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Wadjamaloo posted:What about the opposite, keeping a sweet card on top and electing not to manifest it. Then you're keeping a sweet card on top that you feel you'd rather draw than a 5 mana 4/4 with no ability. It still seems that any card with manifest that doesn't produce a potentially absurd amount of them (at least one per turn) or give you more control over what gets manifested (something of your choice from hand or grave) won't be good enough to play in constructed. There are already a lot of good cards in standard, to the point that a 4 mana 4/2 with haste that basically lets you cast inspiration for no cards -and then do even more- might not see play since there's just too much good stuff already, people can't think of what to take out.
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Jan 7, 2015 06:09
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 This is really nice if you're worried about accidentally manifesting non-creatures.
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Jan 7, 2015 06:13
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Gensuki posted:Misunderstanding probability An unknown card is just as good as any other unknown card in your deck. Your logic here is the same as thinking it's worth milling someone to try to "get rid of their good cards".
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Jan 7, 2015 06:13
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BrokenKnees posted:
This can also bounce another one of your creatures to save it from a removal spell, so this cat protects itself and your other creatures. Between the useful ability and having 4 power it's a high pick in limited, although I don't expect to see it ever in constructed.
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Jan 7, 2015 06:16
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qbert posted:Exactly, I'm playing her just to announce that name during casting. Exact reason I played so much Tymaret, the Murder King.
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newtestleper posted:An unknown card is just as good as any other unknown card in your deck. Your logic here is the same as thinking it's worth milling someone to try to "get rid of their good cards". Man I just cut a big dumb rant on outcomes and probabilities explaining my reasoning and that no you were wrong but, anyway... the gist of it was, Do you know what I quoted? What the person I quoted, quoted? It was about if you scry for something. Your logic is that I was talking about milling someone at any given point, but it is closer to saying I cast thoughtscour in response to them scrying and keeping two. I knew they wanted what they kept, so I can infer it was good. So, that but in reverse. Keeping what you know is good and manifesting the thing you don't know instead of manifesting the thing you know is good, and drawing the thing you don't know what it is. Although, this is all starting to feel like arguing over the merits of fetchlands as deck thinners...
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Jan 7, 2015 06:53
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Not quite as useful as Disdainful Stroke. Did they ever print a "Counter target spell with CMC 3 or less"?
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Jan 7, 2015 06:59
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qbert posted:Did they ever print a "Counter target spell with CMC 3 or less"?
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Allstone posted:Liquify, Prohibit, and Thoughtbind are what they've done in that direction. Prohibit seems the only playable one out of those, but I wonder why Wizards seemingly never printed a straight 1U: CMC <= 3 counterspell. Would it really be too powerful?
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Jan 7, 2015 07:08
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Decks are generally going to want to play more cmc<4 cards than cmc>3 cards, so the effect is a bit stronger.
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Jan 7, 2015 07:12
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qbert posted:Prohibit seems the only playable one out of those, but I wonder why Wizards seemingly never printed a straight 1U: CMC <= 3 counterspell. Would it really be too powerful? they've been moving away from 2 mana counters that can counter early early drops since they stopped printing mana leak. Also yes, that card would be quite good. I think it's printable, but it would be quite good.
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Jan 7, 2015 07:23
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BrokenKnees posted:
This guy feels pretty sweet. More than two toughness, check. Doesn't tap to activate, so you get to turn all of your dudes into Knuckleblades. Bounce your queen, bounce a token targeted by bile blight, bounce all your dudes for wrath protection, bounce your mana dork(s) pre-Anger, etcetc.
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Jan 7, 2015 07:55
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AceClown posted:Well hello new tiny leader....
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Chamale posted:This can also bounce another one of your creatures to save it from a removal spell, so this cat protects itself and your other creatures. Between the useful ability and having 4 power it's a high pick in limited, although I don't expect to see it ever in constructed. I think it might stand a shot at being played in standard thanks to having a safety on the ability, unlike a lot of similar effects. It's not that undercosted, and it has the ability to produce a ton of value for you if you play it on 6 mana / get to untap with it.
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Jan 7, 2015 08:01
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When I saw people listing off targets for Alesha, I didn't see Nyx Weaver listed. And that seems p good and in june colours. Swing with Alesha, bring back nix weaver tapped and attacking, if they block the weaver, sack it to return a whip (or whatever card you don't have at the moment)
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Jan 7, 2015 08:40
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That thing is very, very good in limited and I would pick it over a great deal of rares. It can still get overrun by tempo, but the remainder of the time it's 4cmc for something that protects all your creatures from removal, protects itself from removal and is an invulnerable 4 power attacker/blocker. All of this in a body that's not even behind the curve and for relatively little mana. Plus you get to abuse ETB effects.
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Jan 7, 2015 08:45
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tirinal posted:That thing is very, very good in limited and I would pick it over a great deal of rares. Someone mentioned this before, but it also lets you put non-creature manifests back into your hand so you can replay them face-up.
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Jan 7, 2015 08:49
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BrokenKnees posted:
Tragically not in Warshrieker colors.
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Jan 7, 2015 08:51
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So what does Neutralizing Blast hit that Disdainful Stroke doesn't? The only place I see it maybe being useful is a sideboard card against Abzan decks to counter Lion and Deathdealer early game. Otherwise everything in standard is pretty monocolored or 4CMC+. What a weird card to be printing now.
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Jan 7, 2015 09:16
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mr. mephistopheles posted:The only place I see it maybe being useful is a sideboard card against Abzan decks to counter Lion and Deathdealer early game. Otherwise everything in standard is pretty monocolored or 4CMC+. What a weird card to be printing now. Countermagic is innately reactive so it is difficult to key what selective countermagic can target in an unknown metagame.
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Jan 7, 2015 09:34
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Way back tangent incomingCount Bleck posted:He's pretty evil for being Hades, God of Pretty Chill Guy In Actual Mythology. Books have? The one that immediately comes to mind is Dresden Files but I'm sure there's others.
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Jan 7, 2015 09:36
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Spiderdrake posted:Charms and ascendancy, mantis rider? Fair point.
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Vital Signs posted:I'm literally 3/4 done with my deck and now want to start over with her instead.... I've got a Mardu standard deck I'm getting a bit bored with so I can take that apart and have a not to shabby base to run her as a leader with
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Count Bleck posted:He's pretty evil for being Hades, God of Pretty Chill Guy In Actual Mythology. No, this is actually just wrong, and I'm just gonna quote Sleep of Bronze from his posts on a recent God of War LP thread on this: Sleep of Bronze posted:And the obligatory reminder every time non-Classicists discuss the 'modern' phenomenon of portraying Haides badly, that it comes from the oldest and most respected Greek writings on the gods.
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That cat looks like a possible sideboard against control. It's pretty hard to remove and it makes the rest of your guys hard to remove.
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I'm not sure what the kitty would replace, and its body probably isn't relevant enough, but I'm really enjoying the idea of recasting my wingmate roc or siege rhino every turn.
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For some reason I'm pleased to see Nahiri referenced like this on a main set card. Doubt it will see constructed play but you might be able to make it work in limited with lots of morph/manifest or low permanents.
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Jan 7, 2015 14:49
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Now we know where the hedrons on that one rare came from! Also, somewhat icy relationship between Ugin and Sorin confirmed. Perhaps markov manor teatime is not the best.
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Jan 7, 2015 15:03
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Wonder if the flavor text is foreshadowing that Nahiri is super dead.
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BizarroAzrael posted:For some reason I'm pleased to see Nahiri referenced like this on a main set card. Doubt it will see constructed play but you might be able to make it work in limited with lots of morph/manifest or low permanents. If you could bounce manifestations with it, that would be broken. As far as Nahiri goes, I'm looking forward to the next Eldrazi block when we find out part of the sealing process included sealing Nahiri away as well as a catalyst of some sort. And one of the sets in the block revolves around her revival a la Avacyn. 
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Jan 7, 2015 15:32
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Boxman posted:recasting my siege rhino every turn.
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BrokenKnees posted:
There is gonna be silly in draft... I love cards like this.
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Yawgmoth posted:Please god no. Pfft. People are already smashing Abzan and Sultai together in 4 color monstrosities. You don't think people will just smash Abzan splash Mardu for Crackling Doom, Flamerush Rider, and Alesha for infinite Siege Rhino cloning and recursion?
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AlternateNu posted:Pfft. People are already smashing Abzan and Sultai together in 4 color monstrosities. You don't think people will just smash Abzan splash Mardu for Crackling Doom, Flamerush Rider, and Alesha for infinite Siege Rhino cloning and recursion? Abzan Red sounds like a cool deckname I could get behind.
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Jan 7, 2015 15:46
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AlternateNu posted:If you could bounce manifestations with it, that would be broken. Ramos posted:How can Alesha recur the rhino again? Or maybe a case of goons forgetting the text of a really cool card. Veyrall fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Jan 7, 2015 |
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Ramos posted:How can Alesha recur the rhino again? Recasting through the Sabertooth, not Alesha. The awesome thing about the Sabertooth is that it may be Temur, but it doesn't fit strictly to those colors, so it'll most likely be an Abzan convert. 
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