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Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Prison Warden posted:

Which, thinking on it, I think the holosuites have only gonna bananas like one time, the civilian model seems way more safe than the military version.

If your private holosuite breaks all the time, you lose money. The government doesn't care how many expendables get murdered in the holodecks as long as they are cheap.

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Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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thexerox123 posted:

Rom probably just pulls weekly all-nighters to keep them in working order.
My personal guess is that the advanced holodeck poo poo, the black walls and yellow lines as opposed to whatever rec room poo poo the animated series had, is a Ferengi technology and was not perfectly integrated with Starfleet's crap. The Holosuites are probably mass produced on Ferenginar or something. Of course, then Starfleet invents the Doctor, so.

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


Ferengi holosuites are heavily optimized for interactive porn and soap operas. Starfleet's holodecks have to do all that as well as sophisticated scientific simulations and poo poo.

David D. Davidson
Nov 17, 2012

Orca lady?

FuturePastNow posted:

Ferengi holosuites are heavily optimized for interactive porn and soap operas. Starfleet's holodecks have to do all that as well as sophisticated scientific simulations and poo poo.

Or maybe Rom's just that good with machines. If he ever stepped foot on the Enterprise he would just be aghast about how everything is so haphazardly run.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

apophenium posted:

I'm just glad they didn't have her in that horrible old-person make up the whole episode. Star Trek has never been good at old-people make up.

What's an example of good old-people make-up?

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

What's an example of good old-people make-up?
Back to the Future part 2.

thexerox123
Aug 17, 2007

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

What's an example of good old-people make-up?

The Exorcist:




(Not a TV show, I know. But even among films, good old age make-up is rare.)

Rohan Kishibe
Oct 29, 2011

Frankly, I don't like you
and I never have.
In The Emperor's New Cloak, I enjoy Rom just tearing apart how the alternate universe doesn't make any loving sense.

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

What's an example of good old-people make-up?

Chakotay of Narn :v:

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






Cojawfee posted:

A ground war makes absolutely no sense with air ships. If you want to destroy an encampment, bombard it from the sky. It's almost as if there is some sort of agreement that when there is a ground battle on a continent, ships in the air won't engage with each other.

:mil101:

thexerox123
Aug 17, 2007

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

Chakotay of Narn :v:

Actually, now that I think of it, Admiral Janeway is pretty well done.

Rohan Kishibe
Oct 29, 2011

Frankly, I don't like you
and I never have.
You see, in Star Trek, there are no gays, so in the alternate universe EVERYONE is gay! :suicide:

e:

["You could try putting your dick... in a vagina!"]
"I haven't tried that before."
"Few men have, but I think you'll find it very stimulating."

The evidence keeps stacking up.

I bet they really regret killing off alt-Odo as soon as they could, huh? I bet the alternate Founders are really nice. or not, who knows.

Decided to catch a few minutes of Field of Fire before bed. This guy is doomed. I bet he dies like, ten minutes in tops.

Rohan Kishibe fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Dec 31, 2014

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

thexerox123 posted:

The Exorcist:




(Not a TV show, I know. But even among films, good old age make-up is rare.)

I think good lighting also goes a long way too.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
So if Dukat was banging Kira's mom and was prefect, how old is he? Unless Dukat was a prodigy and rose through the ranks super fast, he'd probably be at least middle aged when put in charge of the occupation. Thinking Kira is the same age as the actress, she'd be in her 30s, so thats probably 25 years or so. So Dukat's pretty spry for a guy in his 70s. Though Picard was supposed to be in his 60s in season 1 of TNG, who knows. Or maybe Cardassians are long lived, like Vulcans and Klingons.

Or maybe better not thinking about it, it is Star Trek after all.

Its too bad they never got a chance to round out the Romulans the way that DS9 did for the Klingons and Feringi, and to a lesser extent Cardassians (they appeared in like 3 episodes of TNG so they don't really count). I'd like to think of the Romulans as a people who desire order and conformity. They aren't exactly evil, just paranoid that everyone else is going to upset everything, and keep tabs on their own citizens because they shouldn't be rocking the boat either. Maybe one day we'll see that.

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






twistedmentat posted:

So if Dukat was banging Kira's mom and was prefect, how old is he? Unless Dukat was a prodigy and rose through the ranks super fast, he'd probably be at least middle aged when put in charge of the occupation. Thinking Kira is the same age as the actress, she'd be in her 30s, so thats probably 25 years or so. So Dukat's pretty spry for a guy in his 70s. Though Picard was supposed to be in his 60s in season 1 of TNG, who knows. Or maybe Cardassians are long lived, like Vulcans and Klingons.

Or maybe better not thinking about it, it is Star Trek after all.

We found out from Garak that the Cardassians as a people appreciate the experience and status that comes with age, so it shouldn't be too unexpected that Dukat is still in the game after that long. I got the impression that Cardie life doesn't 'really' begin until their 40s or so, and we generally didn't see much youthful ambition in their ranks.

quote:

Its too bad they never got a chance to round out the Romulans the way that DS9 did for the Klingons and Feringi, and to a lesser extent Cardassians (they appeared in like 3 episodes of TNG so they don't really count). I'd like to think of the Romulans as a people who desire order and conformity. They aren't exactly evil, just paranoid that everyone else is going to upset everything, and keep tabs on their own citizens because they shouldn't be rocking the boat either. Maybe one day we'll see that.

Ron Moore talked about the lost opportunity of not keeping around the Romulan officer assigned to the Defiant's loaned cloaking device, and personally I wish they'd brought the Romulans into the war about a season earlier so we could've potentially gotten more insights like this. "Unification" and "Face of the Enemy" were such good TNG episodes for that reason.

Pasco
Oct 2, 2010

twistedmentat posted:

Its too bad they never got a chance to round out the Romulans the way that DS9 did for the Klingons and Feringi, and to a lesser extent Cardassians (they appeared in like 3 episodes of TNG so they don't really count). I'd like to think of the Romulans as a people who desire order and conformity. They aren't exactly evil, just paranoid that everyone else is going to upset everything, and keep tabs on their own citizens because they shouldn't be rocking the boat either. Maybe one day we'll see that.

I'd have really liked any new Trek TV series to focus on the Romulans, but that seems staggeringly unlikely at this point.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

Pasco posted:

I'd have really liked any new Trek TV series to focus on the Romulans, but that seems staggeringly unlikely at this point.

Just have a Romulan as part of the main cast the same way Worf was in TNG.

McSpanky posted:

Ron Moore talked about the lost opportunity of not keeping around the Romulan officer assigned to the Defiant's loaned cloaking device, and personally I wish they'd brought the Romulans into the war about a season earlier so we could've potentially gotten more insights like this. "Unification" and "Face of the Enemy" were such good TNG episodes for that reason.

Yea, I wish they hadn't done that. At least we get that Senator in season 7.

Valiant isn't a bad episode, but Nog and Jake on Feringinar would have been good to see too. And as someone who is from the Canadian East Coast, I understand the many different names for rain.

Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?
Valiant is a pretty crazy dark episode. Like, DS9 did a lot of episodes were actually pretty dark and pessimistic, but Valiant is literally about a ship full of kids getting in over their heads and dying. The one person who survives doesn't even take anything meaningful away from the experience.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

twistedmentat posted:

Its too bad they never got a chance to round out the Romulans the way that DS9 did for the Klingons and Feringi, and to a lesser extent Cardassians (they appeared in like 3 episodes of TNG so they don't really count). I'd like to think of the Romulans as a people who desire order and conformity. They aren't exactly evil, just paranoid that everyone else is going to upset everything, and keep tabs on their own citizens because they shouldn't be rocking the boat either. Maybe one day we'll see that.

I think they might have had an opportunity to do that in Enterprise if they'd pursued the Romulan War storyline earlier, rather than the Xindi arc and the Temporal Cold War. It's my understanding that they wanted to cover that ground eventually, since the threat of invasion by the Romulans was meant to be a major factor in the establishment of the Federation, but they ended up leaving it too late.

Of course, I'm pretty sure by the time "Balance of Terror" came about, nobody in the Federation had so much as seen a Romulan, but Enterprise had its crew meeting the Borg and Ferengi about a century before anyone in the Federation had ever heard of them, so they probably would've worked around it.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

twistedmentat posted:

Its too bad they never got a chance to round out the Romulans the way that DS9 did for the Klingons and Feringi, and to a lesser extent Cardassians (they appeared in like 3 episodes of TNG so they don't really count). I'd like to think of the Romulans as a people who desire order and conformity. They aren't exactly evil, just paranoid that everyone else is going to upset everything, and keep tabs on their own citizens because they shouldn't be rocking the boat either. Maybe one day we'll see that.

I think there can be a difference between "Romulans as a people" and "Romulans as a government/state". Why not have both scenarios: a police state quietly resented by its citizens (Romulans), and a police state well-regarded by its citizens (Cardassians)?

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Prison Warden posted:

I bet they really regret killing off alt-Odo as soon as they could, huh? I bet the alternate Founders are really nice. or not, who knows.
The mirror Founders hate liquids and only assume liquid form when they have to, and spend most of their time silently standing around pressed up against each other in The Great Crowd.

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

The Mirror Founders are super chill and never founded anything because, like, organizations are such a buzzkill, man.

hope and vaseline
Feb 13, 2001

Metal Loaf posted:

I think they might have had an opportunity to do that in Enterprise if they'd pursued the Romulan War storyline earlier, rather than the Xindi arc and the Temporal Cold War. It's my understanding that they wanted to cover that ground eventually, since the threat of invasion by the Romulans was meant to be a major factor in the establishment of the Federation, but they ended up leaving it too late.

Of course, I'm pretty sure by the time "Balance of Terror" came about, nobody in the Federation had so much as seen a Romulan, but Enterprise had its crew meeting the Borg and Ferengi about a century before anyone in the Federation had ever heard of them, so they probably would've worked around it.

(Novel talk, if you're allergic to apocrypha, just ignore it!) The Romulan War post-series books had a pretty clever workaround for this. The drone ship technology they were testing in season 4 was a precursor to remote-hijacking tech where the Romulans basically turned the coalition's own ships against them, which led them to have to downgrade their ships and use older ones (the daedalus class rust buckets became the main fleet because of resistance to the tech). The Romulans themselves only used guerilla tactics to support the remote ship tech, and they would self-destruct their ships if boarded or disabled.

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Dec 22, 2003

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hope and vaseline posted:

(Novel talk, if you're allergic to apocrypha, just ignore it!) The Romulan War post-series books had a pretty clever workaround for this. The drone ship technology they were testing in season 4 was a precursor to remote-hijacking tech where the Romulans basically turned the coalition's own ships against them, which led them to have to downgrade their ships and use older ones (the daedalus class rust buckets became the main fleet because of resistance to the tech). The Romulans themselves only used guerilla tactics to support the remote ship tech, and they would self-destruct their ships if boarded or disabled.
Wasn't that sort of the excuse for the TOS 'downgrade', that it's basically information security so every clever rear end in a top hat who had gone 'heh heh, I'll just hack their starship with my ultrascript powers' would have to route everything through Uhura's desk, who would shut it all down? I may have made that last part up, of course, but it does tend to give her an even bigger role.

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Aug 17, 2007

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insert_funny
Jan 5, 2013

I can never have plastic surgery, because I don't feel like chipping in another five bucks to change the picture.
The Mirror Founders are always assuming the forms of the species they encounter and have lengthy debates over which race of beings has the superior sense of fashion.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
The mirror founders never left their home world because it is so chill there. Except for the evil ones like Mirror Odo. They left to be douchebags across the galaxy.

insert_funny
Jan 5, 2013

I can never have plastic surgery, because I don't feel like chipping in another five bucks to change the picture.
The Mirror Founders take out billboards in all the adjoining systems to invite passing ships over to hang out with them.

e: The Mirror Founders tolerate species that have no concept of money, but really wish they could chip in a little something to cover the cable bill. HBO and those pay-per-view UFC fights ain't cheap, you know.

insert_funny fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Dec 31, 2014

JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!
Mirror Founders have been hunted to near extinction by the races of the Gamma Quadrant. In a last ditch effort to save their species they launched their newborns into deep space hoping that a few would survive and thrive on some distant part of the galaxy. They were all quickly tracked down by the Jem'Hedar legions and destroyed, except for Odo thanks to the Wormhole.

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

The Mirror Founders are super chill and never founded anything because, like, organizations are such a buzzkill, man.

The mirror Founders spend most of their time in a cloud of the Great Haze :350: except for those Young Obsidian narcs like Odo, what a solid.

Damo
Nov 8, 2002

The second-generation Pontiac Sunbird, introduced by the automaker for the 1982 model year as the J2000, was built to be an inexpensive and fuel-efficient front-wheel-drive commuter car capable of seating five.

Offensive Clock
Oh man. Cocktail waitress Ezri from Badda-Bing Badda-Bang :swoon:

I'm so, so glad Jadzia died in season 6. So incredibly glad.

edit: Also please tell me someone has a gif of Sisko making it rain handy.

Damo fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Dec 31, 2014

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Metal Loaf posted:

I think they might have had an opportunity to do that in Enterprise if they'd pursued the Romulan War storyline earlier, rather than the Xindi arc and the Temporal Cold War. It's my understanding that they wanted to cover that ground eventually, since the threat of invasion by the Romulans was meant to be a major factor in the establishment of the Federation, but they ended up leaving it too late.

Also, one of the planned plot points was T'Pol being revealed to be half-Romulan. This was apparently in response to Blaylock being a Vulcan fangirl and bitching throughout the series that T'Pol is atrociously written as a Vulcan (Tim Russ had the same issues on Voyager). Making her half-Romulan was apparently the writers' plan to explain why, well, the character suffered from awful and inconsistent writing.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to
I have to admit, the Vulcan retcon in Enterprise was something I actually liked. It even made sense, because a culture that valued "logic" above all could become rather authoritarian and dogmatic.

I never noticed before that Brunt actually has really small ears.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
He doesn't have the lobes for business.

DirtyRobot
Dec 15, 2003

it was a normally happy sunny day... but Dirty Robot was dirty

Cojawfee posted:

He doesn't have the lobes for business.
There should have been more jokes between Odo and Quark about Odo's ears.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Odo should have made Ferengi ears in order to mock him.

Like, grossly oversized ones.

(more so)

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

Quark quickly peruses the contents of an African safari program Bashir has brought in. "And these huge animals here, no one's even tried teaching them to use accounting software? Oh-ho-ho, Doctor, I smell a burgeoning opportunity on the serengeti!"

Then he rubs his hands together while loudly cackling about how much gold-pressed latinium he's going to bilk out of those stupid gentiles hoo-mans.

jscolon2.0
Jul 9, 2001

With great payroll, comes great disappointment.

Cythereal posted:

Also, one of the planned plot points was T'Pol being revealed to be half-Romulan. This was apparently in response to Blaylock being a Vulcan fangirl and bitching throughout the series that T'Pol is atrociously written as a Vulcan (Tim Russ had the same issues on Voyager). Making her half-Romulan was apparently the writers' plan to explain why, well, the character suffered from awful and inconsistent writing.

So all the characters were Half Romulan?

Chicken Doodle
May 16, 2007

Three members of Voyagers crew were intentionally assimilated. Four episodes later, are any lasting effects mentioned? Any character development? Anything at all?

Voyager remains poo poo. Why am I still watching this loving thin- oh god the Doctor's hiding in Seven's body now.

\/\/\/ SPEAKING OF THE PON FARR, let me introduce you to Vulcan holo-prostitution...

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Doctor Butts
May 21, 2002

Kinda funny how the Vulcan 7 year itch always pops up in the first few years of them serving on any space mission.

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