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Random Stranger posted:I am shocked that right after they produced such fine stories as The Mark of the Rani, Timelash, and Revelation of the Daleks, what they had planned as a follow up could be bad. I honestly believe the reasoning behind their mindset was "Well, it was meant to be on TV, which means it counts, which automatically makes it better."
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Davros1 posted:What's worse is I've been on forums with people who hated Colin's Doctor, and would refuse to listen to any of his Big Finish stories, but would finally relent for the Lost Stories. I never hear anything about it, but The Eternal Summer is one of my favorite audios. Fine, moving plot, but most importantly it's got great, well-rounded, memorable characters. Like, by far the best supporting cast in any story I've heard. It's also apparently the middle of a trilogy, but whatever, it stands fine on its own.
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Rat Flavoured Rats posted:That would have been much more interesting than what we got in it's place. And far creepier. On paper that sounds pretty horrible and not fitting with the Doctor at all, but I assume the end result of the story would be Jack discovering he had the wrong end of the stick and had misinterpreted what was going on.
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Jerusalem posted:On paper that sounds pretty horrible and not fitting with the Doctor at all, but I assume the end result of the story would be Jack discovering he had the wrong end of the stick and had misinterpreted what was going on. Originally the Doctor was the source of Bad Wolf and he was manipulating Rose into looking into the TARDIS so as to travel back into the Time War and wipe the Dalek's out of existence, something he couldn't do as it was part of his timeline.
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Jerusalem posted:On paper that sounds pretty horrible and not fitting with the Doctor at all, but I assume the end result of the story would be Jack discovering he had the wrong end of the stick and had misinterpreted what was going on. It seems pretty 7th Doctor to me.
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DoctorWhat posted:Yeah it's a really good job. Doesn't update super-often but it's quality. gently caress, those things scared the crap out of me when it was first shown and I was a little boy. Almost as much as that one time the doctor was pulled apart in some kind of machine he stepped into.
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:gently caress, those things scared the crap out of me when it was first shown and I was a little boy. Almost as much as that one time the doctor was pulled apart in some kind of machine he stepped into. The Leisure Hive?
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Jerusalem posted:Jack discovering he had the wrong end of the stick Not likely to happen. 
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Here's a video of Horror movie host, Svengoolie (Known as Son of Svengoolie in the 80s), interviewing Pertwee for the TARDIS 21 Convention in 1984. It has some funny awkwardness in it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGf3zWpjPGU (Also, Svengoolie is pretty fun if you like old horror hosts. Lots of cheesy gags and great old b-movies featured)
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On my plane ride, I heard the first set of the Companion Chronicles. They're actually kind of fun. I'm amazed at how well First and Second Doctor companions can still sound a bit like they used to (and even do a decent job of talking a bit like the Doctors they traveled with). The fourth one, in which the Fourth Doctor is excited about donuts, really brought me back to his era, even if a lot of it was a bit painting by the numbers.
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I am shocked, SHOCKED, that no one has posted this. There was a autistic boy in North Baddesley who grew up loving Doctor Who (his family are all fans). The boy, named Thomas, even wrote Capaldi, wishing him good luck in the role. Thomas' grandmother dies, and he is unable to take the grief, so... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZuNA8zMeSE
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I'm pretty sure someone has. At least I've seen it before and I'm pretty sure it was from one of our Who threads.
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Jsor posted:I'm pretty sure someone has. At least I've seen it before and I'm pretty sure it was from one of our Who threads. I looked in both this thread and the last, and didn't find it.
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Jsor posted:I'm pretty sure someone has. At least I've seen it before and I'm pretty sure it was from one of our Who threads. Same. And I could've sworn I've seen it in one of these threads. Remember, there used to be a thread per episode until recently...
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RunAndGun posted:Same. And I could've sworn I've seen it in one of these threads. Remember, there used to be a thread per episode until recently... The video was uploaded November 6, and I went forwards from there.
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CaptainYesterday posted:I am shocked, SHOCKED, that no one has posted this. I may not have talked about it on here, but I know I discussed it somewhere. It's a very nice video, and Capaldi is a very nice man for doing this.
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A link to an article with the video was posted, not the video itself. But either way, yeah, Capaldi's a pretty amazing guy for doing that.
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RunAndGun posted:The Leisure Hive? A quick GIS told me that it was indeed The Leisure Hive.
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I wasn't all that impressed with "The Leisure Hive" the first time I saw it, but it's grown on me a lot every time I've re watched it. The first serial with JNT in the producer's seat, I think.
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Metal Loaf posted:I wasn't all that impressed with "The Leisure Hive" the first time I saw it, but it's grown on me a lot every time I've re watched it. Another of the many serials I own on DVD and have never watched.
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Here's another piece of moderately amusing trivia: it's also one of the relative handful of early DVD releases (i.e. the discs are silver rather than having a picture printed on them) that never got a special edition re-release. Other examples include "The Dalek Invasion of Earth", "Pyramids of Mars", "Earthshock", "The Two Doctors" and "The Curse of Fenric".
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Metal Loaf posted:Here's another piece of moderately amusing trivia: it's also one of the relative handful of early DVD releases (i.e. the discs are silver rather than having a picture printed on them) that never got a special edition re-release. Other examples include "The Dalek Invasion of Earth", "Pyramids of Mars", "Earthshock", "The Two Doctors" and "The Curse of Fenric". A pity, because it's got one of the craziest behind the scenes stories (JNT and Bidmead wanting to do make the series less silly and more ambitious, the director trying to do complex cinematography and editing despite the legendarily low budget and rushed schedule, almost leading to JNT's firing) and I'd love to hear more about it. Plus it doesn't look like any other Doctor Who serial before or since, and deserves a good remaster. More here: http://www.shannonsullivan.com/drwho/serials/5n.html
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Bicyclops posted:On my plane ride, I heard the first set of the Companion Chronicles. They're actually kind of fun. I'm amazed at how well First and Second Doctor companions can still sound a bit like they used to (and even do a decent job of talking a bit like the Doctors they traveled with). The fourth one, in which the Fourth Doctor is excited about donuts, really brought me back to his era, even if a lot of it was a bit painting by the numbers. The Lost Stories and Early Adventures also have more early Doctor goodness. I'd thought I'd heard all the Jamie audios but then realized there were some Lost Stories with him doing his usual awesome Troughton imitation. I'm in the middle of the Queen of Time, and there's a great moment in it which is indicative of the detail they go to: the TARDIS crew arrives in a place full of clocks...clocks on the walls, grandfather clocks, cookoo clocks, sundials, pocketwatches hanging from the ceiling. Now you can just absolutely picture this as the exact sort of set dressing they'd have done in the 60s in an actual 2nd Doctor episode. Then though, they take it a step further by mentioning futuristic 3-D holographic clocks floating in the air, and it simultaneously gives it a modern sfx feel. There's a lot of that in these episodes, touches of old musical and sound effects cues, but then more modern references. It makes them a product of their times but with a modern bent. Amazing. Masters of Earth also did a nice job of conveying that future 2163 that looked like 1960 in Dalek Invasion of Earth but made it also a believable future from here, a good synthesis of a 60s and 80s episode made today.
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The Caretaker marks the moment in season 8 where the Clara/Danny romance subplot finally has real impact on the "main" storyline of the Doctor's adventures with Clara. The entire episode is about Clara's two worlds colliding, and when it focuses on the interactions between Clara, Danny and the Doctor it is at its absolute best. Being Doctor Who, there is of course an alien menace involved but while this supposedly serves as the impetus and parallels for the character interactions, it mostly works as a distraction and not a particularly engaging one, getting in the way of what really makes the episode work. It always feels weird to say something like this in relation to a show like Doctor Who, but you also have to suspend your disbelief a fair bit to accept some of the major plot points, such as Danny's almost sulky passivity after the stakes are made clear to him but his own (rather sensible from his perspective) suggestions on how to deal with it are rejected. Basically, this is an episode where your feelings on it probably hinge on whether you enjoy the Clara/Danny romance or not - I did, so it worked for me, but if the two leave you cold like many complain it did, then I can easily see this being one of the "worst" episodes of the season for you. The episode starts with Clara struggling to maintain her dual lives, shown with a number of neat visual transitions between her dates with Danny and her "dates" with the Doctor. It's well shot and edited and each scene flows smoothly into the other, but happens in such a short and rushed space of time that it successfully gets across the sense that Clara is harried and stressed by the pressure to maintain both these lives (and a full-time teaching job!). Seemingly reaching breaking point she looks at herself in the mirror, moans that she can't keep doing this... then braces herself and insists that she can. Eagerly returning to the TARDIS for her latest adventure then, she's surprised and a little put out when the Doctor dismisses her, explaining that he has some stuff he needs to deal with on his own. Given her controlling nature, she doesn't like being put aside like this even though she's been struggling to keep up and would seemingly welcome the break, but he eventually convinces her to take a week off to just enjoy her normal life. Despite her own reservations she accepts and, bumping into Danny, happily tells him that he doesn't need to worry about her seeming distracted and that for the next week or so she is "all his". This immediately has the effect of showing how Clara not only compartmentalizes these aspects of her life, but how her commitment to a full-time relationship with Danny is predicated on being forcibly removed from her "extra-curricular" activities with the Doctor. It should call into question for the viewer whether she is taking her relationship with Danny seriously or not, which in turn should make her blurting out that she loves him later in the episode have more impact, as it is clearly the first time she consciously realizes this fact.   The two head to the staff room where the headmaster is giving out instructions to the other teachers, then decides to introduce them to the new caretaker as the regular guy is away sick. The new caretaker is, of course, the Doctor, which is utterly hilarious because he is immensely proud of the fact he is successfully undercover even as he happily declares that everybody should just call him the Doctor, and even openly talks about how he has convinced them all he is just a boring old human being. Clara is mortified of course, wanting to know what the hell he is up to - importantly not just from a personal standpoint as her worlds collide, but out of a clearly genuine concern for the children in the school. The Doctor again insists that it's nothing that he can't deal with alone, and the interaction between the two is utterly brilliant as the Doctor's dialogue not only demonstrates his innate alienness, but also his rather bemused (almost bordering on contempt) take on human traditions. He also comes across as both childish and old, as he gets muddled up in his efforts to mollify Clara and ends up mixing up a story about living with a colony of otters (well, sulking, as he'd had a big fight with River) and his insistence that Clara go take part in the school assembly, telling her happily to go and sing with the otters. There is a sense of the Doctor not quite grasping the niceties of human behavior, and since we know from prior incarnations that he CAN, it leads me to believe that this is down to a mixture of no longer being bothered about getting it right, or figuring that most humans are so wrapped up in their own little worlds that he needn't even bother with the pretense any more because they're either not going to notice him or just dismiss him as mad. It can be a fine line for a character to tread because it's easy to see him as arrogant or foolish, but I think the show does a pretty good job of showing that the Doctor basically has social niceties (for anybody he's not already close to) very low on his priority list, because he's more focused on the immediate danger or something of particular interest to HIM. Yes it is somewhat self-serving, but Capaldi has the charisma and warmth to make it work in a way that poor Colin Baker never really got the chance to demonstrate during his run on the show.   The requisite alien threat of this episode comes from a Skovox Blitzer, an alien we've never seen before but which the Doctor proclaims to be amongst the deadliest soldiers in the universe. Just saying it doesn't make it so, and even though the Doctor says that it has the arsenal to destroy the entire planet (which is ridiculously overpowered for a SINGLE soldier) it never really comes across as in any way being a particular threat. If anything it serves as a distraction to the actual major storyline of Clara's worlds colliding, and I can't help but feel that the story would have been better served by removing it entirely. I posted at the time the episode aired that I would have been happier if the Doctor himself had been the "threat" he was dealing with and I stand by that now - he even says himself the Blitzer was drawn to the area by the build-up of Artron Emissions from the Doctor's many trips to the area, and you could keep the basic structure of the story with no issues (including the little "mines" he places around the school, and Danny's inadvertent screwing with the plan). Have the Doctor cleaning up the mess HE had made would have made his role as "Caretaker" make even more sense, and the only reason to really have the Blitzer around, to mirror the Officer/Soldier dynamic Danny complains about, could have still been included with just some minor tweaks. That's my thoughts on the matter anyway, did anybody actually think the Blitzer added anything to the story? It basically looks like a paraplegic Garrus from Mass Effect, and its fat-bottomed scuttling and inability to hit anybody except a fat community police officer kind of belie the notion it is a planet-killer. Though to be fair, maybe it was so in awe of Danny's utterly bizarre super-flip that it left itself open to being talked into shutting down by the Doctor. Interestingly, this is the first robot/cyborg in season 8 to NOT be killed (technically Psi as well, but he was an ally as opposed to an enemy), as the Doctor simply leaves it to drift in hibernation mode in deep space, eventually to return to its long war. I wonder if this "failure" to kill the creature accounts for the otherwise unexplained huffy mood we find Missy in during the epilogue to the episode, which also introduces Chris Addison (Ollie from The Thick of It) as some kind of "workplace" acquaintance. It's the first time we see Missy not putting on her gloriously mad act, and I certainly found it intriguing - given what we eventually learn about her, I do like to think she was irritated that the Doctor didn't provide yet another potential recruit in the army that Missy was putting together for HIS benefit.   But really the heart of this story is the Doctor/Clara/Danny interactions, and for me at least they're REALLY good. The Doctor is properly introduced to Danny by another teacher called Adrian, and learns that he was a soldier. The Doctor instantly dismisses Danny in his mind as just another unimaginative clod who is focused on the physical, a shoot-first and never even bother to ask questions later type. It's completely unfair, condescending, and offensive but the Doctor seems to be of the mindset that there is no point in being nice to Danny because he's not "worthy" of being nice. It's a grating thing for the Doctor to do, especially given the close friendships he has had with other soldiers in the past, but the revival has also shown us how upset the Doctor gets at the notion of soldiers, particularly the idea that he himself is one. So when the shoe is on the other foot and Danny is in HIS face mocking him for being a soldier (or more importantly, defining him as an OFFICER) it is somewhat gratifying to see how much he doesn't like it. The Doctor insists that Danny is a PE Teacher because he can't reconcile in his mind the idea of a soldier being a maths teacher (what if he knows how many beans make 5, Doctor?  ), which is unfortunate in that it is possible though surely not intended to read this as the Doctor figuring a black man can only teach something in the physical realm and not the mental. As I say, it's certainly not intentional, but you can't deny it probably wasn't the best look to introduce the white caretaker to the black teacher and have the former laugh at the idea of the latter's occupation. That the Doctor and Danny immediately don't get on is pretty neat because the parallels between them are obvious. They're both "soldiers" who hate the idea of being pigeonholed or otherwise reduced to somebody else's uneducated idea of what that word means. Of course for Danny he is proud of being a soldier in some respects and wants people to respect those aspects of the role, - digging wells, protecting people etc - while the Doctor just dismisses/rejects the role entirely. They're both compassionate people, though the Doctor hides his compassion behind an acerbic personality. They're both natural leaders, though the Doctor prefers to take on that role in an unofficial capacity and detests any attempt to structure it, while Danny understands the need for somebody to clearly be in the leadership role and use his "men" to the best effect, even as he detests the officers who "used" him in the past. That they so immediately clash makes perfect sense, especially since they're both clearly in competition for Clara's affections. I don't mean that in a romantic sense from the Doctor's point of view, but they both clearly want to be the man in her life. For the Doctor, it is a kind of odd father/child relationship - in some ways he is very much her "Space-Dad", wanting to still be the center of her world and the one she looks up to and hangs on his every word, in other ways he is like a needy child who doesn't want to share his "mother" with her new boyfriend. Does the Doctor fear losing Clara to somebody else? I think it's telling that when he thinks she is dating Adrian he is all for it since Adrian has a vague resemblance to his prior incarnation, and in the Doctor's mind that still means HE is the most important person in her life. Danny is a threat because he doesn't see himself in Danny (even though he is far closer to the Doctor than Adrian is), and that means Clara is moving on and away from him - I like to think of this in the context of The Green Death, and the Third Doctor's sad realization that Jo had found another man and that he wasn't the center of her world any more. Of course Clara is the integral element of this relationship, she's found herself caught between these two different worlds, and after her efforts to keep them apart are no longer possible, she is desperate to bring them into harmony rather than be forced to choose between them. This ranges from comedy when it all first comes crashing together, as she attempts the latest in a long line of flimsy lies as she makes up a ridiculous story about a surprise play (hilariously, the Doctor later gets confused and thinks there IS a play  ), to bargaining as she tries to show Danny a different side to the Doctor. The Doctor throughout the season has made a point of being indifferent or callous to other people, relying on Clara to bridge the gap or act as HIS "caretaker", but those were all one-and-done people who were in their lives briefly before they moved on. Danny is permanent (or she wants him to be) and so she is desperate to show him the kinder, softer side that so far only she has been privy to. That backfires spectacularly of course, and in the end it is Danny who actually grasps the necessary move it will take to get past the Doctor's reservations, which further serves to show how similar he is in some ways to the Doctor. That does put Clara in the middle though, it is an easy trap to fall into to reduce her to "just" the woman, more an object/prop between two male characters than a person in her own right. I think the episode (co-written by Moffat and Gareth Roberts) mostly does a good job of keeping her distinctly her own person, but there is an element here of her being somebody else's to "give" or "take" - what is probably the saving grace is that she does make choices instead of hanging in limbo unable to commit one way or the other till a man makes the choice for her. The Doctor arrives during the parent-teacher evening needing her help and she doesn't hesitate to join him even though she knows that Danny will not like it, putting her own life in danger without a second thought because it is the right thing to do. Danny will comment on that to her later and warn her about how "officers" can push "soldiers" to extremes (set-up for the eventual reveal of his own trauma that never really gets adequately paid off) but I'm glad that she wasn't left agonizing over the decision only to get Danny's "permission" to go, when the world was in danger and the Doctor needed her she jumped in without a second thought. Similarly, her earlier concern about the safety of the children reflects well on her - yes she's a control freak who is trying to have her cake and eat it too in regards to her till now separate worlds, but she acts selflessly when others are in danger. She is very much showcased as the Doctor's equal despite the quasi father/daughter relationship between them, whereas the Doctor's brief (and selfish) consideration of Courtney as a new traveling companion (ugh) quickly showcases how another seemingly forthright and controlling person could fall apart in similar bizarre circumstances.  The Caretaker is an interesting and fun story about Clara's relationship with Danny moving forward, and how that impacts on her relationship with the Doctor. Seeing her two worlds collide was a lot of fun for me, but the catalyst for that collision is not particularly well done, and suffers quite a bit from the old RTD requirement of every alien threat being world-destroying in nature. The conflict between Danny and the Doctor can be frustrating in that a lot is left unsaid and some of the implicit stuff never actually gets realized throughout the rest of the season, which makes this individual episode suffer somewhat in hindsight. As a continuation of the season-long arc of Clara struggling with the Doctor's new personality/the Doctor's own questioning of his morality it works well, but as a standalone story it lives or dies on the chemistry between the three leads and how much you buy into the situation unfolding at the school. For me it worked, and the episode is one I have fond memories of even if it doesn't particularly stand out against some of the far better episodes - at worst I think it is a solid and easy to watch episode, and has some great comedy moments both intentional (the Doctor trying and failing to be subtle undercover) and unintentional (THE FLIP!). Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Jan 5, 2015 |
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Does anyone want to read a really dumb fanfic I just wrote about the universe being nearly destroyed by microwave popcorn?
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DoctorWhat posted:Does anyone want to read a really dumb fanfic I just wrote about the universe being nearly destroyed by microwave popcorn? I'll listen to Colin Baker reading it.
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BSam posted:I'll listen to Colin Baker reading it. It stars (post-Trial) Six, obviously, and I'd like to think that I've captured his essence appropriately. [link]
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DoctorWhat posted:It stars (post-Trial) Six, obviously, and I'd like to think that I've captured his essence appropriately. Not bad, but could do with a bit of "Microwave, Microwave? MICROWAVE!?"
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DoctorWhat posted:Does anyone want to read a really dumb fanfic I just wrote about the universe being nearly destroyed by microwave popcorn? I imagine you do 
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Careful, DoctorWhat. This is where the rabbit hole opens up. You start with a harmless piece of fan fic fluff and find yourself writing an epic with Six and Peri teaming up with Commander Shepard to fight a lost platoon of Geth led by a rogue Dalek that includes Peri slamming the Mako on top of a trio of Geth to save Wrex...
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I've never played a Bioware game. EDIT: actually that's not STRICTLY true. I played that godawful DS Sonic RPG.
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DoctorWhat posted:I've never played a Bioware game. So you're going to write crossover Who/Sonic fanfic instead!? 
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Jsor posted:So you're going to write crossover Who/Sonic fanfic instead!? "Imagine the Doctors surprise when his screwdriver turns into a loveable blue hedgehog."
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PriorMarcus posted:"Imagine the Doctors surprise when his screwdriver turns into a loveable blue hedgehog." I was thinking there was a joke about Amy Pond and Amy Rose in there somewhere. I don't know what or where it is, but it's in there.
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I really liked this goofy character in the bowtie, because the idea that the Doctor was perfectly fine with Clara having a boyfriend as long as it was somebody "nice," which for him was of course the Matt Smith lookalike, while it still has its problems, is worlds better than the weird jealousy vibe I was getting before The Caretaker. Plus it was funny.
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DoctorWhat posted:I've never played a Bioware game. Oh, yeah. You prefer Smash Brothers. Five/Kirby then?
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CobiWann posted:Oh, yeah. You prefer Smash Brothers. not even smash bros can make me want to write a story starring Captain Beige
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I'm not much into computer games, but I understand that adventure games are on the upswing. There could be a good Doctor Who point and click adventure game. Look, I've been playing a lot of Sam & Max lately.
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Metal Loaf posted:I'm not much into computer games, but I understand that adventure games are on the upswing. There could be a good Doctor Who point and click adventure game. All I can imagine is Tom Baker intoning "That doesn't work." over and over again as you try all the objects in your inventory on another object.
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CobiWann posted:Oh, yeah. You prefer Smash Brothers. That's preposterous! Nobody would be enough of a nerd to combine Smash Brothers and Doctor Who for their internet persona!
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