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If this world is imaginary I'm very disappointed in myself. The Holocaust was quite a low point, even for my lax standards.
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Dec 6, 2014 14:34
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I wonder how hard it would be to convince Freemen types that their magic legalese involves straight up magic words? Like say, you cannot be sued for non-payment of taxes if you invoke the protection of YALADBAOTH instead if entering a plea? Maybe use some  about Masonry? Perhaps -666th degree anti-Masonry.E: or that other Freemen types are frauds because it is actually "Fremen on the Land." Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Dec 6, 2014 |
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Dec 6, 2014 14:49
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Hodgepodge posted:I wonder how hard it would be to convince Freemen types that their magic legalese involves straight up magic words?  "Tubal Cain"
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Dec 6, 2014 14:53
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I love freeman because they've sort of got the right idea in that there are magic words that can make your legal problems disappear, but they're generally "I am very, very rich" You also need the magicka to back up such a statement so you need your bank balance of proving and your +3 Lawyer of Defense.
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Dec 6, 2014 15:42
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Ron Jeremy posted:Oh you think there's a moon? 
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Dec 6, 2014 16:42
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Hodgepodge posted:
... and if anybody tries to arrest you simply tell them that you are a Fremen of the Land and that the Spice MUST Flow, and they'll be powerless.
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Dec 6, 2014 17:05
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The trick is to talk about Illuminati overstanding. Lesser men seek to understand something, placing themselves below the truth. The Illuminated ones are able to create truth through sympathetic magics. Using the right words, you too can overstand the legal system the same way the Illuminati does!
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Dec 6, 2014 19:57
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Deptfordx posted:... and if anybody tries to arrest you simply tell them that you are a Fremen of the Land and that the Spice MUST Flow, and they'll be powerless. The state is the mind-killer. The state is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face the state. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the state has gone there will be nothing
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Dec 6, 2014 21:24
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A friend linked me to an article on fermented sea cucumber, but that's not the main attraction. Scroll down through the comments to "paul pawlowski"quote:Binary Microbiological Ethnic Weapons I kind of get the vibe that he's performing a summoning ritual of some sort.
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Dec 14, 2014 03:58
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Was reading on Wiki and ,uh ,wow, these people sound like proto-freemen/sovreign citizens. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brink%27s_robbery_%281981%29 quote:..." Throughout the trial, they repeatedly disrupted the proceedings by shouting anti-US slogans, proclaiming to be "at war" with the government and refusing to respect any aspect of the US legal system. They called the robbery an "expropriation" of funds that were needed to form a new country in a few select southern states...
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Dec 14, 2014 04:39
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Apparently I missed this impressive trolling attempt. I'd still like to belatedly congratulate the author.
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Dec 23, 2014 21:23
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Nckdictator posted:Was reading on Wiki and ,uh ,wow, these people sound like proto-freemen/sovreign citizens. A few of them are still around and are still crazy as hell.
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Dec 23, 2014 21:34
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Shbobdb posted:What's with the whole "two original moons" thing where one destroyed Lumeria (sp?) and Atlantis. Also, how big is the Thule society? I've noticed a lot of rightwing and deeply racist views crop up in CT circles, is my sample selection just off or do you think CTs and racism are related? anti-semitism and conspiracy theories are often deeply entwined, this much I know. Often it's couched in cute dog whistle terms like "international bankers", but it's clearly the jews who team up with the illuminati to put flouride in your chemtrails!
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Dec 26, 2014 15:28
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Are there any books or papers that anyone might be able to suggest on the topic of antisemitism in conspiracy theorist groups? I'd be interested in reading more about the subject.
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Dec 26, 2014 17:02
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The categorical thinking typical of conspiracy theories demands that everybody is some essential thing or that groups act with one mind and will. There's "the government," "the mainstream media," "scientists," "the UN," "big pharma," and "the Jews" EDIT: I guess it's kind of a development that follows from the manichean worldview of most CT types who see everything in terms of a battle between themselves and some evil other out to get them or so complicated evil for whatever reason. I AM GRANDO fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Dec 26, 2014 |
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Dec 26, 2014 17:03
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Do conspiracy theorists ever try to claim that anti-semetism in conspiracy theories is actually planted there by the Jews to make themselves look persecuted?
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Dec 26, 2014 17:06
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I think I may have once read somewhere from a conspiracy theorist that it had something to do with disinfo agents. But I couldn't find a source so that might not be true. A lot of the time I believe the argument is just reframed to "It's not antisemitism, it's antizionism!". Ugh.
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Dec 26, 2014 17:24
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Dravinski posted:Are there any books or papers that anyone might be able to suggest on the topic of antisemitism in conspiracy theorist groups? I'd be interested in reading more about the subject. A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Do conspiracy theorists ever try to claim that anti-semetism in conspiracy theories is actually planted there by the Jews to make themselves look persecuted?
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Dec 26, 2014 19:10
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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:This is a position that you see every so often in the Reddit conspiracy community. Stormfront poo poo has been creeping in there for a while now, and there's more and more holocaust denial and outright antisemitism in the comments, so this has provoked fights between the relative few who think that the recent trend toward Hitler-did-nothing-wrong-ism is an organized attempt to discredit the mighty /r/conspiracy and the much larger proportion of people who think that the first group are all paid shills for the JIDF. It's been kind of sobering how quickly antisemitism has become pervasive. I may be wrong, but I don't think it was as popular back in the day, say pre-2004 or so. As I understand it, stormfront made a concerted effort to recruit on 4chan and it worked spectacularly well, metastasizing from there to reddit and everywhere else.
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Dec 26, 2014 19:18
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Sharkie posted:It's been kind of sobering how quickly antisemitism has become pervasive. I may be wrong, but I don't think it was as popular back in the day, say pre-2004 or so. As I understand it, stormfront made a concerted effort to recruit on 4chan and it worked spectacularly well, metastasizing from there to reddit and everywhere else.
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Dec 26, 2014 19:25
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Sharkie posted:It's been kind of sobering how quickly antisemitism has become pervasive. I may be wrong, but I don't think it was as popular back in the day, say pre-2004 or so. As I understand it, stormfront made a concerted effort to recruit on 4chan and it worked spectacularly well, metastasizing from there to reddit and everywhere else. 2004 the start of antisemitism.
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Dec 26, 2014 19:34
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When I was in school in the 90's, Jew was a pretty popular verb, so I can't say I noticed much of a lull.
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Dec 26, 2014 19:35
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Do conspiracy theorists ever try to claim that anti-semetism in conspiracy theories is actually planted there by the Jews to make themselves look persecuted? I've known plenty of CTs who think that the Holocaust was a Jewish plot. Not that it didn't happen (though they do think certain exaggerations were made) but (like Masons) there are two groups of Jews. There is your normal, everyday Jew who may be a fine person. Then there is your evil mastermind Jew who controls the world as described in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The latter created the Holocaust, killing many of the former so they could found Israel. This is part of their Satanic plot.
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Dec 26, 2014 19:35
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Sharkie posted:It's been kind of sobering how quickly antisemitism has become pervasive. I may be wrong, but I don't think it was as popular back in the day, say pre-2004 or so. As I understand it, stormfront made a concerted effort to recruit on 4chan and it worked spectacularly well, metastasizing from there to reddit and everywhere else. Post-/pol/ antisemitism is a weird one, though, and I don't really know what to make of it. I wonder where the crossing-over point is between "kill the jews lol jk" and "kill the jews lol jk... but seriously, jews are terrible"
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Dec 26, 2014 19:37
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Do conspiracy theorists ever try to claim that anti-semetism in conspiracy theories is actually planted there by the Jews to make themselves look persecuted? All the time. Some Holocaust deniers believe the Jews actively funded the Nazis from the beginning. Holocaust remembrance is literally "the new world religion" and a cadre of Jewish elites killed all their families off to create Israel. Also that Protocols of the Elders of Zion is some crazy triple-agent poo poo where said Jews successfully planted evidence of it being a hoax. E:f;b
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Dec 26, 2014 19:38
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Yeah, practically nobody had a problem with the Jews prior to 2004. Sigh, okay DnD. To be more clear, I meant "as popular in 'internet culture' and 'conspiracy culture'." The average nerdy young guy is probably far more likely to be exposed to antisemitic propaganda nowdays than they were a decade ago.
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Dec 26, 2014 19:39
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Sharkie posted:It's been kind of sobering how quickly antisemitism has become pervasive. I may be wrong, but I don't think it was as popular back in the day, say pre-2004 or so. As I understand it, stormfront made a concerted effort to recruit on 4chan and it worked spectacularly well, metastasizing from there to reddit and everywhere else. Endless September 1934.
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Dec 26, 2014 19:39
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babies havin rabies posted:Also that Protocols of the Elders of Zion is some crazy triple-agent poo poo where said Jews successfully planted evidence of it being a hoax.
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Dec 26, 2014 19:52
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Sharkie posted:It's been kind of sobering how quickly antisemitism has become pervasive. I may be wrong, but I don't think it was as popular back in the day, say pre-2004 or so. As I understand it, stormfront made a concerted effort to recruit on 4chan and it worked spectacularly well, metastasizing from there to reddit and everywhere else. There was literally a Law & Order episode from like 1997 about an anti-Jewish gang so no it's been around for a while. I personally don't notice it because there aren't many Jews here, but I imagine it's more of a thing on the East coast.
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Dec 26, 2014 19:59
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OwlFancier posted:When I was in school in the 90's, Jew was a pretty popular verb, so I can't say I noticed much of a lull. Unrelated to that: why do people hate the idea of one world government so much? Or is it that they hate the idea of these specific groups leading said govt?
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Dec 26, 2014 22:50
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site posted:Or is it that they hate the idea of these specific groups leading said govt? Probably because it's never THEIR specific group leading the government.
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Dec 26, 2014 23:00
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site posted:Yeah, I remember back in jr high/high school (in Alaska, if that makes any difference) back in the late 90s/early 00s calling someone a Jew as a derogatory or saying that someone is acting Jewish was pretty common. Thinking about it, it was a weird phenomenon in that I had never encountered that usage before I got to those schools, and by my senior year it had more-or-less disappeared all on its own (ie there was no activist movement to stop it, nor any sort of complaints of people being offended by it, etc). I've always thought it was a South Park thing. I don't really recall hearing much open antisemitism before that god awful show became popular.
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Dec 27, 2014 00:43
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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:I think Barkun talks about it a bit in A Culture of Conspiracy, and it's a recurring theme in Jon Ronson's Them!. In a non-Western context, Viren Swami has also published an interesting study of a particular case of antisemitic conspiracism in Malaysia, which is interesting as there are pretty much no Jews in Malaysia - Swami's thesis is essentially that in Malaysia, Jews are a "safe" outgroup to accuse of conspiring, so anti-Jewish prejudice can be used as a mask for the much more relevant - and much less socially acceptable - anti-Chinese prejudice. http://journal.frontiersin.org/Journal/10.3389/fpsyg.2012.00280/abstract Thanks, I think I'll pick up Michael Barkun's book it looks really interesting. I wonder to what extent conspiracy theorists in the West are exposed to Jewish communities, from my personal experience (which is the greatest example obviously) hate comes from ignorance. I wasn't even aware there was anti-Chinese rhetoric in Malaysia. Again, thanks for the links.
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Dec 27, 2014 02:17
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TheSpookyDanger posted:I've always thought it was a South Park thing. I don't really recall hearing much open antisemitism before that god awful show became popular. Yeah, I went to high school in the late 90s and thought that South Park's anti-semitism was intentionally archaic or otherwise part of the joke. I've read at least one article in an early childhood education journal blaming the show for an increasing amount of anti-semetic slurs among grade-school kids in the early 2000s.
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Dec 27, 2014 02:58
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It's cool, because in Malaysia your religion is listed on your ID. "Confucian" is the term for "Chinese" and it ain't cool to be Confucian.
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Dec 27, 2014 03:07
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Jack Gladney posted:I've read at least one article in an early childhood education journal blaming the show for an increasing amount of anti-semetic slurs among grade-school kids in the early 2000s. And yeah, the discovery and rapid increase in popularity of the show and the usage of antisemitic language track pretty well for my peer group. Dunno why it dropped off so suddenly though. Having never really watched it (no cable as a kid) was there a point in the show's run where the SP guys stopped using the term as much?
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Dec 27, 2014 03:48
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Sharkie posted:Sigh, okay DnD. To be more clear, I meant "as popular in 'internet culture' and 'conspiracy culture'." The average nerdy young guy is probably far more likely to be exposed to antisemitic propaganda nowdays than they were a decade ago. If that's even the case, which I'm not convinced that it is, then it's only because Internet usage is more prevalent now than it was a decade ago. But really, antisemitic conspiracies are as old as antisemitism. Antisemitism is the foundation of many conspiracies, and has been for a very long time.
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Dec 27, 2014 04:31
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point of return posted:So what do the conspiracy theories popular among Jewish communities use instead? Seems to be Muslims if we look at Israelis.
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