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I hope Ugin ends up playable because he's certainly a very exciting card.
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forbidden lesbian posted:Please tell me more, this is all from before my timeTM Memory Jar, the only card ever to prompt an emergency ban for being too good was also in that block, as well as vintage favorites like Tolarian Academy, Yawgmoth's Will, Time Spiral (along with some other "free" spells like Frantic Search), and I'm probably forgetting a few others because there were a lot. You should read KCW's review of the block for a more complete picture.
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Dec 26, 2014 03:40
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Oh it was in Urza's Block, well that explains everything.
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Dec 26, 2014 03:44
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forbidden lesbian posted:Please tell me more, this is all from before my timeTM One of the mechanics of Urza block was lands that tap for more than one mana. Another mechanic was spells with a CMC of N that untapped N lands. The most broken decks were those that used Tolarian Academy for lots of mana, with Mind over Matter to untap the Academy for more mana, Time Spiral to draw 7 and untap 6 lands (sometimes just the Academy), and Stroke of Genius to draw loads of cards. There was also a high number of cheap artifacts that produced more mana than they cost. There are a lot of jokes about the speed of Standard at the time, but there seriously were decks that would win regularly on turn 3 with a hypothetical chance of a turn 1 win. The mono-red deck was slower than the combo deck, so it played 4 Tolarian Academy in the main to stand a chance of using the Legend Rule against rival Academies. After they banned a bunch of broken cards from Urza block, they did an emergency ban of Memory Jar because it enabled a new deck with Megrim and Dark Ritual that would force the opponent to draw and discard 14 cards, taking 2 damage for each. Combo Winter was one of the occasions that badly damaged Magic, and the only time Hasbro called up all of Magic R&D to the CEO's office to yell at them. Also notable is the existence of a deck that played several thousands Forests, because the mill combo deck couldn't beat it with anything it ran.
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Dec 26, 2014 03:45
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forbidden lesbian posted:Oh it was in Urza's Block, well that explains everything. Urza block owns, long live Urza block. If it's a choice between that and Masques I know what I'm going with every time
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Dec 26, 2014 03:46
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The wheel cards in Urza's (Time Spiral, Memory Jar, Windfall) baffle me. Didn't they already know how broken Timetwister was at that point? e: Chamale posted:Also notable is the existence of a deck that played several thousands Forests, because the mill combo deck couldn't beat it with anything it ran. Irony Be My Shield fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Dec 26, 2014 |
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Dec 26, 2014 03:47
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forbidden lesbian posted:Oh it was in Urza's Block, well that explains everything. And don't worry, he saw plenty of time on banned lists as well. Metalworker is weird in a sense that its powerful because it generates mana. But wait, it need artifacts to do that, so you have to build a deck around it. But wait, those artifacts you show for mana are the same ones you cast!
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Dec 26, 2014 03:50
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Snacksmaniac posted:And don't worry, he saw plenty of time on banned lists as well. It's kinda cool, Metal Worker can only be used in decks where it is broken, there really isn't a middle ground possible.
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Dec 26, 2014 03:57
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I built a Tolarian combo deck to gently caress with once, that deck could win on t1 pretty often in standard and virtually always won by t3 (I think t2 was most common barring hate). Let's all shed a silent tear for Urza's block, last of the great magic experiments.
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Dec 26, 2014 04:00
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Rinkles posted:I hope Ugin ends up playable because he's certainly a very exciting card. Everyone seems to be arguing about whether or not he's playable in Modern, but I think he definitely is/will be played in Standard.
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Dec 26, 2014 04:14
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Keep in mind All is Dust is a card that has seen play in every format except vintage. Ugin only costs one more and does nearly the same thing and more.
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Dec 26, 2014 04:21
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Ugin made a fedora-tipper on the FLGS's Facebook page rage that Mono-U Tron isn't even a "real" (read: Not Tier 1) deck and that Ugin is bad because he costs 8 (and then refused to comment on the fact that Sundering Titan costs 8 as well). What I'm saying is that Ugin owns.
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Dec 26, 2014 04:25
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bhsman posted:Ugin made a fedora-tipper on the FLGS's Facebook page rage that Mono-U Tron isn't even a "real" (read: Not Tier 1) deck and that Ugin is bad because he costs 8 (and then refused to comment on the fact that Sundering Titan costs 8 as well). I'll try him as a fun-of in Tron. He's definitely better than Memnarch and probably better than Platinum Angel/Empyrion. Also, Blue Tron is awesome. It beats so many better decks.
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Dec 26, 2014 04:29
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suicidesteve posted:I'll try him as a fun-of in Tron. He's definitely better than Memnarch and probably better than Platinum Angel/Empyrion. Also, Blue Tron is awesome. It beats so many better decks. Mind giving a write up sometime? I've started to assemble the deck as it's so cheap relative to decks like Pod.
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Dec 26, 2014 04:32
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Do you have a link, that sounds amazing. You netdeckers disgust me; build one yourself. Bet you want a primer to read too
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Dec 26, 2014 04:33
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The wheel cards in Urza's (Time Spiral, Memory Jar, Windfall) baffle me. Didn't they already know how broken Timetwister was at that point? One of my favorite things ever written about anything Magic is Randy Buehler dryly noting that Memory Jar had been printed with the "unfortunate text, 'draw seven cards.'"
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Dec 26, 2014 04:45
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Keep in mind Ugin isn't an artifact, which makes him weaker than many cards like Sundering Titan because he can't be tutored by Treasure Mage or pitched to Thirst for Knowledge. He can still work but that is a point against him.
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Dec 26, 2014 05:30
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The wheel cards in Urza's (Time Spiral, Memory Jar, Windfall) baffle me. Didn't they already know how broken Timetwister was at that point? Reason #2: http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/frank-analysis-is-playing-more-than-60-cards-always-a-bad-idea/
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Dec 26, 2014 05:51
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 So German Ugin's second ability apparently reads "Exile each permanent with converted mana cost X or more that's one or more colors." Pretty worth it, yo. 
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Dec 26, 2014 06:05
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Wizards, please never change
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:Memory Jar, the only card ever to prompt an emergency ban for being too good was also in that block Whoops broke phasing whoops broke the untap phase forgot about a niche rule that I guess never came up!
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Dec 26, 2014 06:16
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What happened with Sands of Time?
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Dec 26, 2014 06:28
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Chamale posted:Keep in mind Ugin isn't an artifact, which makes him weaker than many cards like Sundering Titan because he can't be tutored by Treasure Mage or pitched to Thirst for Knowledge. He can still work but that is a point against him. True, and as a result something like Sundering Titan or Oblivion Stone is better as a wipe effect, but I think it's worth considering.
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Dec 26, 2014 06:30
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vOv posted:What happened with Sands of Time? I'm guessing this ruling 8/1/2008 Skipping the untap step means that phased out cards won't phase in, and permanents with phasing won't phase out.
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Dec 26, 2014 06:31
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Rinkles posted:I hope Ugin ends up playable because he's certainly a very exciting card.
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Dec 26, 2014 06:37
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Babylon Astronaut posted:I'm hoping he doesn't go for 30 bucks for no loving reason. He probably will at release, but will drop off much like Apex Predator has.
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Dec 26, 2014 06:40
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Spiderdrake posted:Memory Jar is nowhere near as funny as what happened with Sands of Time. And that's not as funny as the...creative way people interpreted Wall of Roots at one point.
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Dec 26, 2014 07:32
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Which card was it that accidentally went infinite with one of the Time Vault errata? Flame Fusillade?
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Dec 26, 2014 07:57
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Regarding Ugin's second ability, I wonder if we'll see more cards with colored mana in their costs but rules text making them colorless, a la Ghostfire. Would make sense with the way that ability is worded.
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Dec 26, 2014 08:43
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C-Euro posted:Regarding Ugin's second ability, I wonder if we'll see more cards with colored mana in their costs but rules text making them colorless, a la Ghostfire. Would make sense with the way that ability is worded. If there are, they're likely to be less than par and probably only come in a handful. Just those cards that exist for limited and flavor reasons, but can't even make up an archetype.
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Dec 26, 2014 08:57
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Rinkles posted:And he devours token and heroic decks. (E:b) If you're able to cast Ugin against a heroic deck then there's like a 90% chance you have won anyway.
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Dec 26, 2014 09:35
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Elyv posted:And that's not as funny as the...creative way people interpreted Wall of Roots at one point. Got more details on that? Reminds me of that Floral Spuzzem joke that is going around, with Floral Spuzzem choosing to do things.
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Dec 26, 2014 10:09
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Attorney at Funk posted:Which card was it that accidentally went infinite with one of the Time Vault errata? Flame Fusillade? That's the one. Chronatog was a 1-card version of that during playtesting, since it's ability "0: Chronatog gets +3/+3 until end of turn. You skip your next turn" lacked the stipulation that it could only be used once per turn. Time Vault has an interesting history of going through power-level erratas before Wizards decided they should simply allow it to be one of the most powerful spells in existence.
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Dec 26, 2014 10:56
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Serperoth posted:Got more details on that? There used to be a way to get priority between turns. This then let you use Wall of Roots as much as you liked, since "once per turn" doesn't work if there's no turn at all. You went off with Magma Mine. e: I should mention this was before 6th rules, so no state based effects at priority to kill the 0 toughness Wall straight away.
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Serperoth posted:Got more details on that? Also known as Wall of Boom. http://www.recoculous.com/2012/03/30/the-three-best-combos-that-no-longer-work/ Beaten, but this link has a bit more information as to the reasoning and the requirement for having Stasis or similar (which I actually didn't know about).
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mehall posted:There used to be a way to get priority between turns. This then let you use Wall of Roots as much as you liked, since "once per turn" doesn't work if there's no turn at all. You went off with Magma Mine. JerryLee posted:Also known as Wall of Boom. quote:The Wall of Boom combo used to work because there was a moment between turns (because of weird rules made for Time Vault). A judge ruled that players could use Wall of Roots between turns because nothing could stop you from using a mana source, and that you could use Wall of Roots an unlimited number of times because it wasn’t a turn, and that Wall of Roots wouldn’t immediately die from the minus counters because mana sources are too fast. (You can use the mana source over and over before the rules check to see if the wall dies.)  Old Magic stuff is hilarious, thanks for the explanation guys. 
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Reason I remembered it off the top of my head, is that I have a copy of Inquest Gamer from April 98, the month the interaction was errata'd out. Amusingly enough, they also decided to add "base" in front of P/T setting abilities in animation cards. Say, for example, Enaoul Artifact. Only took them 16 years to actually put it on cards :P http://i.imgur.com/26jm3Lp.jpg
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Dec 26, 2014 12:06
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I would like to check before I start shelling out, if I want to buy a constructed deck on MTGO, I just want to buy tickets at the best price possible, the get the best prices I can from bots? And if I want to traee stuff in my existing collection I just sell to bots? Who's best for tickets right now? And am I right in thinking that so long as I trade stuff away a while before it rotates out, I should get much of the value back?
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Dec 26, 2014 12:40
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BizarroAzrael posted:And am I right in thinking that so long as I trade stuff away a while before it rotates out, I should get much of the value back? I think standard playables generally only start to dip in the middle of the summer before they rotate out. Usually that's the best time to get rid of anything you aren't using and get more current block stuff. Stuff that I would hold onto from Theros block would probably include Coursers, Caryatids, and... that's it really.
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Count Bleck posted:I think standard playables generally only start to dip in the middle of the summer before they rotate out. Jeskai Ascendancy and Dig Through Time? Not that they're bank-breakers now. Elspeth might retain a certain amount but will descend for sure. Think the plan will be to liquidate in the summer and stop playing until the new set is out.
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