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Jan 6, 2015 10:26
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...! posted:The Swede is getting hardcore. Maybe they can get him to murder the Fair-haired Maiden of Gotham City. I'm glad they didn't SVU it and pulled in three "I know that face" actors so it wouldn't be a total giveaway who the culprit is.
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The Human Crouton posted:This is the weirdest show. It's both haphazardly lazy and lovingly crafted. I've never enjoyed a show that I have no respect for as much as I do Gotham. I have a theory that a different writer is assigned to each character. Everyone just pastes their stuff into a shared Google doc and that's what gets turned in as the shooting script.
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pookerbug posted:I have a theory that a different writer is assigned to each character. Everyone just pastes their stuff into a shared Google doc and that's what gets turned in as the shooting script. It's bad that this is a plausible scenario in my mind. Watching the show on TV I can't get over how hilariously corrupt and dumb all city officials are, but I guess they would have to be for Batman to make any sense. Batman is basically the protector of a city full of idiots. "Hey, this crazy asylum inmate, let's just let her walk around and pretend to be a nurse. Nothing could go wrong here!"  I'm just going to assume that things like the FBI and the Justice Department just don't exist in the Gotham universe, because otherwise somebody would have got them involved at some point.
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Jan 6, 2015 16:32
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pookerbug posted:I have a theory that a different writer is assigned to each character. Everyone just pastes their stuff into a shared Google doc and that's what gets turned in as the shooting script. How pissed must Barbara's actress be that everyone else got human writers and she got a drinking bird?
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Jan 6, 2015 17:28
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I hope Gordon thanks Holl...I mean Ivy in a later episode for getting rid of Barbara. Also I think this is the first episode that had a complete absence of Bruce and Alfred. I'm not too sure how I feel about that.
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Jan 6, 2015 18:32
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imperialparadox posted:It's bad that this is a plausible scenario in my mind.
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Inkspot posted:How pissed must Barbara's actress be that everyone else got human writers and she got a drinking bird? "I bet you can't write an ENTIRE season where Barbara isn't wearing pants." "You're on!"
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So is this supposed to be the origin of Hugo Strange? Looks kind of like him.
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LLJKSiLk posted:So is this supposed to be the origin of Hugo Strange? Jerusalem posted:[regarding a Krypton show] Also the studio just called the weeping scriptwriter and told them they want Lex Luthor to be the season finale villain. No argument allowed. Actually, I can see it working out pretty well. After countless defeats at the hands of Superman, Lex uses [Found Kryptonian gadget + His own tech] to transport himself to Superman's birthplace and prevent him from ever being born. Or FedEx'd to Earth, whatever. He shows up mid-season mysteriously, sabotaging things to put the L family in danger, which they barely avoid. His identity is revealed to the audience a few episodes later. Various plots fail, finally one of his plans looks like it worked and... gently caress, no, that broke everything. Turns out one of those times Superman saved Earth, nobody else could have done it. Lex can't rule over a drat wasteland. Season finale time, now Lex Luthor has to find a way to save baby Kal-L instead, and is not at all happy about it. e X posted:At one point, Lex did consider traveling back in time, marrying Superman's mother and becoming Clark's stepdad, thus making him immune to the hero's crimefighting, since Superman wouldn't arrest his own dad. ... poo poo. Just as I was typing this, I realized that this story already was done in comics, only with Scrooge McDuck and Magica De Spell. Just replace "Baby Superman" with "#1 Dime" and the tech with magic. And Krypton with Scotland. Robot Hobo fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Jan 6, 2015 |
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At one point, Lex did consider traveling back in time, marrying Superman's mother and becoming Clark's stepdad, thus making him immune to the hero's crimefighting, since Superman wouldn't arrest his own dad.
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LLJKSiLk posted:So is this supposed to be the origin of Hugo Strange? The next episode preview called him the Electrocutioner which is a different Batman villain.
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I don't really have much in the way of complaints about this episode. Barbara was of course terrible, and will be, now and until her inevitable and highly-anticipated demise, but i've kind of just grown to accept that. Lets all pray that the end comes soon. The mob bits were better this episode than they normally are, I thought. I guess they pulled in one of the writers from the other characters to help out. Maybe the Bruce and Alfred writers, which is why they weren't in this one. It's all about division of labor. I am really digging Gordon in Arkham. I hope that lasts a while. I've never seen the Swede in anything that he wasn't awesome and creepy in. I particularly like this Lecterish character. Edit: You know, just thinking about it, they could have made Barbara into a great character who we would all come to like. When she's killed off, it could have been a really emotional episode. But no, they make her this hosed up, barely functionally retarded asshat instead, so that when she finally dies, everyone breathes a sigh of relief. "Why is Gordon so upset?" we all wonder. "The loving house finally fell on her." Digital Prophet fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Jan 7, 2015 |
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Madkal posted:I hope Gordon thanks Holl...I mean Ivy in a later episode for getting rid of Barbara. Since those are two of the three best characters on the show, I can't imagine it helped the episode much.
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Jan 7, 2015 03:15
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Did Penguin lose a couple of brain cells during the break? Oh and I liked that final scene with Butch. Except they never showed why he'd rather stick with Fish than his childhood friend, but whatever, it's Gotham. v  v
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muscles like this? posted:The next episode preview called him the Electrocutioner which is a different Batman villain. My first guess at the guy's identity early in the episode was Maxie Zeus. The electricity and bad psychiatry angles made me sure he was going to be Zeus or Hugo Strange, (guess there's no need to spoiler that now) and I kept going back and forth between those two. Either could have been pretty great, complete psychopaths with god complexes and probably more scenery-chewing madness than Fish? Awesome. But the Electrocutioner is just sort of... bland.
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Robot Hobo posted:Really? I missed the preview. If so, that's a disappointment. I was totally getting a Maxie Zeus vibe during the play at the start.
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Gawain The Blind posted:Edit: You know, just thinking about it, they could have made Barbara into a great character who we would all come to like. When she's killed off, it could have been a really emotional episode. But no, they make her this hosed up, barely functionally retarded asshat instead, so that when she finally dies, everyone breathes a sigh of relief. "Why is Gordon so upset?" we all wonder. "The loving house finally fell on her." Well, Gordon is this unrealistic representation of justice who is never going to get called out for being an irritating boy scout as opposed to the moral paragon, but the comics insist that he and Barbara don't stick together, so the writing staff, perplexed on how to depict their Perfect Cop leaving his girlfriend since that seems, well, possibly heartless, have decided to make Barbara as pathetic, stupid, and unlikable as possible. That take may seem like a complaint, but I'm actually enjoying the tack they've gone here, since, like most of the show's upwards trend, it's just stopped caring about sticking to the playbook. The writers must have realized after the initial episode reviews that they sucked at making Barbara relatable, and so they gave up, and the show's better for it. Barbara sucks. Batgirl being named after her is going to be the funniest, most ironic poo poo ever, and I for one am all for it. Would a good bisexual representation have been nicer? A more nuanced Gordon who, yeah, has problems a la Batman: Year One and cheats and all that? Yeah. But at least the writers know their weaknesses, so they're writing to their strengths. And they're very, very, very good at making us all hate Barbara. Also, so many villains are skirtings of various bad guys that they just can't use because it'd stretch the the universe's allowance of future Bruce antagonists, so you get stuff like "I Can't Believe It's Not Mister Pyg" Goatman, and now you're getting "I Can't Believer It's Not Maxie Zeus/Hugo Strange."
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Krad posted:Did Penguin lose a couple of brain cells during the break? Ye I agree, it was a pretty weird, seemingly pointless thing that was happening around penguin, maybe they are trying to give penguin some kind of motive for something in future episodes or something.
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I don't know if the show has just gotten better, or if I've just come to love its silliness, but I'm glad it is back  Well at least now Barbara is out of her life, Montoya can get into investigating the Waynes murder like she promised Jim she would.... so long as Barbara doesn't get another boyfriend for her to harass in the meantime.
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Jerusalem posted:I don't know if the show has just gotten better, or if I've just come to love its silliness, but I'm glad it is back Or that kooky Wayne kid throws all the evidence in a cave, and that Kat kid refuses to cooperate as a witness.
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Jerusalem posted:I don't know if the show has just gotten better, or if I've just come to love its silliness, but I'm glad it is back Can't wait for her to arrest Bullock on the testimony of 'some kid I met at the shops' or 'a psychic hotline', although at least this time the Waynes won't turn up alive and unmurdered.
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oh jay posted:Worse comes to worst, they could always replace someone with their little brother with the exact same name. Oh, you son of a bitch. (Also, hey - Allyce Beasley! Agnes DiPesto! YAAAY!) PS - What's a bonsai tree?
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I would love this show to have Bruce or Bullock talk to the dead Waynes via Ouija board.
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oh jay posted:Bruce, Gordon and (the) Penguin are safe. But I could see them killing off almost anyone else. My money is on Butch being the Joker, so he's safe as well. Krad posted:Did Penguin lose a couple of brain cells during the break? Who said he's sticking with fish? Fog Tripper fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Jan 8, 2015 |
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Fog Tripper posted:Who said he's sticking with fish? Yeah I got the feeling that from his demeanor when Fish asked how negotiations were going and then we consider both the proposition his friend gave him and then the story Butch told about keeping the best meat for himself from their heist it was intended to show that in all of this talk of the higher ups consolidating power he is going to do exactly the same thing that Penguin is trying to do as well: weaken the competition from the inside and carve out their own empires from the inevitable gang wars. I liked it, I liked this episode overall and would say it was probably one of the best so far but it gets dragged down due to the Barbara parts. They did a good fake out with the Arkham doctor, Harvey acted like an actual detective and demonstrated that he is actually good at his job, Penguin got a reality check to show that he is still just a middleman at this point, and Butch's story was nice worldbuilding. If the episodes after are more like this one then I think that this show can gain a little more good will, not unlike what people say of Agents of SHIELD
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It's crazy that that crazy hot actress from Firefly is in this show. It's good to see her get work that I know about. Also, Doc Thompkins is a nice character to introduce. Also, lol, the Babs and Montoya stuff is so bad, ahahahahahahahaha. I don't even care how they've ruined Mom-Barbara, but good god it irks me that they've reduced Rene Montoya to this failure of writing. They've made Bullock great, though. Aha, love it.
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Junkie Disease posted:I would love this show to have Bruce or Bullock talk to the dead Waynes via Ouija board. I will start up a White House petition for this to happen.
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Drifter posted:It's crazy that that crazy hot actress from Firefly is in this show. It's good to see her get work that I know about. So Jim is going to sleep with Doc Thompkins right, as they have had more chemistry in those three scenes then Barbra. Also Barbra sucks but they clearly can't redeem the character at this point so poo poo on her all you want writers. Butch is going to kill Fish in the season final.
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Probably Magic posted:The writers must have realized after the initial episode reviews that they sucked at making Barbara relatable, and so they gave up, and the show's better for it. Barbara sucks. Batgirl being named after her is going to be the funniest, most ironic poo poo ever, and I for one am all for it. Would a good bisexual representation have been nicer? A more nuanced Gordon who, yeah, has problems a la Batman: Year One and cheats and all that? Yeah. But at least the writers know their weaknesses, so they're writing to their strengths. And they're very, very, very good at making us all hate Barbara. You are absolutely correct. With the way Bullock seemed to have multiple personalities in the beginning, I think they just have issues writing characters that are more than the epitome of a particular character trait. It would have been cool to see a more complex Gordon though. Edit: To be fair, a lot the silver and golden age spandex-and-folded-boots comic writers basically did the same thing.
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Drifter posted:Also, lol, the Babs and Montoya stuff is so bad, ahahahahahahahaha. I don't even care how they've ruined Mom-Barbara, but good god it irks me that they've reduced Rene Montoya to this failure of writing. They've made Bullock great, though. Aha, love it.
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Aces High posted:I liked it, I liked this episode overall and would say it was probably one of the best so far but it gets dragged down due to the Barbara parts. They did a good fake out with the Arkham doctor, Harvey acted like an actual detective and demonstrated that he is actually good at his job, Penguin got a reality check to show that he is still just a middleman at this point, and Butch's story was nice worldbuilding. If the episodes after are more like this one then I think that this show can gain a little more good will, not unlike what people say of Agents of SHIELD Yeah, overall it wasn't a bad episode. Maybe it will reach a point and move into "good" territory, but right now the show seems to have a problem with the consistency of its quality. Drifter posted:Also, lol, the Babs and Montoya stuff is so bad, ahahahahahahahaha. I don't even care how they've ruined Mom-Barbara, but good god it irks me that they've reduced Rene Montoya to this failure of writing. They've made Bullock great, though. Aha, love it. The Barbara and Montoya stuff plays out like horrible fan-fiction or something. Whoever is responsible for that should feel ashamed, and if that whole thing just disappeared from the show with no resolution at all it would still be better than having to struggle through the Barbara portions of the show.
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I don't think anyone here talked about the worst part of the episode, Barbra being pissed at Jim for sleeping with someone (not that he did) despite having run off to bang Montoya.
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sbaldrick posted:I don't think anyone here talked about the worst part of the episode, Barbra being pissed at Jim for sleeping with someone (not that he did) despite having run off to bang Montoya. If you can't compartmentalize your betrayal of people and others' betrayals of you then I don't know what to say, mister.  "Maybe, if you want to argue it, MAYBE I did this to him, and anyways that's not even the point, but how DARE he do this to MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?!!?!??!? I trusted him!" Drifter fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Jan 8, 2015 |
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sbaldrick posted:I don't think anyone here talked about the worst part of the episode, Barbra being pissed at Jim for sleeping with someone (not that he did) despite having run off to bang Montoya. I assumed there was something else going on there because it was just tooooo stupid. Who the hell would watch that scene and not want that character to dive headfirst under the back wheels of a city bus?
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I love how good of a team Gordon and Bullock have somehow become. The scene at Arkham where Bullock comes in to take the boss out of the way was both fun and oddly touching. He just seemed so drat happy to be helping Jim with this case. At first I thought Bullock's turn from apathetic rear end in a top hat to "The only OTHER decent cop in Gotham" was too abrupt, but I simply don't care now. More of this, please.sbaldrick posted:So Jim is going to sleep with Doc Thompkins right, as they have had more chemistry in those three scenes then Barbra. The sudden turn of Renee just walking in an deciding that she's done with Barbara, after spending the previous episodes totally fixated on stealing her back from Jim, feels like the writers just abruptly decided to abandon this whole sub-plot because it wasn't working and wasn't worth trying to salvage. I consider that good sign for the future, if that's the case. I did say "steal" Barbara from Jim above as if she was some inanimate object because she really doesn't feel like a character, she feels like a prop. Just an object standing there, being handed back and forth, not DOING anything. I'm not sure who is most at fault for that, writing, directing, or the actress herself. Any of them should have been able to at least add something to the character by now. (Montoya is the ex of both Batgirl's Mom and Batwoman? Kinky.) Robot Hobo fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Jan 8, 2015 |
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