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Poroshenko has been busy today. He signed the law to remove Ukraine's non-aligned status and declared if fighting resumes he will impose martial law. https://twitter.com/euromaidan/status/549557261878951936 He also stated that Moscow has agreed to January 15 being a possible date for the Norman Format. quote:President of Ukraine Poroshenko said at a press conference on 15 January in Astana to take part in the meeting of the leaders of Germany, France, Russia and Ukraine. Moscow confirmed that on 15 January is one of the possible dates for the meeting in the "Norman format" on the situation in the Donbas
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waitwhatno posted:Bold statement. Huh, are you one of the "Systempresse!" guys or one of the Ulfkotte supporters? We still have a pluralistic media landscape in Germany even though mistakes were made after the downing of MH17. Check Misha Anouks Analysis on http://indub.io/blog/2014/11/03/systempresse/ or Niggemeier's piece on Krautreporter https://krautreporter.de/46--die-wahrheit-uber-die-lugen-der-journalisten (sorry, both in German)
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Dec 29, 2014 14:45
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Mightypeon's posts are always interesting to read. He 'lies by omission' to an extent, and the emotional outbursts that his rhetorical approach seems to provoke are probably being intentionally elicited in order to make his arguments seem more valid by virtue of being comparatively even-toned. What does mightypeon really think? I'm not 100% sure. That makes me suspicious of his arguments, but there's a certain informative value to them, to an extent.
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Dec 29, 2014 15:41
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OddObserver posted:Always looking for two sides of an issue is just a convenient lazy way out for people who don't care about the truth (extremely common in US media, BTW). What? How can reading different opinions be considered lazy? Nobody is forcing you to embrace these different opinions and of course you are an idiot if you do so blindly. For example, one thing I have learned from listening to the Russian perspective is that Ukraine is not an independent actor. This is a goal, something to strive for but not reality right now. Future European policy should slowly work toward making it more independent in terms of economy, military and energy. But right now it's co-ruled from Moscow. If you live in a horrible abusive relationship you gotta plan your escape carefully, trying to make a stand during a drunken rage fit only gets you killed. (Not that Europe has any plans to help Ukraine out) The Russian reaction was supposedly predictable, if someone bothered to listen to Kremlins crazy ramblings. Not to me though, or most other people in Europe because we thought that Ukraine is a independent country and can do whatever it wants. A narrative that persists to this day.
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"Reading" different opinions isn't lazy. But "news" reporting them is. There is no public service in "reporting" cynical, bigoted propaganda of a irredentist state. And good to see you reveal you managed to pick up Russian contempt of the Ukrainian people, and apparently now think that Ukrainians don't have a fundamental right to decide their own destiny.
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Dec 29, 2014 15:56
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OddObserver posted:"Reading" different opinions isn't lazy. But "news" reporting them is. There is no public service in "reporting" cynical, bigoted Dude, come on. Your second paragraph just proved his point. 
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Dec 29, 2014 16:16
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Disco Infiva posted:Dude, come on. Your second paragraph just proved his point. If his point is that understanding Russian bigotry will help predict their actions than I apologize, as it's certainly true, but to me it sounds an awful lot like he feels it ought to be appeased, which means denying Ukrainians rights to chose their own path, merely because a previous president was a puppet.
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Dec 29, 2014 16:22
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OddObserver posted:"Reading" different opinions isn't lazy. But "news" reporting them is. There is no public service in "reporting" cynical, bigoted Who decides what is mindless hate mongering and what is an insight into another world view? I don't agree with mightypeon most of the time but he has never expressed any hate towards anyone AFAIK. About Ukrainians, of course they do. But there is a nice German saying: Being right and getting justice are to different things. No matter how unjust it is, but right now Russia decides Ukrains fate. Because no one else is willing to do anything about it, because of decades of Soviet economic integration, because it's just what it is. It doesn't have to stay that way though, and hopefully won't.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Poroshenko has been busy today. He signed the law to remove Ukraine's non-aligned status and declared if fighting resumes he will impose martial law. I might've missed something, what's the Norman Format? Also, what are the practical implications of imposing martial law, and what constitutes resuming fighting considering quite a lot of fighting has continued regardless? I had wondered about those landmines. When you mine an area it also denies it to your own army, so it's not too smart to do a lot of mining if you're planning a big, general offensive, and leaving mine fields at your back creates other problems. Could that be a sign that the separatists are settling for keeping the territory they have? With the deaths of those Russian marines and the general competence of separatist leadership I wouldn't be too surprised if they set a bunch of mines and then blundered into them in their next attack.
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Normandy format. Ukraine, Russia, Germany and France.
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waitwhatno posted:Words MP has been saying the same apologist bullshit for months, there's a reason his word vomit is ignored. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut on occasion, but that doesn't make wading through its poo poo worth it.
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Russia has apparently decided that the most effective way of dealing with potential January 15th protests on Navalny brothers' sentencing on that day (better than having social networks block mentions of them) would be to... have the verdict delivered tomorrow instead. http://www.wsj.com/articles/russian-court-brings-forward-navalny-fraud-verdict-1419866430
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Dec 29, 2014 16:55
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Because when hastily taken decisions did ever go wrong.
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Regardless of whether he is or not, I vastly prefer to think of Mightypeon to be a Kremlin propaganda agent, simply because I want to live in a universe where someone has to write a classified intelligence report to their boss using our forum names. "The 'Teddybear' is skeptical of my intentions, and 'SMERSH Mouth' enjoys my posts, although he is imploring me to eat the eggs."
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Dec 29, 2014 17:12
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OddObserver posted:Russia has apparently decided that the most effective way of dealing with potential January 15th protests on Navalny brothers' sentencing on that day This should get interesting. And a link not behind a paywall. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-29/russia-brings-forward-verdict-in-case-of-putin-opponent-navalny.html If you're writing a news article about it, how is it a secret trial? According to this report, people who protested against Annexation of Crimea will be facing criminal charges in a secret court trial. http://www.khpg.org/en/index.php?id=1419727403 quote:More details have emerged of the secrecy behind the separate and closed trial of Gennady Afanasyev whose testimony is probably the only ‘evidence’ in the ‘Crimean terrorist plot’ charges against four opponents of Russia’s annexation of the Crimea, including renowned film director Oleg Sentsov and left-wing activist Oleksandr Kolchenko. Information about his conviction and sentencing to 7 years imprisonment and a further 1.5 years restriction of liberty coincided with the court hearings into Kolchenko and Sentsov’s detention. Both hearings ended with the detention being extended until April. HUGE PUBES A PLUS fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Dec 29, 2014 |
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Dec 29, 2014 17:57
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OddObserver posted:No, it's not a complicated issue. RUSSIA BAD, EVERYONE ELSE GOOD
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AllanGordon posted:RUSSIA BAD, EVERYONE ELSE GOOD Russia bad, others not so bad atm
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Baracula posted:Russia bad, others not so bad atm Russia bad seems like an understatement tbh.
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Sergiu64 posted:Russia bad seems like an understatement tbh. Exactly. No nation is a pure force of good naturally, but Russia is still pretty bad.
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Dec 29, 2014 18:59
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Ruble's at 58.8 to the dollar again and going up like a rocket. I did predict it.
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And oil's dropped to $57.00. I heard earlier 7% drop for the ruble but this is even better. 
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Warcabbit posted:Ruble's at 58.8 to the dollar again and going up like a rocket. Does anyone have some oil-related news to read?
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In three days we have: Lithuania converts to the Euro. Latvia chairs the Eurozone. Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Armenia launch the Eurasian Union. It's almost as if this oil price war were planned.
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I saw the edit.  Wonder, how much will, in fact, change with the Eurasian Union.
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This is a bit random, but a website that specializes in interviewing international relations scholars landed an interview with everybody's favorite -- Alexander Dugin. I haven't raked through it yet, but figured I'd throw it out there. http://www.theory-talks.org/2014/12/theory-talk-66.html Dugin posted:Today, Russia thinks of itself as a nation-state. Putin is a realist; nothing more. Walt is right about that. But the Theory of a Multipolar World and the Fourth Political Theory, as well as Eurasianism, are outlines of a much broader and large-scale ideology, directed against Western hegemony and challenging liberalism, globalization, and American strategic dominance. Of course, Russia as a nation-state is no competition for the West. But as the bridgehead of the Theory of a Multipolar World and the Fourth Political Theory, it changes its significance. Russian policies in the post-Soviet space and Russia’s courage in forming non-Western alliances are indicators. For now, Putin is testing this conceptual potential very gingerly. But the toughening of relations with the West and most likely the internal crises of globalization will at some point force a more careful and serious turn toward the creation of global alternative alliances. Nevertheless, we already observe such unions: The Shanghai Cooperation Organization, BRICS, the Eurasian Union—and they require a new ideology. Not one like Marxism, any universalism is excluded, but also not simple realist maneuvers of regional hegemons. Liberalism is a global challenge. The response to it should also be global. Does Putin understand this? Honestly, I don’t know. Sometimes it seems he does, and sometimes it seems he doesn’t. edit for clickbait MothraAttack fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Dec 29, 2014 |
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:If you're writing a news article about it, how is it a secret trial? According to this report, people who protested against Annexation of Crimea will be facing criminal charges in a secret court trial. It's secret in that the proceedings will be even less available to the public when compared with other proceedings under the relevant legal system.
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kalstrams posted:I think there are if only a few of us in this thread who thought that rouble became eternally stable in turn with Great Chieftains conference. I mean I predicted, in this thread, it would skyrocket while the central bank is on Christmas break. Stabilized at 58.4 or so.
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Warcabbit posted:I mean I predicted, in this thread, it would skyrocket while the central bank is on Christmas break.
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Warcabbit posted:I mean I predicted, in this thread, it would skyrocket while the central bank is on Christmas break.
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That's why their break is extended. They shut down with the world markets, and then extend for their Christmas. I suspect they're not fully closed this year, but they're not at full capacity and half of everyone's gone. It'll limit their reaction speed. Expect a bumpy recover-and-boost series of events for the next week or so. I'm sure the bigwigs who have to sign off on decisions are gone but reachable by cell, but who wants to make the call? If it gets very bad, they'll come back in eventually. Warcabbit fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Dec 29, 2014 |
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:In three days we have:
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Forgall posted:Russia doesn't celebrate Christmas in December though. Why on earth is there an organized effort to prevent conflict with fools who can't even celebrate Christmas correctly?
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El Perkele posted:Why I call you a hivemind is because I see dozens of posts that are similar to your "astute observations" written in many languages. They are so similar that they raise suspicions. The point is that you are not original and your point of view is continously employed as propaganda. That's why I think you are also a tool for propangada. I am not quite certain if you do it wittingly, but hey, if it quacks like a duck.. You can call pretty much anyone hivemind then. No opinion is so unique that you couldn't find a dozen people sharing it. And it's really weird that you count the fact that people from different countries/languages are expressing a similar opinion, as an argument against the validity of that opinion.
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Warcabbit posted:I mean I predicted, in this thread, it would skyrocket while the central bank is on Christmas break. I'm disappointed that I didn't get the chance to repeatedly refresh the Google conversion calculator and watch the value plummet second by second.
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Forgall posted:Russia doesn't celebrate Christmas in December though. American with a Russian family, two Christmas celebrations! 
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Turns out the new ad for the chief Russian TV hatemonger Dmitry Kiselev was copied from the Robocop remake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBHdE4cMWnc
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Here is an interesting video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Axv6Pf_rGl8 Cossacks speak out against LNR authorities and demand they resign. Go into settings to turn on English subtitles.
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With little surprise I discover that the issue again is Zionist plot.
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kalstrams posted:With little surprise I discover that the issue again is Zionist plot. So is their dispute on whether it's a Jewish plot or Jewish[*]-Masonic plot? In response, someone actually posted this on Twitter, commenting on how Cossacks never change:  I am kinda wondering if it's a photoshop though, the resemblance is a bit too much.... and I just found the RHS image on Google with posts from as early as 2010. Wow. [*] Not actually the word used.
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Could some Balkan goons weigh in on credibility of http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/police-raids-bosnia-s-most-popular-online-media-newsroom website?OddObserver posted:So is their dispute on whether it's a Jewish plot or Jewish[*]-Masonic plot?
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