|
Chilichimp posted:This guy needs his own thread. I just wrote a post about him on FART: http://www.footballandrationalthoughts.com/2014/11/21/bad-beat-spotlight-omar-kelly-part-1/
|
#
?
Nov 21, 2014 22:30
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 12, 2024 14:37 |
|
|
Cross-posted from the Ray Rice thread: So Deadspin point out something buried in Peter King's column today. Namely, Peter King was directly lied to and manipulated by either the NFL's general counsel, the VP in charge of Labor Relations or by Goodell himself. http://deadspin.com/peter-king-is-a-goddamn-embarrassment-1665259136 Deadspin posted:SI.com's Peter King, the most powerful NFL writer in the business, sees his job as flattering other powerful people so that they'll allow him to uncritically pass on whatever they'd like to have passed on. He's very good at it, as the incredible correction buried a couple of thousand words into his latest column shows. If Peter King was an actual journalist he'd be screaming about this from the rooftops, not burying it in his column.
|
|
#
?
Dec 2, 2014 19:33
|
|
|
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24909466/look-marshawn-lynchs-postgame-interview-was-insulting-as-usualquote:I don't think Marshawn Lynch's act with the media is funny. I don't think his defiance is cute, and simply put, I think he goes out of his way to be unprofessional. 
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 03:33
|
|
|
I agree with the reporter
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 03:39
|
|
|
football fuckerman posted:I agree with the reporter Asking the same lovely "how do you feel?" questions is intellectually lazy and boring as hell. Maybe if they tried being good at their jobs and put some effort into it- opposed to acting like jackyls around a carcass- he'd be more willing to talk to them. 
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 03:41
|
|
|
You think he would? Has he ever shown that?
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 03:42
|
|
|
I don't care what boring players and coaches have to say about anything unless they're cutting promos on Sal Palantonio or Erin Andrews or screaming about crowning asses. When you click on a game recap on NFL.com, the first video they show you is always some dumb coach press conference where a stressed out old person just recites platitudes and the fact that anyone thinks anyone would ever want to watch that is another indictment of the NFL's self-serious bullshit.
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 03:45
|
|
|
Chichevache posted:Asking the same lovely "how do you feel?" questions is intellectually lazy and boring as hell. Maybe if they tried being good at their jobs and put some effort into it- opposed to acting like jackyls around a carcass- he'd be more willing to talk to them. Yes asking him question about the longest run of his career is pretty lazy.
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 03:45
|
|
|
It is sort of dumb to answer every question "yeah" or "nope" but the entitlement reporters show whenever someone doesn't kowtow to them is ridiculous so basically I am saying put me on Team Lynch in this one. I mean what insight do they expect to hear from "tell me about that run." What could he possibly say that impacts what everyone thinks about it?
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 03:45
|
|
|
Ribsauce posted:It is sort of dumb to answer every question "yeah" or "nope" but the entitlement reporters show whenever someone doesn't kowtow to them is ridiculous so basically I am saying put me on Team Lynch in this one. You never saw Bart Scott or Richard Sherman answer questions? I'm pretty sure the Sherman rant started with the basic question "Tell me about that last play." Guys I don't want to be smug and poo poo about being a journalist, but the basic and obvious questions are very valuable for reporters. It's very smart to ask those questions because you just get the person talking about that topic, even if, when written down, the question looks dumb and bland. It's a lot like saying to a musician, "Tell me about the themes on this album." That's a better question than, "It seems like you're dealing with loneliness a lot on this album. Is that a result of having moved across the country in the last 12 months?"
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 03:49
|
|
|
football fuckerman posted:You think he would? Has he ever shown that? He's been willing to talk to guys like Deion or do cool spots like these. So yeah, I think he is totally willing to work with guys who don't just harass him with the same tripe every reporter asks every player. He doesn't like doing those pointless fluff comments that are only asked so the reporter can try to generate some lovely click-bait controversy. Yet when people are willing to do a real interview of him where he is allowed to express himself in something other than a quick sound byte he has proven to be willing, in my opinion. I guess it comes down to who you think isn't doing their job properly, the reporter or the football player? I certainly think Lynch has shown a willingness to open up when approached the right way, but maybe you're right and the media should just keep throwing tantrums until he turns into the man they want him to be. football fuckerman posted:You never saw Bart Scott or Richard Sherman answer questions? I'm pretty sure the Sherman rant started with the basic question "Tell me about that last play." So when you interview a person who doesn't respond to that type of question, do you just keep hammering away at them or do you switch tactics?
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 03:53
|
|
|
football fuckerman posted:You never saw Bart Scott or Richard Sherman answer questions? I'm pretty sure the Sherman rant started with the basic question "Tell me about that last play." I'm pretty sure Sherman was gonna launch that rant regardless of the question asked. I don't think it was Andrews probing questions.
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 03:57
|
|
|
It seems pointless either way, as this seems more like Lynch being a a big ole baby about that fine. It happened, it is dumb, get over it.
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 03:58
|
|
|
Chichevache posted:He's been willing to talk to guys like Deion or do cool spots like these. So yeah, I think he is totally willing to work with guys who don't just harass him with the same tripe every reporter asks every player. He doesn't like doing those pointless fluff comments that are only asked so the reporter can try to generate some lovely click-bait controversy. Yet when people are willing to do a real interview of him where he is allowed to express himself in something other than a quick sound byte he has proven to be willing, in my opinion. I guess it comes down to who you think isn't doing their job properly, the reporter or the football player? I certainly think Lynch has shown a willingness to open up when approached the right way, but maybe you're right and the media should just keep throwing tantrums until he turns into the man they want him to be. quote:So when you interview a person who doesn't respond to that type of question, do you just keep hammering away at them or do you switch tactics? In my musician example, well, I've never dealt with a musician as tight-lipped as Marshawn, but if I ever did, I would stand up and say "I'm not sure there's enough here for a story" and they can gently caress themselves. Not an option for the sports guys I guess.
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 03:59
|
|
|
NC-17 posted:I'm pretty sure Sherman was gonna launch that rant regardless of the question asked. I don't think it was Andrews probing questions. Right, that's kinda what I'm saying, don't make him stand there waiting while you ask some brilliant nuanced question
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 04:00
|
|
|
Belichick is a dick when rolls his eyes and refuses to answer media questions as well. Some people think it's awesome though. Same deal.
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 05:00
|
|
|
Post game interviews are always poo poo, filled with cliche questions and answers. "How's it feel to win" "How's it feel to make a play" "How about this player" then "We had some guys make some key plays, played some good football, feels great to get a win, they are a good football team" etc. Post game locker room interviews are bullshit. The only time they are at all not bullshit is when you get a player like Richard Sherman go nuts like last season. I have no sympathy for the reporters. They are now targeting Lynch in all the postgame stuff because now they know his apathy is a story itself. I wonder if Marshawn knows this and is deliberately loving with all of them to build his own mystique and have fun, in which case good for him that owns. Or if he's actually not realizing that his antics aren't helping him and that if he really wants to get the media off his back he needs to go full Belichick and be as dry as possible.
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 06:10
|
|
|
I don't think that's the only time they're valuable. I don't read them, but the Monday morning stories in every NFL city are pretty valuable for lots of people. The Browns got kinda screwed out of a touchdown by the "gave himself up" call this Sunday, for instance, and there was a whole story about that with quotes from like 4 defensive players about it. If the reporter didn't ask those players about it, how is he/she supposed to write a story? Refs aren't really available to the media.
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 06:14
|
|
|
football fuckerman posted:I don't think that's the only time they're valuable. I don't read them, but the Monday morning stories in every NFL city are pretty valuable for lots of people. The Browns got kinda screwed out of a touchdown by the "gave himself up" call this Sunday, for instance, and there was a whole story about that with quotes from like 4 defensive players about it. If the reporter didn't ask those players about it, how is he/she supposed to write a story? Refs aren't really available to the media. There are plenty of players who want to talk to the media. Go ask them. This dude is clearly bothered by it so why are those reporters so set on harassing him?
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 06:29
|
|
|
It's not harassment, it's part of the job. It's the reality of being a pro athlete. He's a starter and usually has a big role in every Seahawks game. Sorry it's hard for him but it's pretty much necessary
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 06:39
|
|
|
football fuckerman posted:It's not harassment, it's part of the job. It's the reality of being a pro athlete. He's a starter and usually has a big role in every Seahawks game. Sorry it's hard for him but it's pretty much necessary "It's not harassment, it's part of the job." They're repeatedly bothering the dude. That's harassment. You can try and justify it any way you want, but you can't change the definition of the word, man. And I don't quite get why it is necessary to make the man uncomfortable? Why the pressing need for a statement from a man who doesn't want to give one?
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 06:47
|
|
|
We're also talking about football here, which is maybe the least important thing happening on the planet right now. It's a game. Football press is a game. If some guy playing one game doesn't want to play another game, who cares? Reporters need column inches and they get pissy when he makes it hard for them. Everyone is an overpaid narcissist.
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 07:01
|
|
|
Life if meaningless you guys, don't make that deadline.
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 07:41
|
|
|
Harassment is a crime. Requiring someone to answer questions, which he agreed to when he took the job, is not a crime.
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 07:48
|
|
|
Chichevache posted:"It's not harassment, it's part of the job." Ham has a point that being an NFL player comes with certain contract requirements that mean Lynch needs to speak with the media or he is breaking a contract he signed, and he should get fined for it. In certain situations Lynch needs to just suck it up and deal with it better than he is. If Lynch did indeed play his music loud on purpose to prevent the reporters from interviewing teammates, that's going too far. Covering yourself is one thing, interfering with others is another. But you're absolutely right that the reporters are going after him. Look how many stories are getting written about Lynch's press conferences. Reporters know that Lynch is going to provide a sound bite of annoyance and a funny press response that people are going to read about because him trashing the media is hilarious and awesome. There are 52 other players, I'm sure some would love a little spotlight, but everyone is clearly aiming for Lynch as his hatred has just become another angle for reporters to use for stories. If Lynch is aware of this and is just using it to gently caress with the media, he is %100 the best. If he's not, then he's being kind of stupid because there are better ways to get the press off his back. Frankly I think he just has a low bullshit tolerance, and post game interviews are pretty bullshit, so it's fun to watch him gently caress with reporters who could easily talk to any number of other players (Lots of stars on that team) to get a good quote. Febreeze fucked around with this message at 07:58 on Dec 23, 2014 |
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 07:54
|
|
|
People are writing about him in anticipation? Even as far as belligerence goes he isn't very interesting or entertaining.
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 07:56
|
|
|
CharlestheHammer posted:People are writing about him in anticipation? That was poor wording on my part, I meant more "look how many stories get written about each new press conference he has."
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 07:57
|
|
|
Ricky Williams had such crippling social anxiety that he'd wear his football helmet in the locker room in order to get through the post game interviews. He still did them though because it was his job.
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 12:52
|
|
|
Ozu posted:Ricky Williams had such crippling social anxiety that he'd wear his football helmet in the locker room in order to get through the post game interviews. He still did them though because it was his job. How on earth was i beaten by this?! And chiche - just no on what you deem harassment. I mean holy crap. I got in trouble for coming in late 6 times in 3 months. I was warned after 4 times in 2. Time to file that police report I suppose.
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 14:49
|
|
|
I know it's kind of bullshit that NFL players are required by contract to talk to the media, because it's a pretty transparent way of propping up the business side of the NFL and hooking fans any way they can....but it's still a requirement and I don't think the reporters are wrong for expecting Marshawn to do the basic poo poo outlined in his contract. I mean keep in mind some reporter had to ask Tim Couch, after he was injured, "What was your reaction to hearing the crowd cheer on the play where you were injured?" Whereas poor Marshawn has to talk about the time he knocked over defenders and scored a touchdown
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 18:23
|
|
|
gently caress sports media forever basically
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 19:51
|
|
|
The Football Funhouse › Writing & reporting in today's NFL: gently caress sports media forever basically
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 22:45
|
|
|
AAA DOLFAN posted:How on earth was i beaten by this?! I guess I haven't been clear enough in the past when I've mentioned that I really don't give a poo poo about the American justice system's nonsensical opinions. Like sure, it doesn't qualify by the legal definition, but I never argued that Lynch should be getting a restraining order against the media. They are harassing him, like in the colloquial and dictionary senses of the word.
|
|
#
?
Dec 23, 2014 22:56
|
|
|
I don't think athletes "owe" me their thoughts, and the attitude that they do is straight up stupid. Marshawn's contract is for playing football, not giving interviews. He's made it clear that he just doesn't like doing interviews, that it's not personal. Get the gently caress out of his face.
|
|
#
?
Dec 26, 2014 00:42
|
|
|
El Gallinero Gros posted:I don't think athletes "owe" me their thoughts, and the attitude that they do is straight up stupid. Marshawn's contract is for playing football, not giving interviews. He's made it clear that he just doesn't like doing interviews, that it's not personal. Get the gently caress out of his face. they are actually contractually obligated to speak to the media. That is why they can fine him.
|
|
#
?
Dec 26, 2014 00:56
|
|
|
Of all the things that are "straight up stupid" about the collective bargaining agreement, media requirements are hardly in the top 25
|
|
#
?
Dec 26, 2014 01:03
|
|
|
CharlestheHammer posted:they are actually contractually obligated to speak to the media. That is why they can fine him. You remember a couple years ago when I called you a pedant and you didn't know what I was talking about? This is what I was talking about.
|
|
#
?
Dec 26, 2014 01:23
|
|
|
Chichevache posted:You remember a couple years ago when I called you a pedant and you didn't know what I was talking about? This is what I was talking about. Well either I am misunderstanding the point he is trying to make, or he is flat out wrong, pedantry isn't really a factor here.
|
|
#
?
Dec 26, 2014 01:26
|
|
|
CharlestheHammer posted:Well either I am misunderstanding the point he is trying to make, or he is flat out wrong, pedantry isn't really a factor here. It kind of is when his point is that all this contractually obligated stuff is nonsense, that the man's job is to be good at football and he does that well. That the needless over complication of the American workplace is so ridiculous that we no longer have janitors but "custodial technicians", and that every job in the world comes with a million dumb clauses and contracts, even if you're a ditchdigger. Or something like that.
|
|
#
?
Dec 26, 2014 01:32
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 12, 2024 14:37 |
|
|
Is that his point? because he said El Gallinero Gros posted:Marshawn's contract is for playing football, not giving interviews.
|
|
#
?
Dec 26, 2014 01:33
|
|