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Postal Parcel posted:Trust me, Akio gets his comeuppance. Not in a way one would expect but it's satisfying at least. Rangpur posted:Akio makes a really good villain. Without getting too deep into black-bar territory, I don't think the ending of Utena is ambiguous. The potential aftermath is very much open to interpretation. I just watched the ending, and while I would have loved an unambigiously happy ending, what I got was pretty good. Utena caused a small revolution in the end  Also liked how they took the notion of the passive princess and tore it apart. I have NO idea what's up with [spoiler] Utena's disappearence though. Is she dead? Or did she actually get sent away? Does she remember anything of what happened in that case? But I guess that's not really relevant for what the writer set out to do. I just think it's kind of heart-breaking that the last we see of of Utena is her crying because she thought she let Anthy down. And why was the door protected by Utena's pink roses? I guess I'll track down the movie but it's more like an alternate take on the story, right?
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Renoistic posted:I guess I'll track down the movie but it's more like an alternate take on the story, right? Yeah, same characters different beats. And while I wouldn't say it had a completely unambiguous happy ending, it's pretty close.
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Renoistic posted:I just watched the ending, and while I would have loved an unambigiously happy ending, what I got was pretty good. Utena caused a small revolution in the end She grew up, and left behind the children's world of Ohtori. The movie is aptly named.
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Jan 7, 2015 05:31
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Effectronica posted:She grew up, and left behind the children's world of Ohtori. The movie is aptly named. I like that interpretation. Great show overall. I marathoned it in three days and I can see why a lot of people remember it fondly.
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Utena: Akio wants to awaken the dormant ideal of the prince, embodied in Dios. An ideal is "something eternal, something shining:" a perfect concept that can only exist in the imaginary. Dios is something Lacan would call a master signifier. Basically, in our mundane world, nothing has inherent meaning: every idea must defer its meaning to something else. "Man" can mean "adult male," but "adult" could mean "grown" or "mature", which in turn could mean "large" or "fermented" . . . And so on ad nauseum. Our symbols for the world do not exist in and of themselves; they exist within an endless network, or chain. But Dios is different. Dios is an ideal. In Plato's view, our world is made up of dim shadows of the true Forms that exist within the divine. An ideal is the perfect, eternal shape. A human teacher operates only in deference to the ideal form of a "Teacher." In other words, you aren't a Teacher, you're only a pale imitation, an actor putting on the role of a teacher. But Dios, as the embodiment of the ideal Prince, is irreducible. Dios defers to Dios. He is a true, fixed identity. In a world full of dim shadows, Dios's brilliance becomes a master signifier: he becomes the one true thing in the world, the one thing that has value in and of himself, which makes him infinitely priceless and meaningful. And to become a Prince, to inherit the identity of Dios . . . These motivations lead Akio to usurp Ohtori Academy, which he turns into a sort of utopian project for awakening Dios. Utena, Touga, Souji, etc. are students in Akio's school-of-becoming-a-Prince. As long as they are willing participants yearning to become a Prince, they will never be able to grow up, stuck in a phase of fantasizing about becoming a fairytale hero that doesn't exist. Having been introduced to this state of inner-deficiency, this state of not-being in opposition to Dios's perfect self-being, the rose duelists are presented with a difficult choice: either continue believing in the legitimacy and potential for an eternal ideal Prince (necessitating that they continue the internal and external struggle of trying to actualize an imaginary concept, like Don Quixote), or leave behind the alluring promise of becoming someone who has value in and of themselves, of becoming something priceless and meaningful. Although all of this is tiptoeing around Anthy.
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Jan 7, 2015 21:33
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Why isnt he shirless on the cars hood while the car drives itself, its ruining my impression of Ikuhara.
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Jan 8, 2015 01:38
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Welp my lesbear bros, it's been fun, but it seems this thread will be gone soon, RIP
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DrPaper posted:Welp my lesbear bros, it's been fun, but it seems this thread will be gone soon, RIP As ridiculous as the content of the show is, I do not understand the threads getting gassed. The first episode was bizarre and surreal enough to spark interest and most of the blatant, over-the-top symbolism kept me laughing the entire time instead of cringing. Not sure what I was expecting going into a show about lesbians and bears, but it ended up being much more entertaining than I could have imagined. There are far more tasteless/boring/fan service-y/poorly put together shows that get dedicated threads in ADTRW.
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First episode was cool. I liked when the bear said delicious smell.
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Jan 8, 2015 02:21
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Sailor-Arrakis posted:As ridiculous as the content of the show is, I do not understand the threads getting gassed. The first episode was bizarre and surreal enough to spark interest and most of the blatant, over-the-top symbolism kept me laughing the entire time instead of cringing. Not sure what I was expecting going into a show about lesbians and bears, but it ended up being much more entertaining than I could have imagined. There are far more tasteless/boring/fan service-y/poorly put together shows that get dedicated threads in ADTRW. Right, and with the new regime, they're likely to get gassed too. Our anime overlord is harsh but fair.
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Sailor-Arrakis posted:There are far more tasteless/boring/fan service-y/poorly put together shows that get dedicated threads in ADTRW. You're right, this show about underage lesbians being raped by bears will surely be spared because there are more boring shows out there.
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DrPaper posted:You're right, this show about underage lesbians being raped by bears will surely be spared because there are more boring shows out there. More my line of thought tends to be: "If the Monogatari series is allowed to have discussion on this board. So should most things."
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Jan 8, 2015 02:36
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Sailor-Arrakis posted:More my line of thought tends to be: "If the Monogatari series is allowed to have discussion on this board. So should most things." They've already gassed threads for shows much tamer and less creepy than Yuri Bear Show. Make your time.
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Jan 8, 2015 02:37
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As one of the apparent minority who actually watched that first episode, there was no rape in it. There were lesbians and bears though!
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Jan 8, 2015 02:39
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Srice posted:As one of the apparent minority who actually watched that first episode, there was no rape in it. There were lesbians and bears though! I think he's suggesting that the "eating" is symbolism for sex. Which would absolutely not surprise me.
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Jan 8, 2015 02:40
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Sailor-Arrakis posted:I think he's suggesting that the "eating" is symbolism for sex. Which would absolutely not surprise me. It's always possible but I think trying to guess exactly what Ikuhara's game is this early in the show is a bit of a fool's errand.
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Jan 8, 2015 02:41
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The Bears are Westerners and the humans are Japanese mystery solved
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DrPaper posted:Welp my lesbear bros, it's been fun, but it seems this thread will be gone soon, RIP lesbroof
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Jan 8, 2015 02:44
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Well i for one watched the lesbear anime's first episode and it was weird.
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Jan 8, 2015 02:48
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All this talk about lesbians and bears and lesbian bears but I'm wondering what this "invisible storm" is.
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Jan 8, 2015 02:52
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An orgasm?
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"Ōkawa Haruyoshi, who was seven years old and the son of the Sankebetsu village mayor at the time of the incident, grew up to become an excellent bear hunter. He swore an oath to kill ten bears for every victim of the attack. By the time he reached the age of 62, he had killed 102 bears. He then retired and constructed the bear harm cenotaph (熊害慰霊碑 Yūgai Ireihi?), a shrine where people can pray for the dead villagers." May be relevant.
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Effectronica posted:"Ōkawa Haruyoshi, who was seven years old and the son of the Sankebetsu village mayor at the time of the incident, grew up to become an excellent bear hunter. He swore an oath to kill ten bears for every victim of the attack. By the time he reached the age of 62, he had killed 102 bears. He then retired and constructed the bear harm cenotaph (熊害慰霊碑 Yūgai Ireihi?), a shrine where people can pray for the dead villagers." Right, but how many of them did he gently caress?
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Darth Walrus posted:Right, but how many of them didn't he gently caress?
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Stall_19 posted:All this talk about lesbians and bears and lesbian bears but I'm wondering what this "invisible storm" is. Trolling/Bullying Arashi (storm) is used in japan to describe these. The class representative saying that people have been ignoring the storm for too long just sort of reinforces that image, since japan is notorious for having incredibly bad bullying. How that relates to lesbian bears is beyond me, when it looks like it was the bears that were doing it in the first place.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Trolling/Bullying Huh, didn't know that. As far as the bears' place in it, I guess they are the bullies, but it's too early to say much. But it is obvious from this episode that they are hunting down unaccompanied people which you could translate to the predatory nature of bullies.
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i wonder how bullying could relate to homosexuality hmmm
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Endorph posted:i wonder how bullying could relate to homosexuality Thats why I said it was weird, because it would be lesbians bullying lesbians. You can assume that everyone in the town is gay, so unless japan has a strange gay on gay bullying problem it wouldn't make sense at least as presented right now. There's definitely more to it than just this and it probably involves what the two different species of lesbians represent.
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I bet that everybody that you think is a Bear is really a Human, and everybody that is really a human is really a bear. That's just my two cents.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Thats why I said it was weird, because it would be lesbians bullying lesbians. You can assume that everyone in the town is gay, so unless japan has a strange gay on gay bullying problem it wouldn't make sense at least as presented right now. There's definitely more to it than just this and it probably involves what the two different species of lesbians represent. I've got a theory here, but it involves a lot of  about the Japanese attitude to homosexuality and media depictions thereof, so stop me here if you're not interested in that/don't want to talk about the sociopolitical subtext of a show about underaged lesbian bears.
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Kureha is a secret undercover bear.
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She has a gun, and is therefore the most dangerous of all the bears.
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Darth Walrus posted:I've got a theory here, but it involves a lot of If anything a thread for an Ikuhara show seems like the perfect place to go hog wild with that.
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Jan 8, 2015 04:24
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It's about man's inhumanity to man.
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Jan 8, 2015 04:26
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It's a surprise birthday party gone horribly wrong.
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There was a glitch in the matrix, and Kureha has to become the Ultimate Lily Warrior to fix it.
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It's really just an elaborate ad for the Japan Hunters Association. Rifles are cool, but handle weapons responsibly.
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Nature is Good, and so is Civilization, but maybe we should work together to strike a balance between the two, as citizens of earth.
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