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Groetgaffel posted:After all, it took Abnett years before he felt he could write Space Marines. A sentiment I wish BL as a whole had to be honest. Just to put a damper on them doing pretty much nothing but Space Marines stories and to get them doing else with regular intervals instead of just occasionally as it feels right now. Also wish they'd just get their heads out of their asses and release some compendiums for various short stories again such all the Ciaphas Cain and Gaunt's Ghost stuff that I'll probably never read because it's all separate digital purchases which is just a bother to deal with instead of one package. Loved to get them in printed form too but that's just wishful thinking.
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Waroduce posted:It was awesome read it ASAP Seconded, or in this case thirded. It's good and the sequel is better.
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Question about the Horus Heresy, specifically about Fulgrim: Is there anything that explicitly details how exactly Fulgrim was able to gain back control of his body after losing it to the demon that took control of him through the Laeran Blade? Like, what the poo poo happened between Istvaan and the Prismatica System? It feels like I'm missing something.
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AndyElusive posted:Question about the Horus Heresy, specifically about Fulgrim: Is there anything that explicitly details how exactly Fulgrim was able to gain back control of his body after losing it to the demon that took control of him through the Laeran Blade? Like, what the poo poo happened between Istvaan and the Prismatica System? It feels like I'm missing something. I think it had something to do with his butt
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Improbable Lobster posted:I think it had something to do with his butt  Go on...
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AndyElusive posted:
oh I see you thought he was joking.
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Cooked Auto posted:Also wish they'd just get their heads out of their asses and release some compendiums for various short stories again such all the Ciaphas Cain and Gaunt's Ghost stuff that I'll probably never read because it's all separate digital purchases which is just a bother to deal with instead of one package. AndyElusive posted:Question about the Horus Heresy, specifically about Fulgrim: Is there anything that explicitly details how exactly Fulgrim was able to gain back control of his body after losing it to the demon that took control of him through the Laeran Blade? Like, what the poo poo happened between Istvaan and the Prismatica System? It feels like I'm missing something. And yes, it involves his butt. 
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Groetgaffel posted:Well, there's the Sabbat Worlds book that is just a collection of short stories. Three by Abnett, and one each by McNeill, Matthew Farrer, ADB, Nik Vincent, Nick Kyme, and Sandy Mitchell. I am kinda hoping that BL will be sensible and release the collectors ed sabbat book as a normal book sooner or later as I've already got the first anthology. Edit: Of course they only bother re-releasing it as an ebook.  Apparently people weren't suckered in enough to buy all of the "exclusive" first editions either. But like hell I'm still gonna spend 70 euros on a book.
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Jan 1, 2015 14:08
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Improbable Lobster posted:I think it had something to do with his butt No, the butt part is him explaining how the daemon was too weak to keep its hold on Fulgrim. There really isn't a good explanation as to why Fulgrim was able to cast it out and why the other Primarchs weren't.
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Jan 1, 2015 14:36
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berzerkmonkey posted:No, the butt part is him explaining how the daemon was too weak to keep its hold on Fulgrim. There really isn't a good explanation as to why Fulgrim was able to cast it out and why the other Primarchs weren't. Assuming Fulgrim/daemon was telling the truth, at any rate. None of the other primarchs, as far as I know, were directly possessed. The ones who didn't die became daemon princes, but only Fulgrim seems to have been possessed prior to his transformation.
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Jan 1, 2015 15:34
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And honestly, Fulgrim being possessed was a fairly interesting end to that book that is completely ruined by him suddenly being back in control and just an rear end in a top hat later. It even has the added bonus of Horus seeing that his brother is now being possessed by some strange warp xeno and having his first inklings of doubt about what is happening around him. However, that would have required the authors to actually write books that followed Horus around during the heresy instead of removing him completely from the books after number 3.
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Anonymous Zebra posted:And honestly, Fulgrim being possessed was a fairly interesting end to that book that is completely ruined by him suddenly being back in control and just an rear end in a top hat later. It even has the added bonus of Horus seeing that his brother is now being possessed by some strange warp xeno and having his first inklings of doubt about what is happening around him. However, that would have required the authors to actually write books that followed Horus around during the heresy instead of removing him completely from the books after number 3.
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I'm halfway through Ian Watson's Spacemarine and I don't know what the gently caress I'm reading but I love it. some highlights: (somewhat spoilery I guess) Space marines farting in eachothers faces an emperor titan flipping a bunch of warlords off, like literally giving them the finger some weird mosaic of poo poo goblets being worshipped by imperial fists as if its the holiest thing after the golden throne and arm-less, leg-less blood drinker marine with his rear end encased in lead trying to convince other marines he can still be of use ITS BIFFING TIME This book is great and I can't wait what other crazy poo poo is going to happen.
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Jan 1, 2015 18:51
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Groetgaffel posted:He's one of the central figures in Vengeful Spirit, book 29. Of course, at that point he's already embraced Chaos with both arms and an awkward boner. Imo that was a bad book tho Would not recommend
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Jan 1, 2015 19:54
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Waroduce posted:Imo that was a bad book tho Agreed.
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Jan 1, 2015 20:22
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If you subscribe to the BL newsletter, they offered a free ebook (probably a pamphlet) prequel today for the new Gaunt's Ghosts collection.
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Mikojan posted:I'm halfway through Ian Watson's Spacemarine and I don't know what the gently caress I'm reading but I love it. Space Marine is batshit bonkers awesome because it was written before the 40K setting was really nailed down, so Watson could just go nuts without much restriction.
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Helicon One posted:oh I see you thought he was joking. That and I had forgotten the butt part.  Anonymous Zebra posted:And honestly, Fulgrim being possessed was a fairly interesting end to that book that is completely ruined by him suddenly being back in control and just an rear end in a top hat later. It even has the added bonus of Horus seeing that his brother is now being possessed by some strange warp xeno and having his first inklings of doubt about what is happening around him. However, that would have required the authors to actually write books that followed Horus around during the heresy instead of removing him completely from the books after number 3. This is essentially my problem with the whole possessed/not possessed aspect of Fulgrims transcendence into demon-prince hood. All for the sake of adding what exactly? A bit of suspense or doubt in the observations and actions of Lucius and the rest of the Brotherhood of the Phoenix.
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Did any of the chaos primarchs except Horus get a bad deal out of betraying the Emperor? All of them are immortal demons now right?
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Sandweed posted:Did any of the chaos primarchs except Horus get a bad deal out of betraying the Emperor? All of them are immortal demons now right? Depending on your take on motivations and whatnot Alpharius and his Legion got their poo poo pushed in pretty hard post-Invasion of Terra
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Jan 2, 2015 15:19
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Well Konrad got assassinated and his legion got its poo poo kicked in by the Ultramarines. A couple of the chaos legions also splintered pretty drat hard too.
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Sandweed posted:Did any of the chaos primarchs except Horus get a bad deal out of betraying the Emperor? All of them are immortal demons now right? Magnus and the Thousand Sons got a pretty raw deal despite the whole immortal daemon prince gig.
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Some of the legions got shafted that's for sure but I'm talking about the primarchs specifically. All of the loyal primarchs are either dead or missing, Konrad and Horus is dead. Looks like the chaos primarchs got the better deal overall. Alpha legion turned to chaos, but one of the twin primarchs remained loyal, do we even know what's really going on there?
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Sandweed posted:Some of the legions got shafted that's for sure but I'm talking about the primarchs specifically. I thought it was canon that Johnson was still in stasis/sleeping in the Rock? Also yeah most of the chaos primarchs are alive but a lot of them are loving around with the Long Game in the warp and pretty much don't have any part in running their legion or anything in general really.
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As noted, whether they got a 'better deal' really, really depends on whether you consider 'immortal evil dude' a good deal (and in at least one case, immortal evil dude constantly ravaged by hideous diseases). It sounds like you do but I'm not sure many would actually agree with you. There's no hard canon on what happened to Alpharius/Omegon (yet) I don't think, any implications one way or the other are pure speculation. Most of the loyalist primarchs aren't dead for certain, a lot of them went on crusades or whatever and were lost to the reaches of history - but there are a lot of predictions that they'll return for the end times, basically. Russ, Khan and Corax at least basically went charging off into the eye of terror for whatever reason and are expected back AAAAANY minute now. Vulkan disappeared, but according to book-canon he's basically immortal given he's a perpetual. Dorn lost a hand assaulting a chaos ship but he's MIA rather than KIA. Guilliman is in stasis on Ultramar, not actually dead. The only ones definitely dead are Sanguinius and Ferrus Manus on the loyalist side and Horus and Kurze on the rebels'. gently caress knows about the Dark Angels BTW - the official line is 'Luther turned evil, assaulted Lion, Lion in stasis on Rock, will return eventually' but the Dark Angels are shrouded in secrecy and there's a lot of fanon that basically says they're the chaos equivalent of the Alpha Legion.
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Vulkan pretty much got his head hosed up by Kurze's torturing too right? Like, even if he would return he'd be a rambling lunatic with little to no use. Well, I guess you could drop him on a chaos world and pick him up like a decade later when everything is dead.
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Waroduce posted:Imo that was a bad book tho
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Personally I'm not sure if I would consider evil immortal dude a good deal, but the primarchs where not really humans in the first place. Most of them didn't even consider humans worth anything at all. They just switched out one superbeing to serve for another.
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Groetgaffel posted:Yeah, but if you're dumb enough (like me) to read all the Horus Heresy books just because, then it's at least better than Damnation of Pythos, #30. Or Nemesis. gently caress that book. I liked Nemisis bc you got a look at the assasins, but it would have been better as not a heresy book. Also it was kinda dumb ya.
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thespaceinvader posted:As noted, whether they got a 'better deal' really, really depends on whether you consider 'immortal evil dude' a good deal (and in at least one case, immortal evil dude constantly ravaged by hideous diseases). It sounds like you do but I'm not sure many would actually agree with you. There's bits and pieces of the canon that imply he got it back together later on. Conveniently, he then goes missing. Edit: Vulcan, that is
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Shroud posted:There's bits and pieces of the canon that imply he got it back together later on. Conveniently, he then goes missing. grammaticus stabbed Vulcan with that spear in Unremembered Empire which prevents Vulkan from perpetually coming back. He's as good as KIA.
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PRESIDENT GOKU posted:grammaticus stabbed Vulcan with that spear in Unremembered Empire which prevents Vulkan from perpetually coming back. He's as good as KIA. Vulcan in 40k lore spoiler i guess:Vulcan is MIA not KIA. He is one of the primarchs who can 'come back' in the end times regardless of his perpetual status
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PRESIDENT GOKU posted:grammaticus stabbed Vulcan with that spear in Unremembered Empire which prevents Vulkan from perpetually coming back. He's as good as KIA. Vulcan spoiler: There was also that bit near the end where the space marine started hearing a heartbeat too, sooooo yeah he's probably still around
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Helicon One posted:Space Marine is batshit bonkers awesome because it was written before the 40K setting was really nailed down, so Watson could just go nuts without much restriction. I've talked about it before, but Watson got offered the GW book deals at a time when genre fiction was considered career poison and he didn't even bother with a pseudonym and just had fun. In the forward to Inquisition War he talks about how all his author friends told him it was a bad idea, but that his W40K books made him more money then anything else he had written by far, and the setting was insanely fun to work with. At the time he was given a rough outline of what the W40k universe was and suggestions on what to do and what to avoid and then given complete free reign. There's a reason later editions of his books were heavily edited to remove stuff that the GW editors now whined about being non-canon. Watson was doing Genestealer stories before the Tyranids were introduced and made up his own crazy backgrounds and stuff to explain them. One of his main characters was a Squat who openly poo poo on the Adeptus Mechanus and rolled his eyes every time someone said a prayer or invoked the Emperor while fixing something. At the time, he was the biggest "get" GW could ever hope for and as a result he was got tons of leeway and created some insanely good books. By W40k standards his stuff is still miles ahead of everything since then, save some of ADB's works and maybe some of Abnett's stuff.
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PRESIDENT GOKU posted:grammaticus stabbed Vulcan with that spear in Unremembered Empire which prevents Vulkan from perpetually coming back. He's as good as KIA. I think you have it backwards, actually. The spear was supposed to get around Vulkans perpetuality, so Kurze could use it to kill him, but John used it to instead sacrifice his own perpetuality and fix Vulkans head
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REAL MUSCLE MILK posted:I think you have it backwards, actually. This is the correct answer. Vulkan's even on record as being against the restructuring of the legions after the Heresy.
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pentyne posted:I've talked about it before, but Watson got offered the GW book deals at a time when genre fiction was considered career poison and he didn't even bother with a pseudonym and just had fun. In the forward to Inquisition War he talks about how all his author friends told him it was a bad idea, but that his W40K books made him more money then anything else he had written by far, and the setting was insanely fun to work with. At the time he was given a rough outline of what the W40k universe was and suggestions on what to do and what to avoid and then given complete free reign. Space Dwarf making GBS threads on a tech priest is a great image.
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thespaceinvader posted:gently caress knows about the Dark Angels BTW - the official line is 'Luther turned evil, assaulted Lion, Lion in stasis on Rock, will return eventually' but the Dark Angels are shrouded in secrecy and there's a lot of fanon that basically says they're the chaos equivalent of the Alpha Legion. Unfortunately the newest DA books by Gav Thrope kind of torpedo the idea that the Dark Angels turned to chaos. They basically imply everything that happened at Caliban was due to stupidity. DA on Caliban fired upon the Lions fleet, and the lion got all ragey and basically nuked the planet. Has there been any good BL stuff that came out recently?
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UberJumper posted:Has there been any good BL stuff that came out recently? Don’t know if it qualifies as recently but Stomcaller (part 2 of Blood of Asaheim) by Chris Wraight is probably worth a read as well as Talon of Horus by ADB. Both are okay/good, In my opinion anyway.
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Waroduce posted:I liked Nemisis bc you got a look at the assasins, but it would have been better as not a heresy book. Also it was kinda dumb ya. Yeah that could have been great, Oceans 11 in space, only they're all the Imperiums greatest Assassins working together to kill the toughest target in the Galaxy . You'd think that would be hard to mess up. As you say making the target someone you knew the Author wouldn't be allowed to kill made the whole book pointless. If they'd set in in the 40K timeline rather than the Heresy and made it, random example, 'The Dark Mechicus's most dangerous tech-sorceror has developed a meme that can take over loyalist Titans. Someone has to infiltrate his personal Forge World and take him out forever' or something like that, it could have been really good.
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