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bull3964 posted:Keep in mind that the execs at ABC are probably not marketing it well. They likely view it as a way to boost the Fixed that for you, though hopefully the show isn't entirely about Haley Atwell fighting comically outdated sexism or its going to get boring quick.
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ToastyPotato posted:The more I've seen of Agent Carter the less excited I've been. They keep billing this as a television event, but they have shown dick all of the story. I have no idea what this is about other than Agent Carter is a woman who can fight and no one takes her seriously and she is leading a double life abloo bloo bloo. I'm getting kind of worried that this show is going to have gently caress all to do with AoS at this rate, let alone anything else. The pilot is getting good reviews across the board, and I don't see what it not having anything to do with SHIELD (which it likely won't, Easter eggs aside) has to do with its actual quality. Though I am disappointed that it doesn't seem to be making more use of Marvel's Golden Age characters, given that nearly all of them ought to be free for the show to use.
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Barry Convex posted:Though I am disappointed that it doesn't seem to be making more use of Marvel's Golden Age characters, given that nearly all of them ought to be free for the show to use. Gotta save them for that Invaders movie in 2031
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Jan 2, 2015 22:54
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Jan 2, 2015 22:59
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Barry Convex posted:The pilot is getting good reviews across the board, and I don't see what it not having anything to do with SHIELD (which it likely won't, Easter eggs aside) has to do with its actual quality. 8 hours of Carter beating up random people and solving random cases is not going to make a lot of money for Disney. If the show doesn't having anything to do with anything, then people are going to get really bored, really quickly and it will bomb. There is no shortage of action shows on TV. I agree about the golden age characters entirely though. I only bring up AOS because this season they have heavily referenced Agent Carter, even having her cameo more than once, which is why it is weird to me that none of the promotional materials for Agent Carter seem to want to tie the show into AOS even slightly. I wouldn't care about it tying into AOS if it made use of its time period and had a good, solid, meaningful story to tell. I am just not interested in the random adventures Agent Carter.
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Jan 2, 2015 23:01
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Kheldarn posted:It starts this coming Tuesday, and will be in AoS's slot until it's over, and then AoS will resume. I could have sworn it was the 8th in all the ads.
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Jan 2, 2015 23:01
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twistedmentat posted:I could have sworn it was the 8th in all the ads. Maybe outside of the US? All the promo stuff I've seen is 1/6/15, and my DVR confirms that date.
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Jan 2, 2015 23:08
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Barry Convex posted:Though I am disappointed that it doesn't seem to be making more use of Marvel's Golden Age characters, given that nearly all of them ought to be free for the show to use.  And Sub-Mariner even though Universal somehow has those rights
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Jan 2, 2015 23:10
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ToastyPotato posted:I only bring up AOS because this season they have heavily referenced Agent Carter, even having her cameo more than once, which is why it is weird to me that none of the promotional materials for Agent Carter seem to want to tie the show into AOS even slightly. I wouldn't care about it tying into AOS if it made use of its time period and had a good, solid, meaningful story to tell. I am just not interested in the random adventures Agent Carter. This makes sense if they're trying to bring in a new crowd. If they're trying to attract people who don't already watch AoS, then I can see why they'd want to spin Carter as a new show that isn't tied down with connections to something else, and that it's a good jumping on point. Then once you have 'em watching, start throwing in some connections and hope some of those viewers transfer over to SHIELD. edit: achillesforever6 posted:I want the original Human Torch drat it I'm pretty sure the latest info from Feige is that's not really the case. IGN asked if Universal could make a Namor movie and he flat out told them no, if a Namor movie got made it'd be Marvel making it, but he also said that there's still come complicated old contract poo poo to sort out before anything goes forward. http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/07/18/kevin-feige-talks-guardians-of-the-galaxy-the-avengers-the-sub-mariner Also yes goddamn original Torch and Namor are loving the greatest. Maybe Carter could include the Golden Age Ghost Rider, I believe one of Quake's Secret Warriors teammates is his grandson or something. XboxPants fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Jan 2, 2015 |
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Jan 2, 2015 23:12
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Kheldarn posted:Maybe outside of the US? All the promo stuff I've seen is 1/6/15, and my DVR confirms that date. You know, I was probably seeing January 6th at 8 as January 8th. Much better!
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Jan 2, 2015 23:19
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ToastyPotato posted:8 hours of Carter beating up random people and solving random cases is not going to make a lot of money for Disney. If the show doesn't having anything to do with anything, then people are going to get really bored, really quickly and it will bomb. There is no shortage of action shows on TV. Given SHIELD's ratings and the lingering negativity around the show from S1 (regardless of whether it's deserved anymore, it's a reality), if I were ABC, I wouldn't want to tie Agent Carter too closely to it either. I'm also not sure where you're getting this idea that we know nothing about the story - the official plot synopsis, released back in October, is right here: quote:When old acquaintance Howard Stark (Dominic Cooper, Marvel's "Captain America: The First Avenger”) finds himself being framed for unleashing his deadliest weapons to anyone willing to pony up the cash, he contacts Peggy - the only person he can trust - to track down those responsible, dispose of the weapons and clear his name. He empowers his butler, Edwin Jarvis (James D'Arcy, “Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World”), to be at her beck and call when needed to help assist her as she investigates and tracks down those responsible for selling these weapons of mass destruction. But Jarvis, who is a creature of habit and sticks to a rigid daily routine, is going to have to make some major life changes if he’s going to be able to keep up with Peggy. Rarity posted:Gotta save them for that Invaders movie in 2031 I'm wondering whether it's something like that, whether the showrunners just wanted to make a more grounded show, whether there's some big twist being kept secret like (say) Chad Michael Murray's character being MCU Jim Hammond, or whether Marvel Studios imposed some asinine rule about Captain America being the only superhero allowed in this time period. Funny thing is, I recall an interview from SDCC where the showrunners implied they were pretty free to use Golden Age characters, but right now that doesn't seem to be the case. Barry Convex fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Jan 2, 2015 |
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Jan 2, 2015 23:30
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Would be kind of funny if one of the things teased is that Stark had begun work on the original Human Torch. XboxPants posted:This makes sense if they're trying to bring in a new crowd. If they're trying to attract people who don't already watch AoS, then I can see why they'd want to spin Carter as a new show that isn't tied down with connections to something else, and that it's a good jumping on point. Then once you have 'em watching, start throwing in some connections and hope some of those viewers transfer over to SHIELD. Universal probably has some distribution rights still tangled up, even if they lost the production/development rights. I was watching Incredible Hulk the other day and was kind of shocked to see the other logos pop up before the movie. Kind of forgot that back then they weren't 100% Disney yet. I agree on the not wanting to taint the new show with AOS continuity thing, it just sucks that there hasn't been a separate trailer released online or something for more dedicated fans. All of the commercials and videos definitely seem aimed at capturing a completely new audience.
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Jan 3, 2015 00:02
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ToastyPotato posted:Universal probably has some distribution rights still tangled up, even if they lost the production/development rights. I was watching Incredible Hulk the other day and was kind of shocked to see the other logos pop up before the movie. Kind of forgot that back then they weren't 100% Disney yet. Ooooh right, I forgot about that as well, I could easily see that being the situation.
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Jan 3, 2015 01:05
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ToastyPotato posted:Would be kind of funny if one of the things teased is that Stark had begun work on the original Human Torch. Probably not gonna happen. 
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Inkspot posted:Probably not gonna happen. I hadn't realized someone else's name was attached to it in that scene. There's plenty of room for retconning and such though. The show presents a unique opportunity to explore the Marvel Golden Age and I know it is too much to expect anything to come of it, but I can dream.
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Jan 3, 2015 02:59
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What's important is that if they manage to include all of the howling commandos as her buddies like that flashbacks in Agents of Shield have shown, then maybe we'll finally get a chance to see Union Jack in the fuckin Union Jack suit.
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Jan 3, 2015 12:27
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FirstAidKite posted:What's important is that if they manage to include all of the howling commandos as her buddies like that flashbacks in Agents of Shield have shown, then maybe we'll finally get a chance to see Union Jack in the fuckin Union Jack suit. Get that monster of human being Tom Hopper from Black sails as Union Jack, Lord Forearms Falsworth
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XboxPants posted:That's loving fantastic that they used Ross & Busiek's Marvels for that. Such a great book, and it was more or less framed as an in-universe book so it really works that it would exist in some form for lil Coulson to read. It's fanservice, but I love it. ToastyPotato posted:How the hell old is Coulson supposed to be then (in the comics)? Wouldn't him having that book as a kid mean he is younger than Spider-Man? I'm just guessing that was just a nice little nod since they focused on the Human Torch part of it.
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Jan 3, 2015 13:31
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I'm hoping the big bad at the end turns out to be Zemo I.
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Barry Convex posted:Given SHIELD's ratings and the lingering negativity around the show from S1 (regardless of whether it's deserved anymore, it's a reality), if I were ABC, I wouldn't want to tie Agent Carter too closely to it either. I don't see anything mentioning the Howling Commandos.  I do hope we get them on the show, I need more Neal Mcdonough on my tv.
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Barry Convex posted:I'm wondering whether it's something like that, whether the showrunners just wanted to make a more grounded show, whether there's some big twist being kept secret like (say) Chad Michael Murray's character being MCU Jim Hammond, or whether Marvel Studios imposed some asinine rule about Captain America being the only superhero allowed in this time period. I don't know why that's asinine. It kinda kills the specialness of Captain America when you've got a bunch of other dudes, all with way crazier powers, flying around then too. I honestly was never too keen on anything set in Marvel WWII that had more than like Cap, Bucky, and maybe Wolverine doing anything. I like Cap being the first superhero for the most part, or at least like only one that is World War II vet.
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BlackJosh posted:I don't know why that's asinine. It kinda kills the specialness of Captain America when you've got a bunch of other dudes, all with way crazier powers, flying around then too. I honestly was never too keen on anything set in Marvel WWII that had more than like Cap, Bucky, and maybe Wolverine doing anything. I like Cap being the first superhero for the most part, or at least like only one that is World War II vet. Captain American Exceptionalism?
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BlackJosh posted:I don't know why that's asinine. It kinda kills the specialness of Captain America when you've got a bunch of other dudes, all with way crazier powers, flying around then too. I honestly was never too keen on anything set in Marvel WWII that had more than like Cap, Bucky, and maybe Wolverine doing anything. I like Cap being the first superhero for the most part, or at least like only one that is World War II vet. Well, keep in mind that while there were some more fantastical, "super" heroes like the original Torch and Vision, a lot of the golden age WWII era heroes were closer to being The Phantom-esque pulp heroes, like the original Ghost Rider whose only power outside of "horse" and "pistol" was "shiny outfit". Many of those All-Winners Squad era heroes were pretty down to earth, and even when they had a power, they maybe could just fly a bit or something. Like, even the Whizzer, Marvel's Golden Age Speedster, could only achieve maybe 100mph or so. That's my interpretation anyway, and continuity & IP from that era is such a mess that I think it's fair game to interpret that age however the hell you want and no one can tell you you're "wrong". 
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BlackJosh posted:I don't know why that's asinine. It kinda kills the specialness of Captain America when you've got a bunch of other dudes, all with way crazier powers, flying around then too. I honestly was never too keen on anything set in Marvel WWII that had more than like Cap, Bucky, and maybe Wolverine doing anything. I like Cap being the first superhero for the most part, or at least like only one that is World War II vet. That's actually a fair point. It's just unfortunate that it renders so many characters associated with that time period unusable, or at least a lot harder to use (perhaps the Invaders operated secretly in the MCU?).
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The success of Captain America should have been encouraging enough for other countries to try making their own superhumans, kinda like that courtroom scene from Iron Man 2. They've already got the robot Human Torch. A few more attempts, especially after they lost Cap, wouldn't be uncalled for. I'd watch a One-Shot about The Whizzer if I weren't certain it would just end up retreading most of the themes of Agent Carter. A bunch of SSR suits laughing about how someone actually let them put him in a yellow suit with a fin on top.
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Inkspot posted:The success of Captain America should have been encouraging enough for other countries to try making their own superhumans, kinda like that courtroom scene from Iron Man 2. They've already got the robot Human Torch. A few more attempts, especially after they lost Cap, wouldn't be uncalled for. Losing Cap and particularly the super soldier serum is the premise behind Truth: Red, White & Black. They just won't address that story because it's really politically contentious. Though, one aspect of that story is that the events were mostly unknown because the government silenced them. That concept could gloss over a lot; Cap was a propaganda tool, so people definitely heard about him. But as long as the Whizzer or whatever weird poo poo from that period was silenceable, they could just say it was kept classified for [reasons]. From its inception, SSR / SHIELD is a HYDRA-infested black ops shadow government...erased history is definitely in its wheelhouse.
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Inkspot posted:The success of Captain America should have been encouraging enough for other countries to try making their own superhumans, kinda like that courtroom scene from Iron Man 2. They've already got the robot Human Torch. A few more attempts, especially after they lost Cap, wouldn't be uncalled for. They did try to remake Captain America and that got you Hulk. I would not be shocked if a Captain America movie had him dealing with some of those failed experiments.
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bobkatt013 posted:They did try to remake Captain America and that got you Hulk. I would not be shocked if a Captain America movie had him dealing with some of those failed experiments. Yeah, I so wish they'd actually grow the balls to make Truth into a standalone movie. Because it's kind of the best version of what you're talking about. Essentially, after Erskine's serum is lost, the US government struggles to reproduce it and performs involuntary Tuskegee experiment-esque tests on black soldiers, which kill some and gently caress the rest up. Then, the survivors are dispatched to fight in WW2, are belittled by white GI's because of their race, and despite their heroism are totally excised from history until being exonerated decades after the fact. But I can't see Marvel attempting anything remotely incisive in that way.
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I don't remember it being brought up in season 1 of SHIELD, but in Iron Man 3, wasn't Extremis an attempt to recreate the serum?
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Yeah, I don't imagine we'll get an Isaiah Bradley movie, but there are lots of things to experiment with besides Erskine's formula. If what happened with Cap hadn't worked, the SSR would have moved on to one of a dozen other plans. Read the first issue of SHIELD. It is as awkward as I expected. Possibly more. Coulson being a strategic repository for all superhero knowledge is a good use of the character, though.
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A dumb question, but wasn't there some Super-Soldier Serum left during the Ed Norton Hulk film? They gave a little bit to Tim Roth, which turned him into a really awesome fighter and survivor of bootings.
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Apoplexy posted:A dumb question, but wasn't there some Super-Soldier Serum left during the Ed Norton Hulk film? They gave a little bit to Tim Roth, which turned him into a really awesome fighter and survivor of bootings. Yes. They mentioned that the hulk was working with the gamma part of the experiment. They injected it into Tim Roth and he wanted more of it and you got Abomination.
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AndyP posted:I don't remember it being brought up in season 1 of SHIELD, but in Iron Man 3, wasn't Extremis an attempt to recreate the serum? I saw it more as a "well intended tech meant to heal people gets corrupted by evil corporation, who uses it to try to make tons of money and do evil things." AIM was probably fine with just developing a grow your arm back treatment, but once people started blowing up and getting superpowers they just kind of rolled with it. They probably made an offhand comment about it being the biggest discovery since the super soldier serum, but marvel loves to do that sort of thing. The early Ultimate comic book universe is basically nothing but people trying to recreate the super soldier serum, if you want to get your fix on that.
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The Super Soldier Serum is really stupid in Marvel comics. They're constantly trying to recreate it when there are any number of things that make much, much better heroes. Captain America is one of the weakest members of the Avengers and the things that make him who he is are from Steve Rogers, not the Serum.
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It was an SSS in the comics, but i think it was independent of the Cap SSS. Pretty sure Tony modified it for himself though. Extremis book is pretty loving great.
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Aphrodite posted:The Super Soldier Serum is really stupid in Marvel comics. Generally, at least in The MCU, all of those things have a downside. The SSS and Stark suits are the only really reliable source of powers currently, and Stark's suit is too expensive to mass produce effectively as far as anyone can tell.
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Moriatti posted:Generally, at least in The MCU, all of those things have a downside. The SSS and Stark suits are the only really reliable source of powers currently, and Stark's suit is too expensive to mass produce effectively as far as anyone can tell. He also has a nasty habit of going around and taking it back when he feels like it, or making you pay.
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And let's be honest, they have never shown themselves to be that reliable. The most reliable they have ever been was in Avengers. I think its cool that the next film will directly involve his engineering as creating a major problem.
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True! Though also worth noting is that the good guys stopped trying to recreate the SSS because they realized the whole "magnifies what's inside" thing. Which makes sense given how different Blonsky and Banner ended up.
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