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Wolfsbane posted:Up to 5 so far, can we make it all the way to 20?  On to relevant politics: PostNouveau posted:Here's the GOP's initial agenda for the new session:
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joeburz posted:The bill's proponents are likely going to talk about the veterans having adequate healthcare from their veteran's status, but neglecting to mention how the GOP doesn't give two shits for VA funding or the actual health of the veterans. So the Republicans are going to make it so my status as a veteran will make it easier for an employer to deny me healthcare? What a great plan.
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I'm still trying to wrap my head around that one: we're going to encourage companies to hire more veterans... because those companies can then remain fully staffed... without providing healthcare... to the veterans they just hired. I guess the veterans themselves aren't supposed to mind because they're covered by the VA? Is that a common attitude amongst veterans with options beyond what the military provides? Because at the moment this just sounds like comically inept villainy.
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Jan 3, 2015 21:22
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Gounads posted:I wonder what it will actually do on the other end. If you have a mythical company that doesn't want to provide insurance, it's a lot easier to chop off 1 hour to get employees down to 39 than it is to chop off 11 to get them to 29.
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I don't really care much about Keystone either, except you know it'll be built shittily by overpaid contractors and eventually turn into a giant ecological disaster. I don't think people are as easily duped by bills' names as you guys think. Like, every bill has one of those bullshit Save Americans Lives Forever Act names. Nobody's mad at the GOP for opposing the Affordable Care Act. Why do they hate affordable care so much?
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Rangpur posted:I'm still trying to wrap my head around that one: we're going to encourage companies to hire more veterans... because those companies can then remain fully staffed... without providing healthcare... to the veterans they just hired. I guess the veterans themselves aren't supposed to mind because they're covered by the VA? Is that a common attitude amongst veterans with options beyond what the military provides? Because at the moment this just sounds like comically inept villainy. Most veterans avoid going to the VA if they can help it since it has a somewhat deserved reputation for offering substandard care. You mainly see really old, poor, non-retirees there.
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Rangpur posted:I'm still trying to wrap my head around that one: we're going to encourage companies to hire more veterans... because those companies can then remain fully staffed... without providing healthcare... to the veterans they just hired. I guess the veterans themselves aren't supposed to mind because they're covered by the VA? Is that a common attitude amongst veterans with options beyond what the military provides? Because at the moment this just sounds like comically inept villainy. For fun, it also pegs the value of being a veteran equal to the amount of the penalty. e: double-fun will be when a company offers health insurance to everyone except veterans.
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Jan 3, 2015 21:25
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PostNouveau posted:I don't really care much about Keystone either, except you know it'll be built shittily by overpaid contractors and eventually turn into a giant ecological disaster. Why do you care that one company is going to get ripped off be another company, exactly? Were you under the impression Keystone XL was a government project?
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Nintendo Kid posted:Why do you care that one company is going to get ripped off be another company, exactly? Were you under the impression Keystone XL was a government project? I don't. It's just a general statement on the incompetence I'd expect from what look to be a giant boondoggle. But it will create like, 50 permanent jobs or whatever, so full steam ahead!
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I just realized that a gallon of gas where I live is under $2.30. If he were president right now, how  would be?
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PostNouveau posted:I don't. It's just a general statement on the incompetence I'd expect from what look to be a giant boondoggle. Seeing as how no other part of the Keystone project has been a "boondoggle" why do you think this one branch of it will? Literally the only thing remarkable about it is that since it has to cross an international border, it got into extra politics. William Bear posted:I just realized that a gallon of gas where I live is under $2.30. Over here, it's under $1.90
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PostNouveau posted:Did you guys all go to the Magnet School for Whitenoise Posting? Who cares what your school did about AP classes? I'm honestly curious how they're going to spin holding back funding for the department of homeland security. I seem to remember that department having a few more functions than just immigration
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Nintendo Kid posted:Seeing as how no other part of the Keystone project has been a "boondoggle" why do you think this one branch of it will? Literally the only thing remarkable about it is that since it has to cross an international border, it got into extra politics. Because we've had other recent pipelines leak the stuff that it'll be transporting, and it's caused billions in cleanup costs and illnesses. This one will be even bigger and run across more important pieces of land. I just don't trust energy firms to give a poo poo that their mistakes on this one could pollute a shitload of important stuff.
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Obama's being so dictatorial power grab prevented the GOP from funding the DHS, any and all terrorist incidents that occur due to underfunding are his fault. Further, given Obama knew this to be the case it is highly likely he deliberately caused this to happen so as to aid his Muslim brothers.
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Gounads posted:If you have a mythical company that doesn't want to provide insurance, it's a lot easier to chop off 1 hour to get employees down to 39 than it is to chop off 11 to get them to 29. That's the point. Hire a bunch of people, work them 40+ hours, but force them to clock in as 39 so you don't have to give them health insurance.
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PostNouveau posted:Because we've had other recent pipelines leak the stuff that it'll be transporting, and it's caused billions in cleanup costs and illnesses. This one will be even bigger and run across more important pieces of land. I just don't trust energy firms to give a poo poo that their mistakes on this one could pollute a shitload of important stuff. But none of those leaks have been from the pipelines operated and built by the company building and operating phase 4 of the Keystone project. Their other pripelines in the Keystone network have not had any issues.
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Nintendo Kid posted:But none of those leaks have been from the pipelines operated and built by the company building and operating phase 4 of the Keystone project. Their other pripelines in the Keystone network have not had any issues. How many mile-years have they been running those pipelines? What's the average failure rate of a pipeline per mile-year?
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ComradeCosmobot posted:How many mile-years have they been running those pipelines? What's the average failure rate of a pipeline per mile-year? Why don't you go look that up? Phase 1's been delivering on its 2200 mile route since 2010 with no issues. Phase 2 and 3's smaller linking routes have also operated just fine since 2011 and 2014.
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Nintendo Kid posted:But none of those leaks have been from the pipelines operated and built by the company building and operating phase 4 of the Keystone project. Their other pripelines in the Keystone network have not had any issues. That just doesn't allay my fears. It's a project that would have to run perfectly forever, and no one is trustworthy enough for that, especially not an energy services firm.
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PostNouveau posted:That just doesn't allay my fears. It's a project that would have to run perfectly forever, and no one is trustworthy enough for that, especially not an energy services firm. And you trust the trucks and railroads crossing over the same general areas more because... why exactly? And you're not aware of the pipelines that already cross the aquifer et al?
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Haha, man, even in Canada our Conservative government hates veterans, what the hell is wrong with the conservative movement right now.
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PostNouveau posted:I don't really care much about Keystone either, except you know it'll be built shittily by overpaid contractors and eventually turn into a giant ecological disaster. I think you mean  OBAMACARE!!!! that they relabeled successfully.
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Kafka Esq. posted:Haha, man, even in Canada our Conservative government hates veterans, what the hell is wrong with the conservative movement right now. 1) More money for us 2) gently caress you
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Kafka Esq. posted:Haha, man, even in Canada our Conservative government hates veterans, what the hell is wrong with the conservative movement right now. The American conservative movement loves veterans as a political cudgel and a means to procure military-industrial complex dollars, but beyond that they couldn't give two shits.
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Rangpur posted:I'm still trying to wrap my head around that one: we're going to encourage companies to hire more veterans... because those companies can then remain fully staffed... without providing healthcare... to the veterans they just hired. I guess the veterans themselves aren't supposed to mind because they're covered by the VA? Is that a common attitude amongst veterans with options beyond what the military provides? Because at the moment this just sounds like comically inept villainy. I think you understand it perfectly.
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Rangpur posted:I was afraid of that. The biggest loving welfare queens I have ever met in my life are all veterans. Or ex cops / law enforcement.
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Is it even worth building Keystone XL right now? Could the Republicans approve it and then Keystone go '... naaah, don't want it anymore.'
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Warcabbit posted:Is it even worth building Keystone XL right now? Could the Republicans approve it and then Keystone go '... naaah, don't want it anymore.' I guess it depends on who pays for it. You have to realize, a lot of it is already built. All they really need to do is connect it and let the oil flow.
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Hodgepodge posted:No matter what the intent, "let's talk less about a genocidal act and more about two broad topics, one of which is entirely about white people and could be talked about in virtually any context and one of which involves covering numerous wars, international diplomacy, trade, etc," ends up being apologia for genocide. We talk too much about the Holocaust too and the Trail of Tears, really is an afterthought in the history of America. Sorry if that crimps your big blubbery vagina but its the truth. Dare I say that the presidential/Supreme Court aspect of it had much more effect on this country than the awful conditions on the trail. It effected approximately three states (Georgia, North Carolina and Oklahoma) and there aren't many direct survivors of it. History should be talked as being A) endemic of many similar events which were occurring over a broader period of time and B) in a way that students should be able to use it and apply it to their own situations. Focusing just on what life was like being herded by cavalrymen while your friends and family died is useless wankery.
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joeburz posted:The American conservative movement loves veterans as a political cudgel and a means to procure military-industrial complex dollars, but beyond that they couldn't give two shits. Like the environment conservatives feel veterans should be able to take one more for the team. And one more. And one more. And one more.
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Warcabbit posted:Is it even worth building Keystone XL right now? Could the Republicans approve it and then Keystone go '... naaah, don't want it anymore.' OIL CO: "Thanks, Obama!" Dem filibuster saves oil co millions, CEO pledges unconditional support
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For something a bit lighter Wearing your hoodie in public could soon cost you up to a $500 fine quote:The cold Oklahoma weather has many sporting hoodies outside to help fight the cold, but wearing a hood in a public place could soon be against the law. The idea of banning hoods is not new to Oklahoma, right now, there is a law banning hoods during crimes that’s been around since the 20’s. It was originally drafted to help combat crimes from the Klu-Klux-Klan, but people we spoke with say a new amendment of banning hoodies in public could open doors to a bigger problem. They’re a common closet find, the hoodie. Is it just because I'm in the Bible Belt or are stupid laws more common outside of Oklahoma/Texas?
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Lightning Jim posted:For something a bit lighter Didn't they try to pass laws like these in the UK years ago?
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Rangpur posted:I'm still trying to wrap my head around that one: we're going to encourage companies to hire more veterans... because those companies can then remain fully staffed... without providing healthcare... to the veterans they just hired. I guess the veterans themselves aren't supposed to mind because they're covered by the VA? Is that a common attitude amongst veterans with options beyond what the military provides? Because at the moment this just sounds like comically inept villainy. Reminder that if you have a full time job you will be paying for your VA treatment. Yeah, this is your standard "gently caress em" republican bill
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Cliff Racer posted:We talk too much about the Holocaust too and the Trail of Tears, really is an afterthought in the history of America. Sorry if that crimps your big blubbery vagina but its the truth. Dare I say that the presidential/Supreme Court aspect of it had much more effect on this country than the awful conditions on the trail. It effected approximately three states (Georgia, North Carolina and Oklahoma) and there aren't many direct survivors of it. History should be talked as being A) endemic of many similar events which were occurring over a broader period of time and B) in a way that students should be able to use it and apply it to their own situations. Focusing just on what life was like being herded by cavalrymen while your friends and family died is useless wankery. Yeah, the experiences of actual native people are "useless wankery", let's talk more about what white guys were doing. Nothing makes history relatable to teenagers like relentless focus on the institutions controlled by most powerful at the expense of the experiences of the oppressed. Those people who died are best represented as a series of numbers and statistics, not as real people whose experiences can be empathized with and understood as human beings. In three days, context is likely to be touched upon. This is a high-school level course, and getting the idea that America has done some very bad things through to students is already something that faces heavy resistance. Abstracting that further obscures the nature of the acts which were perpetrated. And the two subjects you mentioned are best integrated into the course as a whole, because they are relevant to the entire scope of American history. You are proposing that what little representation of the voices of the victims is made available to the general public be silenced. You may think you are being high-minded, but your proposal obscures genocidal acts and refocuses the conversation away from the atrocities perpetrated and reduces what agency the victims had- which was to leave records of their experiences to speak to future generations. e3: Doing this- giving the oppressed a voice- is literally the first priority of every contemporary historian who writes about oppressed and marginalized people, and this is doubly true for those who are members of the oppressed groups. This is the exact opposite of what progressive historians seek to do, and the opposite of what actual native historians have strove for academically. e: then again, you think an act of genocide is an "afterthought" in American history, which is bald-faced racism. Sorry if that makes you think that I am like a woman, which you consider an insult. e2: while we are making insulting metaphors, you are one step above a Holocaust denier. As a history grad student, I can assure you that your "truth" would likely get you expelled from a graduate level program. Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Jan 4, 2015 |
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So Georgia's unemployment rate is pretty bad, despite (or maybe because of) the whole "get gubmint out of the way and let the private sector do its thing!" and tax cuts business.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:So Georgia's unemployment rate is pretty bad, despite (or maybe because of) the whole "get gubmint out of the way and let the private sector do its thing!" and tax cuts business. Surprised it neglects what happened to GA's agriculture sector after they passed their own "immigrant" law
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:So Georgia's unemployment rate is pretty bad, despite (or maybe because of) the whole "get gubmint out of the way and let the private sector do its thing!" and tax cuts business. So happy I left. gently caress Georgia and the south in general. That state happily reelected a criminal shithead as well.
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