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Pirate Jet posted:Pretty much everyone just said that Smash is great for having simple controls, but that doesn't mean it's an excuse for the game being poorly balanced. Poor competitive play can also affect casual play. Not even friends drinking beer in four-player free-for-alls like that guy who picks Diddy Kong over and over again for easy wins. I don't think most people play the game to the point where diddy kong's OPness actually matters or is even noticeable, so I don't think your last statement is true.
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messagemode1 posted:I don't think most people play the game to the point where diddy kong's OPness actually matters or is even noticeable, so I don't think your last statement is true. Yeah, agreed. Diddy's definitely good, but he doesn't seem Meta Knight levels of good where he has nearly every good tool available to him at a very high skill floor. I mean, just effectively using the bananas strikes me as requiring way more thought than Meta's spin-to-win and laser priority.
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Waverhouse posted:Just balance around 1v1. If group smashing suffers because of it (I fail to see how that would be the case but lets assume) then who cares? 4 man free for alls are the default mode for the casual crowd (the ones who would care least about total balance), and competitive 2v2 has always been more a side show than a main attraction for the competitive set. This would work great because even if it disrupts balance in a free-for-all setting, the final smashes provide an extra layer of balance. Fox dominating FFAs due to his speed and strong smashes? Reduce Landmaster time dramatically.
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I had some 8 player smashes and there were players who like would actually walk off the stage and not realize what just happened People are worse at games than you realize
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TheKingofSprings posted:http://smashboards.com/threads/sakurai-smash-as-a-competitive-game-has-no-future.384952 you'd think after like the eighth time sakurai gets mistranslated and everyone blows up about it, that it would stop happening
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Kirby and Jigglypuff are fun as gently caress in For Glory Smash 4 man matches. I just beat some randoms three times in a row as Jigglypuff and by the 4th round the game was 3 Jigglypuffs and 1 Kirby [I had won as Kirby prior to Jigglypuff]. Fly around and down + b for cheap kills as Kirby, or fly around and Rest on anyone above 40%+, especially larger characters, and escape after getting woken up by an accidental bump in the process. Fly away, rinse repeat. Nairbo fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Jan 1, 2015 |
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Spinning Robo posted:you'd think after like the eighth time sakurai gets mistranslated and everyone blows up about it, that it would stop happening You'd think that. But then again even if that were the case they'd just take his quotes wildly out of context anyway.
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The Bee posted:Yeah, agreed. Diddy's definitely good, but he doesn't seem Meta Knight levels of good where he has nearly every good tool available to him at a very high skill floor. I mean, just effectively using the bananas strikes me as requiring way more thought than Meta's spin-to-win and laser priority. Diddy has very, very good aerials - his up-air is particularly egregious - but his banana was severely nerfed from Brawl. Doesn't mean it's not still good, and he's clearly one of the best characters in the game, but not by much. I'd much rather fight a good Diddy than a good Yoshi.
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Pirate Jet posted:Pretty much everyone just said that Smash is great for having simple controls, but that doesn't mean it's an excuse for the game being poorly balanced. Poor competitive play can also affect casual play. Not even friends drinking beer in four-player free-for-alls like that guy who picks Diddy Kong over and over again for easy wins.
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There is no way Diddy is on the same level of Brawl MK, or Melee Fox/Falco.
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IronicDongz posted:There are no characters in this game that are obnoxious enough for anyone sane to get mad at someone else for choosing them. As a someone who mains Jpuff, it was hilarious to watch people complain about Little Mac those first few weeks.
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Orange Crush Rush posted:There is no way Diddy is on the same level of Brawl MK. Hell he's probably Melee Fox/Falco. Diddy is tough in the hands of a good player cause he has deceptively good range on his stuff. That movie where he front flips in one direction gets me so much cause I always underestimate it. It's easy for players to gently caress up his recovery though, and you can blast the jetpack off of him. Yoshi is far more annoying to fight. Everything he does has priority over my stuff (at least as Bowser Jr. I dunno how he is against other characters). His running kick has stupid long range too. His eggs are obnoxious! Gah! he's annoying to fight. SeANMcBAY posted:As a someone who mains Jpuff, it was hilarious to watch people complain about Little Mac those first few weeks. I'm not normally a person that stands to the side and waits for someone to approach me. I get all up in the action, and Little Mac players were destroying me. Until you learn how stupid Little Mac players are and will throw themselves off the side if you're on the ledge almost to the point that that's what they want to happen.
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"Have you ever made a game?" was really Sakurai pouring salt on wounds from the failed Air Dash Online.
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F. Lobot posted:"Have you ever made a game?" was really Sakurai pouring salt on wounds from the failed Air Dash Online. Turns out without the Nintendo characters nobody would give a poo poo about Smash
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TheKingofSprings posted:Turns out without the Nintendo characters nobody would give a poo poo about Smash That was literally the reason it became a Nintendo crossover in the first place. Though I wouldn't mind other companies trying an actually good clone of Smash or Power Stone.
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Secret Sakurai fighter project, confirmed. http://youtu.be/QyH5qI0-D8g?t=37s PC Mod for Ultra SF4 Omega
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That looks pretty dope. Shame the guy in the video is a screaming idiot.
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Mayflash is making their own Wii U adapter. It's not available for sale yet, but it should be coming soon. Mayflash has a good reputation so these would be a really solid second choice if you can't find a first party adapter.
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Can you complete the "Clear Classic at intensity 7.0 or higher with all characters" challenge by doing it co-op? I don't want to waste mine and my buddy's time if it HAS to be solo. p.s. Anyone have any advice for beating Classic on 9.0 without dying? I get really close, but Master Core always finds a way to kill me.
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Reinanigans posted:p.s. Anyone have any advice for beating Classic on 9.0 without dying? I get really close, but Master Core always finds a way to kill me. With or without customs? With, go for things that reward first strikes and try for pure power builds, maybe some defense to counteract the drops you get. Without, I recommend Bowser Jr. His up special is fantastic against Master Core, his side special can help with the stupid maze at the end, and he's a really good character for the fight up to Master Core once you practice with him.
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The translation is still bad. I read the original Japanese statement and he is pretty much making GBS threads on competitive smash, something that he's done many times and is very outspoken about. People are attempting to cast him in a better light than he is (something that always happens whenever he says stupid poo poo) because people can't just accept that he's sort of a kooky weirdo. The exact line is "仮に、スマブラをガチ方面だけに振ってしまうとゲーム自体の未来がありません", which directly translates to "If you try to play Smash as a competitive game, it has no future." The "It has no future" part is the kind of phrasing you use when you say "You have no future in this company" or "I'm going to murder you, you have no future". Edit: A closer direct translation may be: "If you try to Swing smash as a seriously competitive game, it has no future". You can sort of translate "swing" as "think of" so there's also the translation "If you try to think of smash as just a seriously competitive game, it has no future", which is sort of a problem considering how really the only people playing Brawl and Melee nowadays are people who play it competitive and have been playing it competitively for 13 years in Melee's case. Regardless of the mistranslation or what his words directly mean, Sakurai is literally, in plaintext, saying that playing smash competitively is a zero sum game, which is why people are mad, because he's basically just trying to justify his extremely outspoken negative stance towards any sort of actual competition in his games. He has a very strange cult of personality that never seemed to make any sense to me. TheKingofSprings posted:Turns out without the Nintendo characters nobody would give a poo poo about Smash IDK about that, most of the people I've played with at Regionals tend to dislike Nintendo/only play Smash for the mechanics. I think the competitive community is actually hankering for a non-nintendo game with Smash mechanics. A lot of people would like to separate from Nintendo. At large though, yeah, Smash sells because it has Mario and Pikachu and Link on the cover. laplace fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Jan 2, 2015 |
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Yo join my game for fight
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I'm psychic guys. i somehow predicted Nintendo would gently caress all da game-cube controller stuff up. I'm glad i bout 4 and the adapter when i had the chance.
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That's insanely hosed up, and I don't respect any of those people who play Smash "just" for the unique style of game it is.
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mabels big day posted:That's insanely hosed up, and I don't respect any of those people who play Smash "just" for the unique style of game it is. You have to admit that the game is fun, even if you don't know or like any of the characters. But you're right, it's really dumb. How'd these people even get into the game if they dislike Nintendo in general?
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I wish someone would straight up tell him the thing he wants is literally impossible to achieve. Unless you remove or limit a player's ability to perform actions in the game, the more skilled player will do more effective actions and gain an advantage, regardless of the random poo poo that spawns. The only way he'll get his dream game is if he randomly completely removed the ability of the better player to do anything in the game, like what happens in Magic: the Gathering sometimes with mana flood/screw. And a video game that did that would be loving awful, a similar thing (tripping) was hated by the majority of people that played Brawl.
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Theta Zero posted:You have to admit that the game is fun, even if you don't know or like any of the characters. But you're right, it's really dumb. How'd these people even get into the game if they dislike Nintendo in general? They played it at a friends house and were taught how cool its mechanics were, and then picked a character who's mechanics were interesting. Like most fight games.
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i think its just kind of hosed up to dislike nintendo, in general
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laplace posted:They played it at a friends house and were taught how cool its mechanics were, and then picked a character who's mechanics were interesting. That makes me want to loving vomit.
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I don't like the hurricane sword with an eye on it. It kills me everytime and I cry. too op nerf please.
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Cake Attack posted:i think its just kind of hosed up
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TheKingofSprings posted:I wish someone would straight up tell him the thing he wants is literally impossible to achieve. Unless you remove or limit a player's ability to perform actions in the game, the more skilled player will do more effective actions and gain an advantage, regardless of the random poo poo that spawns. mabels big day posted:That makes me want to loving vomit.
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Sakurai's just really bad at explaining things, even in Japanese. He's a strange alien who's unable to fully grok human language.
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mabels big day posted:That makes me want to loving vomit. I wonder how often it happens in other games/genres. I guess I understand it and similarly wanting to like something like for example, Mario Kart but can't get into the specific veneer the games are coated in. Or like how some people might really be into the mechanics of Bayonetta the game, but are put off by Bayonetta herself for some reason.
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I mean, no one plays Street Fighter because of the story. A lot of people play JRPGs because they like turn based combat. It's not that weird to play Smash because you like playing it rather than because it has Link in it. Alternatively, lots of people play games just because they have characters they like. It goes both ways, but I think there's a lot to be said about having good enough mechanics that stand out moreso than just whatever character or aesthetic is in at the time. Soul Calibur 2 is a pretty good example, lots of people just bought that game because it had Link in it, but it held up because it was... just a good game with excellent gameplay systems that people still play. I think that's where a lot of the competitive community have frustrations, they feel Smash 4, while better than brawl, still doesn't have the kind of depth that makes it a good party game AND a good, long lasting competitive game. At least, that's what most of the complaints I read/hear are like.
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Viewtiful Jew posted:I wonder how often it happens in other games/genres. I guess I understand it and similarly wanting to like something like for example, Mario Kart but can't get into the specific veneer the games are coated in. Or like how some people might really be into the mechanics of Bayonetta the game, but are put off by Bayonetta herself for some reason.
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laplace posted:I mean, no one plays Street Fighter because of the story. A lot of people play JRPGs because they like turn based combat. It's not that weird to play Smash because you like playing it rather than because it has Link in it. i thought people bought it because ivy has huge fuckin tits
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Street Fighter's storyline is one of honor and friendship and I would personally rank it higher than The Great Gatsby
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Kewpuh posted:i thought people bought it because ivy has huge fuckin tits that too 
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