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Deptfordx posted:You'd think that would be hard to mess up. As you say making the target someone you knew the Author wouldn't be allowed to kill made the whole book pointless. Or, hell, make it someone important/useful in the Heresy but not a big name whose fate we already know. Make it the chief librarian of the Emperor's Children or the SoH's master of the forge or something.
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thespaceinvader posted:As noted, whether they got a 'better deal' really, really depends on whether you consider 'immortal evil dude' a good deal (and in at least one case, immortal evil dude constantly ravaged by hideous diseases). It sounds like you do but I'm not sure many would actually agree with you. Dorn died on some idiot shitter chaos ship he assaulted. By himself like a real badass. They recovered his body but kept one of his hands so they can etch the names of new chapter masters on his knuckle bones. He's totes dead. lite_sleepr fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Jan 5, 2015 |
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ADB's The Long Night is another example of him perfectly mixing grimdark and humanity. A fine listen. Sevatar, you ol' softy.
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Which of the Space Marine Battles novels are worth reading? Helsreach was great, are there any others?
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Scintilla posted:Which of the Space Marine Battles novels are worth reading? Helsreach was great, are there any others? Wrath of Iron is really good
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Battle of the fang is good Rynns world is not bad bolter porn Helsreach one of the best ham books
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I haven't read anything else by him- I'm guessing he's pretty new but I'm ~40 pages into Joe Parrino's novella-thing Shield of Baal: Devourer and he seems pretty damned solid. I would certainly like to see more necron stuff from him. Maybe we'll get it as they're supposed to be next in line for a new codex.
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Scintilla posted:Which of the Space Marine Battles novels are worth reading? Helsreach was great, are there any others?
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Helsreach, Battle of the Fang, Wrath of Iron, and Legion of the Damned are great. As per usual, you can just choose what to read based on authors, and ADB, Chris Wraight, and Rob Sanders are all rad dudes. I've said this a million times but I really wish Rob Sanders would write more stuff.
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I'm reading Scars now and liking it more than I thought I would.
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The author is good he wrote some other good poo poo too. Name escapes me right now
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Waroduce posted:The author is good he wrote some other good poo poo too. Name escapes me right now Wraight? I liked Blood of Asaheim but was not such a big fan of Battle for the Fang. If he was the guy who did Wrath of Iron, I liked that too.
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Yeah his two space wolf book series were above average imo and I liked battle of the fang. Plus scars and wrath of iron. I like him
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I think Wraight's really good, I don't know what he really wants to write about but I think if given the chance, he'd do something outstanding. I like reading different authors' takes on the Wolves. Some I don't care for- almost catoony. Wraight does them justice, his seem pretty unique- brutal, intelligent but restrained also not a constant stream of wet-leopard growls. John French's take on them in the Ahriman series is terrifying- the boarding sequence at the start of Sorcerer is really creepy.
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Is sorcerer out? Barnes and nobels says like jan 20
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Yeah, if you have a Games Workshop store near you, you can buy them there the same time they hit the Black Library site- usually a month+ before retail.
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Waroduce posted:Is sorcerer out? Barnes and nobels says like jan 20 I picked up a copy from Waterstones last week along with Legacies of Betrayal  . I know I've picked up books from them before well in advance of Black Library's release date but YMMV. I went onto BL's site to check when Legacies was released and was greeted by Battle of the Abyss unabridged audiobook, for £30? What!?.
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Lincoln`s Wax posted:I think Wraight's really good, I don't know what he really wants to write about but I think if given the chance, he'd do something outstanding.
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Mikojan posted:I'm halfway through Ian Watson's Spacemarine and I don't know what the gently caress I'm reading but I love it. Ugh what would space marine flatulence be like? Hey if anyone wants to they can join #theblacklibrary to talk nerdy about space man books. If there's already a channel on irc.synirc.net let me know. lite_sleepr fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Jan 6, 2015 |
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I think the first 40k I read was something by Lee Lightner about Space Wolves and it was pretty aggressively bad.
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my first 40k book was eisenhorn before i knew this thread existed and loooool did i get lucky
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Waroduce posted:Is there an irc android app? Andchat. My first BL book was Salamander, because I loved the chapter. It was okay, but then I started to have standards after reading better books.
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Schneider Heim posted:Andchat. i know this isnt the place, but because i am a tard, what is the name, adress and port of SynIRC (the goon one i think ya?)
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Amazon has listings for reprints of the first three books in both Gaunt's Ghosts and Ultramarines. 14 dollars each, so regular BL books, not part of the Black Library Classics. I guess that line's pretty dead. On a related note, why the gently caress does the Black Library website not have an upcoming releases section?
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It's been a while since I read Legion, but I've been wondering for a while if anyone is ever witness to Alpharius/Omegon other than the "twins" themselves. In other words, is it possible that there's some weird Tyler Durden thing going on with him?
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Fearless posted:It's been a while since I read Legion, but I've been wondering for a while if anyone is ever witness to Alpharius/Omegon other than the "twins" themselves. In other words, is it possible that there's some weird Tyler Durden thing going on with him? I haven't read it for a while either, but when they do the reveal they say something about it being the chapter's deepest secret. Gramaticus also notices that Omegon is an exact match in size (using his special powers of measuring people by eye - no really) for Alpharius. Also, they're stood together before the cabal before being shown the vision of the future. That said, I kind of WANT a Tyler Durden thing going on now because the image of a primarch rolling around on the carpark beating himself in the face with a thunderhammer is perfect...
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Fearless posted:It's been a while since I read Legion, but I've been wondering for a while if anyone is ever witness to Alpharius/Omegon other than the "twins" themselves. In other words, is it possible that there's some weird Tyler Durden thing going on with him? Basically, this installation is loving around with xenos tech, probably of Necrontyr origin that calms an area of the warp, but makes the edge of the effect nigh impossible to traverse or send messages through. Alpharius wants to keep it, where as Omegon wants it gone. I believe there's a scene of the twins standing together on the bridge of the Alpha, in which case there'd be other people around. Also, my first 40k book was the Hero of the Imperium omnibus. Could have done a lot worse. There's a lot of people that harp on Ciaphas Cain for being formulaic, with good reason, but I like the lighter take on the universe and the the concept of a commissar who would rather be as far away from the fighting as possible well enough to tolerate the repetitive nature of the books. I'm also a sucker for the footnotes by Inquisitor Vail.
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boom boom boom posted:On a related note, why the gently caress does the Black Library website not have an upcoming releases section? Or they are now subscribing to the GW party line of "No advance notice of anything, ever!"
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Groetgaffel posted:There's a short story in The Primarchs called The Serpent Beneath (which is wonderful I might add) where the Alpha legion infiltrates themselves to blow up one of their own installations. There were other people around the crazy dude in Fight Club too. I could totally roll with the legionnaires being too freaked out by their schizo Primarch to confront him about it.
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Donnerberg posted:There were other people around the crazy dude in Fight Club too. I could totally roll with the legionnaires being too freaked out by their schizo Primarch to confront him about it.
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Groetgaffel posted:Also, my first 40k book was the Hero of the Imperium omnibus. Could have done a lot worse. Thing is, as much as Cain likes to describe himself as a self-interested coward, there's only so many times one can decide that you're more afraid of having your rep for heroism besmirched than you are getting eaten by Tyrannids that it wraps around to a kind of bravery instead. It's like that one American Civil War general, Banks I think, who was like "My God man, we have more to fear from the opinion of our friends than the bayonets of our enemies!" Which isn't a good thing to hear from your boss when you're outnumbered and outflanked. That said, the Cain books come closest to explaining how the totally batshit insane 40K universe could actually work. That is, everyone gives lip service to the insanity while trying their damndest to just get on with life as best they can. The 1% (and the Space Marines, I guess) who actually believe the craziness go up in front and get murdered, while everyone else tries to do the smart thing.
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I enjoy the Cain books, but I think beyond the initial omnibus you can skip them. It basically tells all the stories you'll hear over and over again for the rest of the series, but it's really enjoyable before it gets repetitive. I've read a few more since and they just get really samey.
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jng2058 posted:That said, the Cain books come closest to explaining how the totally batshit insane 40K universe could actually work. That is, everyone gives lip service to the insanity while trying their damndest to just get on with life as best they can. The 1% (and the Space Marines, I guess) who actually believe the craziness go up in front and get murdered, while everyone else tries to do the smart thing. Unfortunately, if you read about the end of the Russian Revolution, WWII, China's Cultural Revolution, or Pol Pot, sometimes the 1% of crazies gets put in charge and just sort of fucks things up for everyone for a longass time. Also in 40k, as in many historical antecedents, cowardice is a crime punishable by death. The craziest parts of 40k are almost all fantasy exaggerations of actual historical precedents.
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I certainly have a soft spot for Cain, even if it is repetitive, I like seeing a sane person interacting with some of the batshit stuff of the 40k setting. The only thing that's really kinda irked me was the cover to The Greater Good- shows Cain back to back fighting with Tau. Does not happen in any way, shape or form. I would like to see something different though- that's why I said earlier that I'd love for him to get stuck running around with more colorful characters like Trazyn or Zahndrekh for a book. Tyranids are a good "scary alien" enemy but there's not much depth.
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thespaceinvader posted:As noted, whether they got a 'better deal' really, really depends on whether you consider 'immortal evil dude' a good deal (and in at least one case, immortal evil dude constantly ravaged by hideous diseases). It sounds like you do but I'm not sure many would actually agree with you. I always liked the fan theory that the lion was one of the traitor primarchs but his legion captured him and stuck him in the bottom of the rock which is why they go all crazy murder train on any of the fallen because they don't want it getting out. Makes more sense than it being to cover up luthor going bad and the dark angels murdering the guys he trained up 10k years ago. I think this has been ret-conned to hell and back though.
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Finished storm caller, and it's a good book. I'd read Blood of Asahem again though as stormcaller starts immediately after. Again Wraight's depictions of death guard own the mycetelyte's exchange with Baldr is great "I'm just so tired of it all, aren't you? 10,000 years and we're still killing each other"  . The only gripe was he introduced a subplot in the first book, mentioned it a lot in the second book ( couldnt we have found out something about why the church killed hrotjur, even an inkling? ) then copped out in giving any kind of closure about so he can write another book.
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So, I've started reading Horus Rising after reading Eisenhorn and a whole bunch of Gaunt's Ghosts, and I've finished "Part 1". I'm seeing parallels between Remembrancers and Librarians, and am kinda surprised that the Legions do not seem to have them. It is funny how 40k and 30k's main difference, is that the Imperium used to be militant atheists, now they are militant preachers. I do wonder how exactly the Space Marines at the very least have all forgotten the Imperial Truth by 40k. Horus' explanation of the warp was great though.
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