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Amused to Death posted:And so it begins Well, points for being cunning assholes I guess. I look forward to a Facebook feed about how this is the Dems fault, just like how it was when the Ryan budget hosed veterans retirement pay
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Amused to Death posted:And so it begins Since Obama's perceived secret liberalism is a topic, it's worth remembering that Obama certainly seems to believe that SS solvency needs to be "fixed", and through cuts, which is essentially a right right bullshit line that has become de-facto centrist in the past decade.
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Jan 7, 2015 19:40
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Fried Chicken posted:make the bill cost $74 billion more (lost penalties) Is it lost penalties, or the cost of subsidies for people pushed onto the exchanges
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Jan 7, 2015 19:41
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Wasn't someone asking about whether Christine O'Donnell a few pages back, in regards to whether she's had any scandal? Welp http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/christine-o-donnell-campaign-donations-fec-lawsuit
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Jan 7, 2015 19:43
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Zeitgueist posted:Since Obama's perceived secret liberalism is a topic, it's worth remembering that Obama certainly seems to believe that SS solvency needs to be "fixed", and through cuts, which is essentially a right right bullshit line that has become de-facto centrist in the past decade. Since somebody is bound to point out he also has supported payroll tax increases, I agree he has played both sides on this. My point is that there's no reason to play more than one.
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Jan 7, 2015 19:43
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Serious question. Is Jeb good at politics? I'm not seeing him having the presence of character of a Mitt Romney or anything.
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Jan 7, 2015 19:43
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Warcabbit posted:Serious question. Is Jeb good at politics? The test to see if he is good or not will be his defense of his support of Common Core.
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Jan 7, 2015 19:46
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Amused to Death posted:And so it begins Unfortunately this is going to play well among retirees, who have been fed a consistent narrative that there's rampant disability fraud. E.g. this 60 Minutes report. (See also the Media Matters response).
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Jan 7, 2015 19:48
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Family Values posted:Unfortunately this is going to play well among retirees, who have been fed a consistent narrative that there's rampant disability fraud. E.g. this 60 Minutes report. (See also the Media Matters response). I don't think so. Retirees live in constant fear of two things: somebody loving with Medicare and somebody loving with SS. And Teenagers. Three things.
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Jan 7, 2015 19:48
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Grayly Squirrel posted:There was a lot of cognitive dissonance going on. When you volunteer for someone and vote for someone and advocate for someone you get invested. It's hard to admit that "your guy" isn't what you thought he was. God, this makes me mad. Yeah, the Democratic leadership and the likes of Rahm Emmanuel literally called its base a bunch of crying children (and people continue to in this very thread) as they were told that the Republican Party of Karl Rove, Fox News, and the Koch Brothers would never compromise with them, but what're you going to do? It seemed good at the time. This isn't hindsight is 20/20. There was never any indication that Obama would be accepted as the great uniter.
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Jan 7, 2015 19:49
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Warcabbit posted:Serious question. Is Jeb good at politics? Well if we are comparing him to having the charisma of a stack of lumber then I guess things look good.
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Jan 7, 2015 19:50
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zoux posted:I don't think so. Retirees live in constant fear of two things: somebody loving with Medicare and somebody loving with SS. They're framing it as 'layabout disability fraudsters are loving with your retirement check'.
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Jan 7, 2015 19:51
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Family Values posted:They're framing it as 'layabout disability fraudsters are loving with your retirement check'. You see, SS is going to run out of money tommorow/in 5 years/2034/75 years...
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Jan 7, 2015 19:53
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Family Values posted:Unfortunately this is going to play well among retirees, who have been fed a consistent narrative that there's rampant disability fraud. E.g. this 60 Minutes report. (See also the Media Matters response). I almost forgot about how much of a shithead Ira Glass is.
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Jan 7, 2015 19:57
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Grayly Squirrel posted:There was a lot of cognitive dissonance going on. When you volunteer for someone and vote for someone and advocate for someone you get invested. It's hard to admit that "your guy" isn't what you thought he was. And the Very Serious People are idiots and why the democratic party is flailing around like a drunken idiot.
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Jan 7, 2015 19:58
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The Very Serious People just don't give a poo poo about how their terrible policies affect people beyond keeping themselves in power or employed by people in power as long as The System keeps chugging along relatively steady.
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Jan 7, 2015 20:01
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Stultus Maximus posted:I almost forgot about how much of a shithead Ira Glass is. The This American Life guy?
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Jan 7, 2015 20:06
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Trabisnikof posted:But you only posted about the president. Youth voters don't vote in congressional elections at anywhere near the same rate as the rest of the population. Youth vote is also down 10% since the 60s: So youth vote is declining at a slower rate than the general population? Is that what you intended to show?
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Jan 7, 2015 20:07
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Trabisnikof posted:But you only posted about the president. Youth voters don't vote in congressional elections at anywhere near the same rate as the rest of the population. Youth vote is also down 10% since the 60s: In fairness there's a mitigating factor which would reduce "eligible voter turnout" naturally.
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Jan 7, 2015 20:10
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Radbot posted:That's what I loving said: Uh I also directly quoted something you said, I think your original post was unclear  I think I agree with what I now understand your argument to be, which is that you can't blame youth turnout on if anyone is catering to them or not.
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Jan 7, 2015 20:30
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Amused to Death posted:And so it begins You know the more I think about this the more pissed off I am. This and the ACA tweak. This is the poo poo that defines the Republican Party, and why I would happily dance a little jig if all of them got the Rapture they want. It isn't a policy decision to accomplish a public good. It isn't an efficiently tweak. It isn't even straight up principled opposition to something in the name of their beliefs in the role and responsibilities of the government. It is sabotage of something people depend on for the sole purpose of creating a talking point for their media outlets. That is the only loving purpose here. They want to address the employer mandate and disability pay? Great, let's have a big public debate on it. But this is just intentionally breaking poo poo so they can run against it and then roll back their change. The only loving point is to hurt people for a political gain. This poo poo is burning down the country because they will get to put their throne atop the ashes.
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Jan 7, 2015 20:33
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If the Rapture happened I think most Republican politicians would still be around.
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Jan 7, 2015 20:34
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Family Values posted:The This American Life guy? Yeah, him. Icon of upper middle class liberalism, who lives with his audience in an incredible bourgeois pseudeointellectual bubble quote:Jill Abramson was fired. and created the entire Planet Money spinoff (with its intersecting stories about the SSDI "abuse") which is literally Wall Street shilling. quote:Lincoln Financial Group — a sponsor of the Planet Money hit piece on Social Security disability — is listed as one of the largest finance-insurance companies in America, with over $141 billion in assets (the holding company’s name is Lincoln National Group, but the public name is "Lincoln Financial Group"). One of its subsidiaries, Lincoln Financial Media, owns some 14 radio stations across America. The Philadelphia Eagles play at Lincoln Financial Field. And this is such an excellent summary of TAL, which is human interest stories for liberals who think they're too intelligent for human interest stories The Onion posted:"We've done it," said senior producer Julie Snyder, who was personally interviewed for a 2003 This American Life episode, "Going Eclectic," in which she described what it's like to be a bilingual member of the ACLU trained in kite-making by a Japanese stepfather. "There is not a single existential crisis or self-congratulatory epiphany that has been or could be experienced by a left-leaning agnostic that we have not exhaustively documented and grouped by theme." Stultus Maximus fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Jan 7, 2015 |
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Jan 7, 2015 20:38
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zoux posted:If the Rapture happened I think most Republican politicians would still be around. "Hey where'd Ron Paul go?!"
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zoux posted:If the Rapture happened I think most Republican politicians would still be around. If the Rapture occurred and was only to take up genuinely good people to Heaven, no one would notice the drop of 15 people from the world population.
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Jan 7, 2015 20:39
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Stultus Maximus posted:and created the entire Planet Money spinoff (with its intersecting stories about the SSDI "abuse") which is literally Wall Street shilling. Ugh Planet Money is such poo poo one of the main reasons i stopped listening to public radio. That and the standard NPR "Hey lets talk about Social Security. I have in the studio an expert on Social Security and also a paid Heritage Foundation shill, I will be giving them equal time unless the Heritage guy goes over, which I will be OK with"
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Jan 7, 2015 20:45
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Radbot posted:So youth vote is declining at a slower rate than the general population? Is that what you intended to show? My point is that the youth always have voted at reduced rates to the overall population and thus have always been a lovely voting bloc to rely upon as a politician.
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Jan 7, 2015 20:48
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Trabisnikof posted:My point is that the youth always have voted at reduced rates to the overall population and thus have always been a lovely voting bloc to rely upon as a politician. And yet, Democrats used to cater to youth demands at least slightly more than they do now. Why was that, do you think?
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Jan 7, 2015 20:51
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Zeitgueist posted:Ugh Planet Money is such poo poo one of the main reasons i stopped listening to public radio. Man though, Sunday after Thanksgiving there was this Latino guy on saying "Latinos make up 15% of the US population but you can count the number of Latino senators on one hand" and my dad was going ballistic, saying "SENATE PROPORTIONS DON'T HAVE TO BE PROPORTIONAL TO OVERALL POPULATION, HOW COULD NPR LET THIS GUY ON." He literally believes that NPR is "very left-wing" even though it's all he listens to in the car.
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Family Values posted:Unfortunately this is going to play well among retirees, who have been fed a consistent narrative that there's rampant disability fraud. E.g. this 60 Minutes report. (See also the Media Matters response). This has certainly been the case in the UK. Also the great thing about using disabled people as a scapegoat is that they are about the least able to defend themselves of any group in society! Plus it gives great cover for people that political correctness gone mad has prevented from mocking disabled people in recent times. ReV VAdAUL fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Jan 7, 2015 |
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Jan 7, 2015 20:52
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Radbot posted:And yet, Democrats used to cater to youth demands at least slightly more than they do now. Why was that, do you think? When did they and how?
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That Planet Money piece was such a cold-blooded piece of poo poo hit piece. How loving hard is it to ask "Why are they doing this?" -> "Because there are no jobs where they live"? If I remember correctly they even used the world's tiredest cliche, job retraining (because diabetic, illiterate 50 year olds could totally be Node.js devs).
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Radbot posted:And yet, Democrats used to cater to youth demands at least slightly more than they do now. Why was that, do you think? Citation needed. Or are you from an alternate reality where LBJ ended the war in Vietnam? Edit: President McGovern did cater to the youth pretty hard, I forgot.
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Jan 7, 2015 20:54
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:
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computer parts posted:When did they and how? Well, to start, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claiborne_Pell - hell, even President Eisenhower (who I'm aware was a Republican) voiced his support for the 26th Amendment. You could also look to the '68 DNC to find a huge block of Democrats who supported the youth electorate (though obviously not the majority of Dems).
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Trabisnikof posted:Citation needed. I'm from that universe and the Soviet Union was so emboldened by American cowardice that the global revolution finally happened.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Man though, Sunday after Thanksgiving there was this Latino guy on saying "Latinos make up 15% of the US population but you can count the number of Latino senators on one hand" and my dad was going ballistic, saying "SENATE PROPORTIONS DON'T HAVE TO BE PROPORTIONAL TO OVERALL POPULATION, HOW COULD NPR LET THIS GUY ON." lol congress is 80% white and 80% male. What if that poo poo was 80% black women, people would freak the hell out.
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Regardless on if young voters have historically voted more or less for the Democrats, it really should be on the small amount of people with actually political and economic power to make the first move and get voters enthused instead of waiting for a disorganized and disenfranchised mass to suddenly become a huge voting block out of nowhere and "earn" their right to be represented in government policy.
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Radish posted:Regardless on if young voters have historically voted more or less for the Democrats, it really should be on the small amount of people with actually political and economic power to make the first move and get voters enthused instead of waiting for a disorganized and disenfranchised mass to suddenly become a huge voting block out of nowhere and "earn" their right to be represented in government policy. youth voters are generally not disenfranchised they just don't really care and have better things to do
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Zeitgueist posted:Ugh Planet Money is such poo poo one of the main reasons i stopped listening to public radio. Also, NPR fired their opera host for participating in Occupy Wall Street due to "conflict of interest." An opera host. They still run Planet Money despite Adam Davidson taking large speaking fees from major financial institutions. Oh and then there was the time Juan Williams went over to Fox and said that NPR has a minority problem. Liberals all rolled their eyes. Oh look, NPR cancelled their sole show that has minority viewpoints. Of course, Tavis Smiley bailed for PRI ten years earlier because NPR doesn't give a poo poo about non-upper middle class whites/ It's just too bad people think that all public radio is "NPR" because PRI is putting out much better material.
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