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Buu is a better tactician than Gohan and the guy doesn't exactly have a history of ending fights as quickly as he could or should. Goku made the right call keeping him far the hell away from Buu.
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CharlestheHammer posted:He was getting his rear end kicked by Gobuu, until the fusion wore off. Every video game since Budokai Tenkaichi has used Ultimate Gohan and before that he wasit was just called Old Kai's Unlock Ability in the Budokai series. IIRC Mystic has only been used on a couple American toys and in a Funimation DVD booklet.
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Horrible Taste posted:Every video game since Budokai Tenkaichi has used Ultimate Gohan and before that he wasit was just called Old Kai's Unlock Ability in the Budokai series. IIRC Mystic has only been used on a couple American toys and in a Funimation DVD booklet. It's an old fandom term that's been used since forever, like, Ultra Super Saiyan or you know, how the term Super Saiyan 2 was coined.
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Dec 28, 2014 04:07
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It seems like Ultra should always be better then Super but it never plays out that way.
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WickedHate posted:It seems like Ultra should always be better then Super but it never plays out that way. I think I've seen Ascended Super Saiyan referred to as Ultra Super Saiyan Grade 3 or something like that before.
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Dec 28, 2014 04:16
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Hobo Siege posted:Buu is a better tactician than Gohan and the guy doesn't exactly have a history of ending fights as quickly as he could or should. Goku made the right call keeping him far the hell away from Buu. Yeah, Gohan hosed up big time against Perfect Cell - he could have easily ended the fight at any time after achieving SS2. Thanks to his hubris, Goku and Trunks died, Cell got a massive power up, and Gohan got his arm hosed up. Gohan doesn't exactly handle Ultimate Power very well. Oddly enough, the most pragmatic guy in the series was trained by (an alternate timeline version of) him - Future Trunks. Had Future Trunks received the Mystic power up, he probably would have defeated Buu within 5 minutes. For all we know that's how it actually got resolved in his timeline.
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Trunks didn't die, did he? I thought he was just in critical condition the whole time.Zonekeeper posted:Had Future Trunks received the Mystic power up, he probably would have defeated Buu within 5 minutes. For all we know that's how it actually got resolved in his timeline. I doubt it'd even take him five.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Trunks didn't die, did he? I thought he was just in critical condition the whole time. Nah, he died. I think in the dub they maintained a "he's just barely hanging in there!" deception but once they get to Kami's Lookout, he is revived with the dragonballs. Which means Cell killed Trunks twice.
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Dec 28, 2014 04:57
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To be fair, Gohan usually is very practicle, but he got overwhelmed by the sadism and bloodlust transforming into SSJ2 for the first time was causing him, which was further spurred by his desire for revenge for Cell who had just killed 16 and had his Cell Jrs. gently caress up all his friends.
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yeah mystic is entirely an invention of the western fandom the closest thing that form ever got to a name was a guide just calling it "Saikyou no Senshi" which is why it's always Ultimate in games
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Dec 28, 2014 05:08
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Can we at least agree that Gohan is not as much of a dick as Gotenks, who had two whole family lines (and the entire Earth) murdered by Buu both before and during their fight and was still dicking around and treating things like a joke?
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Can we at least agree that Gohan is not as much of a dick as Gotenks, who had two whole family lines (and the entire Earth) murdered by Buu both before and during their fight and was still dicking around and treating things like a joke? Wasn't he only loving around before he knew Buu killed his mom(s)? I remember him getting super pissed and wrecking Buu after finding that out.
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Neo_Crimson posted:Wasn't he only loving around before he knew Buu killed his mom(s)? I remember him getting super pissed and wrecking Buu after finding that out. No. He still had time to steal Tien's volleyball move.
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I finally got round to watching Battle of Gods after getting the blu-ray for Christmas. Gotta agree with everyone that the writing was pretty fantastic and it was a nice return to having the fights be more about martial arts then energy blasts.
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Testekill posted:I finally got round to watching Battle of Gods after getting the blu-ray for Christmas. Gotta agree with everyone that the writing was pretty fantastic and it was a nice return to having the fights be more about martial arts then energy blasts. It's gonna suck when Toriyama gets tired of writing the movies and we have to go back to Toei's bland-rear end poo poo
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Covok posted:Gohan turning Super Sayian might be a case of either Old Kai's magic wearing off, him attempting to get stronger despite the futility of it all, or the writers/animations forgetting super sayian Gohan doesn't work canonically. In reference to to the latter, remember, an entire character vanished simply because Toriyama forgot she existed. Which character was that?
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my cat is norris posted:Which character was that? Launch, from the original series.
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Flytrap posted:Launch, from the original series. Who?
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I prefer Lunch
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Flytrap posted:Launch, from the original series. That poor girl. I've always known her as "Lunch", too.
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Genocyber posted:He's stronger because he trains. Gohan's not a fighter, so despite his innate superior ability he ends up worse overall due to not training. He should of taken some "with great power comes great responsibility" lessons from Spider-Man
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my cat is norris posted:Which character was that? The girl who turned into a psychopathic blonde when she sneezed. 
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I think the default response for anything dragonball related should be 'Toriyama forgot' If he can forget about Vegito, all bets are off with him.
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Parrotine posted:I think the default response for anything dragonball related should be 'Toriyama forgot' Where did he forget about Vegito?
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Spiritus Nox posted:Where did he forget about Vegito? I dunno if this is a joke or not.
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So DBM and BoG pretty much revived my interest in this silly franchise and reminded me why I love it so much. I've started rewatching the original Dragon Ball from the beginning as a result (And eventually will move onto Kai which I've never seen before, and then GT despite what people have warned me about). One thing I find different now as a young adult is that I find myself actually wanting Jackie Chun to win the first World Martial Arts Tournament. His fear about Goku and Krillin losing interesting in fighting if they win now actually seems kind of prescient considering the galactic threats such as Raditz that would utterly destroy the planet in just a decade or two. Toriyama is infamous for making things up as he goes along, but thankfully it all kind of works.
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Mordaedil posted:I dunno if this is a joke or not. It's just a fan comic, but, if you think about it, it could happen. Vegitio showed up for like 3 issues in a 40 volume manga he started writing 31 years ago and, honestly, didn't really do anything lasting in the overall plot. Sure, he's a fan favorite, but Akira Toriyama isn't, presumably, a fanboy.
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Lunch is cool because her reaction to not getting front-row places for a martial arts tournament is unloading a machine gun into a crowd.
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Raxivace posted:So DBM and BoG pretty much revived my interest in this silly franchise and reminded me why I love it so much. I've started rewatching the original Dragon Ball from the beginning as a result (And eventually will move onto Kai which I've never seen before, and then GT despite what people have warned me about). Are you familiar with the works of Team Four Star?
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Some Numbers posted:Are you familiar with the works of Team Four Star? Oh I watch DBZ Abridged too, but it isn't quite the same thing.
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Raxivace posted:One thing I find different now as a young adult is that I find myself actually wanting Jackie Chun to win the first World Martial Arts Tournament. His fear about Goku and Krillin losing interesting in fighting if they win now actually seems kind of prescient considering the galactic threats such as Raditz that would utterly destroy the planet in just a decade or two. Toriyama is infamous for making things up as he goes along, but thankfully it all kind of works.
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Firstborn posted:http://www.kanzenshuu.com/animation-styles/ My personal favorite is Ebisawa, but I am so not a fan of Uchiyama. I remember even hating that style as a kid. Also, I was hypedfor that new movie with Freeza the second I saw Roshi fighting in that trailer. Anything that has the non-Saiyan characters fighting and being relevant again gets my interest.
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I wonder if Roshi's been sneaking in some training, because he should be way weaker than those guys. But, yeah, seeing him do stuff again is cool.
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He probably just helps to hold off the Planet Trade Organization soliders. We're shown throughout the series that the unnamed fodder soliders were usually pretty weak. Even by Yamcha standards. EDIT: Does anyone know if Xenoverse is going to invalidate DB Online or does it serve as a prequel? Online takes place in Age 1000 while Xenoverse takes place in Age 850, but I don't recall Online ever claiming that the Time Breakers are a recurring enemy. Esroc fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Dec 29, 2014 |
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Even if they're weak, I can't wait to see Roshi fight again. Between this movie and that new Xenoverse game, I feel like I'm 12 again. Definitely gonna watch some of the old eps while I'm on vacation.
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drat it, I'm watching Goku's fight with Piccolo Jr and it's sooooo goooooood. I almost forgot how smug Piccolo is in this arc, especially when he gets Kami in that bottle using the reverse mafuba and taunts Goku with it. Goku: Hey, give me that bottle. Piccolo: You man THIS bottle? *holds it n Goku's face* Goku: Yeah. Piccolo: *swallows it* Well try gettin it now motherfucker hahahaha Also reminds me how Piccolo got some interesting characterization all through the fight. Despite being Piccolo Sr.'s son, he actually follows the rules of the tournament all the way through the end, doesn't kill anyone, and enjoys fighting Goku. It's not surprising that it all works out after Goku gives him that senzu bean at the end, he seems less vicious than his "dad", like somehow being spit up meant he also had less evil in him. He ends up being a parallel to Kami up until they fuse back and his character arc is more or less done. I almost wanted to see more of their rivalry, it's too bad Goku keeps dumping and upgrading his rivals every time a new one comes along. From Tien --> Piccolo --> Vegeta --> Buu/Uub(?), though It makes sense each time (he beats Tien, Piccolo kills Goku and technically gets what he wanted, etc.).
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yoyomama posted:I almost wanted to see more of their rivalry, it's too bad Goku keeps dumping and upgrading his rivals every time a new one comes along. From Tien --> Piccolo --> Vegeta --> Buu/Uub(?), though It makes sense each time (he beats Tien, Piccolo kills Goku and technically gets what he wanted, etc.).  It's just the way it's supposed to go.
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So, by this logic, the new DBZ movie ends with Goku and Frieza just deciding to go watch a sports game after beating the crap out of each other for a few hours? ...You know, if that happened I wouldn't even be mad. That'd be fantastic.
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WickedHate posted:
I know, but a lot of manga only have one rival/frienemy, and then main villains. Goku keeps getting new rivals like he's trying new flavors of ice cream Hobgoblin2099 posted:So, by this logic, the new DBZ movie ends with Goku and Frieza just deciding to go watch a sports game after beating the crap out of each other for a few hours? I also would not mind this. Toriyama did say this movie was going to be really funny, you never know.
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