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Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

Shinku ABOOKEN posted:

what was going on at zillow?

do you mean handy? I thought zillow was just firing olds

e: oh lol

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PleasureKevin
Jan 2, 2011


also, overuse of Z-puns

Space Whale
Nov 6, 2014
Holy poo poo zillow WTF

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

as long as I don't end up working the japanese salaryman schedule to answer goddamn support tickets for 35,000 a year

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Luigi Thirty posted:

as long as I don't end up working the japanese salaryman schedule to answer goddamn support tickets for 35,000 a year

what do you have against drunken karaoke with your boss and then crashing in a capsule hotel every night?

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

hobbesmaster posted:

what do you have against drunken karaoke with your boss and then crashing in a capsule hotel every night?

at least it comes with coin operated pornography

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison
what the gently caress is a bean anyway

Forgall
Oct 16, 2012

by Azathoth

uncurable mlady posted:

what the gently caress is a bean anyway
Tokens to be redeemed in your fart app of choice.

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

uncurable mlady posted:

what the gently caress is a bean anyway

bad enterprise abstract nonsense

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison

Soricidus posted:

bad enterprise abstract nonsense

i thought Java was ok until I started trying to figure out enterprise Java and now I think it's bad again

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill
enterprise java is what you get when consultants look at cobol and think "hmm, this works too well and does not require enough new certifications"

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006
nobody has ever needed the full jee stack but that doesn't stop redhate or ibm from selling jboss + websphere.

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004


hey shaggar what statement mapper do you use along with c#

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006
you can use ibatis.net but its not as nice as using mybatis-spring and it hasn't been updated in forever.

tbh I've been using EF's "function import" thing to map stored procs. it still sucks balls cause you cant use existing types, but its the least effort I've found so far

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Shaggar posted:

nobody has ever needed the full jee stack but that doesn't stop redhate or ibm from selling jboss + websphere.

i suspect a lot of jboss and websphere customers just wanted a support contract for apache + tomcat

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

remember that guy with the big red title that said he spent 10,000 dollars on gpotatoes in space Cowboys online

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome
I started as a java dev back in 96? 97? or so ... around java 1.0.2, and I've never had to deal with beans before. my new job uses them and they seem real stupid and overwrought.

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison
i'm noticing there's a lot of 'enterprise' java software that makes a lot of really lovely decisions about databases and their access to them

Arcsech
Aug 5, 2008
being a terrible programming and having not used java since a college class yonks ago i always assumed a bean was the java equivalent of a gem or an egg or whatever but for java instead of a plang

it seems to fit the pattern:
a ruby gem
a python egg
a java bean

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

a c# shaggar

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison
so bean is a fancy way of saying 'library'?

triple sulk
Sep 17, 2014



Luigi Thirty posted:

a c# shaggar

This doesn't check out because C# is a good language.

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

uncurable mlady posted:

so bean is a fancy way of saying 'library'?

no, a bean is a specific type of encapsulated group of objects created by a Java class for passing between Java programs I think, it's a server thing from the late 90s

note: I am not a Java programmer

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

Arcsech posted:

being a terrible programming and having not used java since a college class yonks ago i always assumed a bean was the java equivalent of a gem or an egg or whatever but for java instead of a plang

nope

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison

Luigi Thirty posted:

no, a bean is a specific type of encapsulated group of objects created by a Java class for passing between Java programs I think, it's a server thing from the late 90s

note: I am not a Java programmer

hm

quote:

I think you can find a precise definition at http://java.sun.com - but essentially, a JavaBean is a class that has a no-argument constructor and properties that can be set and retrieved via setXxxx() and getXxxx() methods given a property named "xxxx" - please note the change in capitalization, a process known as "introspection" works in conjunction with this convention.
A JavaBean may or may not be associated with a GUI element, depending on what it's intended to be used for. An ENTERPRISE JavaBean (EJB) carries the whole thing to a much higher degree of complexity, and there are several good books written on that topic.

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison
so in the context of enterprise java it seems that beans are used to pass state somehow?

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome
yeah basically someone looked at the reflection API and had an idea then poo poo all over themselves

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007

I thought Java Beans were the equivalent of ActiveX controls

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

pseudorandom name posted:

I thought Java Beans were the equivalent of ActiveX controls

thankfully, I don't think there's any java equivalent of those

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison
javaee seems like a massive, multi-year scam to keep ibm and red hat in business

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison
i'd have added oracle to that but oracle db does a fine job on its own of being a massive, multi-year scam

bobbilljim
May 29, 2013

this christmas feels like the very first christmas to me
:shittydog::shittydog::shittydog:

rotor posted:

yeah basically someone looked at the reflection API and had an idea then poo poo all over themselves

nothing good comes from getting excited abaout reflection

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome
i just think it's one of those things that people keep "improving" with layers of abstraction until it's too complex then they add more layers that make them appear simpler, and back & forth like that for a decade or so.

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison
speaking of people "improving" things

https://jhipster.github.io/

hm yes, spring + angularjs

this seems like a great idea

more like dICK
Feb 15, 2010

This is inevitable.
That is a great idea because spring is great on the server and angularjs is great on the client.

more like dICK
Feb 15, 2010

This is inevitable.
The example app looks like any spring mvc project just with a bunch of gruntbowernpmgulp cruft in the webapp folder. It's entirely unremarkable tbh.

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

more like dICK posted:

That is a great idea because spring is great on the server and angularjs is great on the client.

i read spring as sperging lol

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

more like dICK posted:

angularjs is great on the client.

angularjs looks a lot like adobe flex except it manages to be even worse

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome
webdevs! welcome to state of the art in flash development in 2005!

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more like dICK
Feb 15, 2010

This is inevitable.

Bloody posted:

i read spring as sperging lol

Also true

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