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30.5 Days posted:Are the differences between Ferguson and Berkeley, which is two miles away, so significant? Anonymous uncovered several Ferguson cops who were klan members. Given the new vid dumps it seems likely that the Berkeley shoot was good, but given police rhetoric and the status of many St. Louis-area cops as literal members of the club whose leader was calling for retaliatory execution of black men, it kind of does sound plausible. http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/12/24/372867144/police-kill-young-man-in-st-louis-area-sparking-new-anger Yeah, I think that the city with a black mayor, majority black council, and majority black police force might actually have some significant differences with Ferguson.
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Vahakyla posted:"Police investigators photographed a gun on the ground in Berkeley." Why would the magazine be removed from the gun, set right to the side if the accused man was raising his weapon intending to fire it? Even if the mag ejected itself after being dropped, they wouldn't end in a position that resembles being placed neatly together. Best case is the officer unloaded it after the incident thereby tampering with evidence at a homicide scene.
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Dec 25, 2014 03:25
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Well they could have ejected it to photograph it on the scene after taking pictures of it in the gun, or the officer took it out to remove a round from the chamber to secure it after the shooting which is not evidence tampering.
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Dec 25, 2014 03:28
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Zeno-25 posted:Why would the magazine be removed from the gun, set right to the side if the accused man was raising his weapon intending to fire it? Even if the mag ejected itself after being dropped, they wouldn't end in a position that resembles being placed neatly together. Best case is the officer unloaded it after the incident thereby tampering with evidence at a homicide scene. That isn't tampering with evidence. What the gently caress are you talking about? Of course they cleared the weapon and then photographed it. What the hell are they supposed to do? I will get down on the police all day for their behavior, but what you are talking about isn't even reasonable or realistic.
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Dec 25, 2014 03:31
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Seriously guys, the police gently caress up and do evil heinous poo poo constantly enough on their own, stop trying to scrutinize every single tiny thing as some coverup.
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Dec 25, 2014 03:34
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Pohl posted:That isn't tampering with evidence. What the gently caress are you talking about? Of course they cleared the weapon and then photographed it. What the hell are they supposed to do? I will get down on the police all day for their behavior, but what you are talking about isn't even reasonable or realistic.
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Dec 25, 2014 03:36
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Rent-A-Cop posted:It is well known that if the police find a bomb and then defuse the bomb they can't use the bomb against you at trial because that's evidence tampering under maritime law. Bomb had a gold fringe ergo therefore
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Dec 25, 2014 03:51
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Zeno-25 posted:Why would the magazine be removed from the gun, set right to the side if the accused man was raising his weapon intending to fire it? Even if the mag ejected itself after being dropped, they wouldn't end in a position that resembles being placed neatly together. Best case is the officer unloaded it after the incident thereby tampering with evidence at a homicide scene. What the gently caress? of course they're going to clear a hot weapon
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/23/daughter-eric-garner-pays-tribute-to-murdered-nypd-officers/quote:The youngest daughter of Eric Garner paid her respects Monday to two police officers who were murdered execution style in the Bedford-Stuyvesant section of Brooklyn over the weekend.
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Dec 25, 2014 06:49
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Vahakyla posted:http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/23/daughter-eric-garner-pays-tribute-to-murdered-nypd-officers/ Good for her, that had to be really difficult. I have to say, I love the articles on Fox that have comments closed. Even they know how rabid and horrible their readers are.
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Yeah, that takes guts to do. She should be drat proud. 
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Yeah.. in the second video posted on page 115 of this thread (the one from almost directly overhead of where the confrontation takes place) you can see that Martin has his arms held up in front of his body, and he actually starts advancing towards the police officer.. like he takes a couple of steps forward before the cop reacts and dives back. So no, there is no way to tell from the videos what (if anything) he is holding in either of his hands, but if nothing else the video seems like an example of a victim to a shooting who did something to escalate the situation and put himself in danger.
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ANIME AKBAR posted:This makes absolutely no sense to me. I could understand if they withheld the videos entirely for the duration of the investigation or even the whole trial (if there is one). But what is the point in posting a partial video with the most critical parts edited out, except for pure propaganda purposes? You can't seriously think it's because the cops don't want us fair citizens to see some icky blood, that's insane. Editing out the actual moment of death in crime videos distributed to the public is fairly common. At some point in the future the unedited version will leak/be released.
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So a local hive of scum and villainy (Waldo, FL) recently disbanded its police department after both the chief and his second in command ended up the subjects of state investigations. Four Waldo officers blew the whistle on their boss for enforcing ticket quotas and other less than legal shenanigans. All I can say is good on Officers Brandon Roberts, Tim Logan, Brian Shoaf and Jeff Pedrick for doing the right thing at the cost of their own jobs. The economy around here is still pretty poo poo so I know that was a tough call.
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Dec 25, 2014 21:59
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Redgrendel2001 posted:Editing out the actual moment of death in crime videos distributed to the public is fairly common. At some point in the future the unedited version will leak/be released. They didn't edit Rice, Garner, or Crawford. They also said the videos would clear up the shooting. Instead by not seeing what happens it makes Antonio look like he is holding a cell phone.
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El Scandelouse posted:They didn't edit Rice, Garner, or Crawford. They also said the videos would clear up the shooting. Instead by not seeing what happens it makes Antonio look like he is holding a cell phone. That depends on what side of the argument you are on going into it. He could have been holding a sniper rifle and you would probably say it was a funny looking broom.
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Holding a broom is much more believable than holding a sniper rifle thats for drat sure.
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Dec 26, 2014 04:25
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I said sweep together! Not sleep together!
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El Scandelouse posted:They didn't edit Rice, Garner, or Crawford. They also said the videos would clear up the shooting. Instead by not seeing what happens it makes Antonio look like he is holding a cell phone. Which, yanno, it is still possible he was.
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Dec 26, 2014 04:44
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Which, yanno, it is still possible he was. Are you serious? Does this look like the reaction you would expect from someone who had a cell phone pulled on them? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkqPix9t0-k
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Dec 26, 2014 05:04
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Dead Reckoning posted:Are you serious? Does this look like the reaction you would expect from someone who had a cell phone pulled on them? Maybe it was a flip phone and the cop was caught way off guard that someone possessed such a relic.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Are you serious? Does this look like the reaction you would expect from someone who had a cell phone pulled on them? Would not be the first time some cop that has had it ingrained into his mind that everyone is looking to kill him freaked out thinking just such a case was happening.
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Dec 26, 2014 05:18
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Cole posted:Maybe it was a flip phone and the cop was caught way off guard that someone possessed such a relic. Oh the old gun shaped flip phone gag... Gets em every time
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Dec 26, 2014 05:19
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Dead Reckoning posted:Are you serious? Does this look like the reaction you would expect from someone who had a cell phone pulled on them? Considering that cops have shot people holding cell phones, wallets, etc. before, yeah, I wouldn't be totally surprised. I don't know if it was a gun or not, but cops have not gotten the benefit of the doubt. I find it really interesting, though, that almost every poster who rushes to the defense of cops is also a GiP/TFR poster. I wonder why that is?
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The Mattybee posted:Considering that cops have shot people holding cell phones, wallets, etc. before, yeah, I wouldn't be totally surprised. Ok, so you don't have the option of body cameras or dash cams in this situation. What would it take to convince you that it was a justified shooting?
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I know I carry an extra pistol around so that I can ride around and plug random black people and make it look like they were asking for it
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Dec 26, 2014 05:26
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The Mattybee posted:Considering that cops have shot people holding cell phones, wallets, etc. before, yeah, I wouldn't be totally surprised. Gun nuts, police, and military have existential fears about "others" and see the world as a life or death kill or be killed battle again the enemy. Your home/city/country could be attacked by "them" at any moment. If not wanting to personally shoot and kill "them" they support others doing it for them, keeping us safe.
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Baronjutter posted:Gun nuts, police, and military have existential fears about "others" and see the world as a life or death kill or be killed battle again the enemy. Your home/city/country could be attacked by "them" at any moment. If not wanting to personally shoot and kill "them" they support others doing it for them, keeping us safe. "No, dnd doesn't generalize at all!"
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Baronjutter posted:Gun nuts, police, and military have existential fears about "others" and see the world as a life or death kill or be killed battle again the enemy. Your home/city/country could be attacked by "them" at any moment. If not wanting to personally shoot and kill "them" they support others doing it for them, keeping us safe. That or maybe some of us have actual experience with people trying to kill us and having to make life or death decisions at a moment's notice.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:So a local hive of scum and villainy (Waldo, FL) recently disbanded its police department after both the chief and his second in command ended up the subjects of state investigations. Four Waldo officers blew the whistle on their boss for enforcing ticket quotas and other less than legal shenanigans. All I can say is good on Officers Brandon Roberts, Tim Logan, Brian Shoaf and Jeff Pedrick for doing the right thing at the cost of their own jobs. The economy around here is still pretty poo poo so I know that was a tough call. The speed limit goes from 55 to 35 in a quarter mile, with the first 35 sign around a tree-filled bend. There is ALWAYS a cop there, popping motorists just trying to get to the Limp Bizkit homecoming concert. It got so bad, a while ago AAA bought a billboard on the 301 saying "HEY MOTORISTS! SLOW DOWN, YOU'RE ABOUT TO ENTER WALDO" Waldo police were pissed but gently caress them.
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They got rid of the speed traps in Starke. Not really relevant I guess, But I travel through enough that it made me happy.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Are you serious? Does this look like the reaction you would expect from someone who had a cell phone pulled on them? Did the reaction of the NYPD Street Crime Unit to Amadou Diallo look like one you would expect from someone who had a wallet pulled on them? Cop responses (and the cop logic used to defend them) aren't worth taking into consideration as evidence. I hope that more people begin to assume murder when police departments evade the use of body and dash cameras.
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SedanChair posted:I hope that more people begin to assume murder when police departments evade the use of body and dash cameras. Not what happened in this case, but suit yourself.
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Dec 26, 2014 08:55
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Not having it in place at this point is evading it. No more excuses.
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The Mattybee posted:I find it really interesting, though, that almost every poster who rushes to the defense of cops is also a GiP/TFR poster. I wonder why that is?
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If you shoot someone after turning your cameras off you should be fired, why the gently caress is there not already a zero tolerance policy for this? Doesn't matter if it was an accident, regular people lose their jobs over less serious accidents all the time.
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SedanChair posted:Not having it in place at this point is evading it. No more excuses. Surely you didn't have to work today. Why are you using this thread as your stress outlet/journal again?
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What's with people who are pro-corruption coming in here and attributing baseless motivations to people who want accountability for overequipped, reactionary murderers anyway?
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fosborb posted:Surely you didn't have to work today. Why are you using this thread as your stress outlet/journal again? ...do you think kids just find homes for Christmas, or what? Dead Reckoning posted:I think it's pretty telling that people who have previous expericene working in government, handle weapons regularly, or both, have very different ideas about lawful use of force and the importance of standardized processes than the uninitiated. The more knowledge of firearms I've gained, the more I see how utterly hosed the use of force policies of all police departments are. We gave everyone striker-fired high-capacity pistols and hey look, now everyone's full of bullets. Well everyone police are terrified of anyway.
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SedanChair posted:...do you think kids just find homes for Christmas, or what? gently caress, I thought you were further along in the institutional process than that. Or at least got every other holiday off. I have family who work Boys Town and in retrospect it's pretty god damned dumb to assume today is easier than other days. Happy holidays. You make the world better.
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