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The Hungerford Massacre is currently occupying a lot of my curiosity, largely because nobody to date has been able to discern a viable motive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_massacre In 1987, a recluse named Michael Ryan decides to use several rifles and a handgun to destroy as many people as humanly possible -- which turns out is a frighteningly high number. 17 people died, including the shooter, while 16 were wounded. Police were largely helpless as they lacked the weaponry to confront the firepower of the murderer, and despite the offer of a passing SAS Team, were unable or unwilling to neutralize the man until he had taken his own life. "He refused to leave before knowing what happened to his mother, saying that her death was "a mistake". At 18:52, Ryan committed suicide by shooting himself in the head with the Beretta pistol. One of the statements Ryan made towards the end of the negotiations was widely reported: "Hungerford must be a bit of a mess. I wish I had stayed in bed."" What makes this massacre unique in my mind is the absolute lack of appreciative motive, the events that seem to have spiraled completely out of control (the term FUBAR comes to mind), the fact he killed his own mother in his battle fury, and his sheer aptitude at killing. Reading the chronology of events reminds me heavily of that stupid Uwe Boll film about the guy who shoots up a whole town. Humanity is disgusting without empathy.
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Doctor Malaver posted:How about a music break? There are two pretty good movies about this; Until The Light Takes Us and Once Upon a Time in Norway. The issue is that to get a good look at the issue you kind of need to see both because one is a very dry "facts only" history approach and the other is much more a look at the people involved in the crimes (but basically assumes you are familiar with the background information already). It does do a good job of capturing the sometimes strange and awkward relationship the modern extreme metal scene in Europe has with the church burnings and Varg.
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http://jalopnik.com/this-is-the-video-cnn-will-play-when-the-world-ends-1677511538 So were you ever curious what the last thing shown on earth would/or would have possibly been? Here's your answer at least for CNN. I do wonder if any other networks have stuff like this..and like what they're to do in the event of some sort of major diaster.
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Jan 6, 2015 04:32
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Well, one thing that every network has is pre-written obituaries for pretty much every major world figure. They just need periodic updating for any big changes and a blank spot at the end of date of death/age at time of death.
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muscles like this? posted:Well, one thing that every network has is pre-written obituaries for pretty much every major world figure. They just need periodic updating for any big changes and a blank spot at the end of date of death/age at time of death.   
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I was just reading the WW2 thread and wound up at 36th Waffen Grenadiers. I mean, I knew Nazis were evil, but fuuuuuck. The kinds of guys who'd have death camp commanders complaining about their harsh treatment of the prisoners. It was supposed to be a penal battalion, but it looks like someone hand-picked the absolute worst psychopaths and criminally insane to try and build some kinda Dirty Dozen battalion. They committed atrocities that were downright Japanese. But they did them to Slavs so Hitler was like "lol" and hoped they'd be inspirational badasses. When I started reading I was thinking "Man this article is POV, I wonder why nobody toned down the 'heinous bastards who were totally evil'-style language." but when I finished I was just thinking "this is why people who cosplay as the SS need to have their asses kicked". I do appreciate that when the war ended, the captured officers were either lynched or beaten to death by their own guards. Poland is still hunting these guys down.
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FuzzySkinner posted:http://jalopnik.com/this-is-the-video-cnn-will-play-when-the-world-ends-1677511538 I think they took the video down unfortunately.
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FuhrerHat posted:The Hungerford Massacre is currently occupying a lot of my curiosity, largely because nobody to date has been able to discern a viable motive. If you haven't seen it yet, you should watch Southcliffe. It's on Netflix, and according to wikipedia, follows the events and personal repercussions of a mass shooting in the fictional town of Southcliffe, the events and location of which contain very strong similarities with the Hungerford massacre. It's pretty good and the acting alone is incredible moving.
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Kimmalah posted:I think they took the video down unfortunately. It wasn't anything very exciting, just a blurry clip of a band playing Nearer My God To Thee.
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Kimmalah posted:I think they took the video down unfortunately. AV Club still has it: http://www.avclub.com/article/cnns-doomsday-video-leaks-internet-213449 Pharnakes posted:It wasn't anything very exciting, just a blurry clip of a band playing Nearer My God To Thee. And yeah, that. ^^^
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FuhrerHat posted:The Hungerford Massacre is currently occupying a lot of my curiosity, largely because nobody to date has been able to discern a viable motive. At the time, I remember various authorities blaming it on him playing some dungeons and dragons-type game. I think Star Trek was involved too. And horror films. Open and shut case.
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"QUOTE,Quote", how moving.
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BurroughsBane posted:If you haven't seen it yet, you should watch Southcliffe. It's on Netflix, and according to wikipedia, follows the events and personal repercussions of a mass shooting in the fictional town of Southcliffe, the events and location of which contain very strong similarities with the Hungerford massacre. It's pretty good and the acting alone is incredible moving. I watch drat near anything fictional on TV without flinching, and I simply could not watch the scene where a father had to go to the morgue to identify the body of his teenage daughter. It was unbearably raw and horrible. It's really very good, in a desperately bleak way.
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I wrote the top review on Netflix for Southcliffe, while drunk.
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Southcliffe is, indeed, good.
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http://www.damninteresting.com/this-place-is-not-a-place-of-honor/ I don't know if it's already been posted, but it's interesting how the U.S. department of energy has to make sure that people of the future don't mistake nuclear waste disposal sites as anything but what they are.
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Jan 8, 2015 08:39
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It has been posted before, but not that article, thank you. There are excerpts from the original report, as a PDF, HERE and it makes interesting reading. How do you tell people about the Mummy's Curse, way off in the future, when the language I'm typing in has only around like this, recognisable, for maybe 500 years? How do you make it look like "Stay Away! Danger!", and not "Stay Away! This Treasure Is Ours!"?
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Jan 8, 2015 12:15
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Teach posted:It has been posted before, but not that article, thank you. You show them one of these: https://www.google.com/search?q=goa...iw=1248&bih=764 And realize that goat.se isn't even on the front page. And cry. And be very sad.
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The North Tower posted:You show them one of these: https://www.google.com/search?q=goa...iw=1248&bih=764 From what I remember of my archaeology classes in college, they'll probably just be like "Hmm, yes this gaping anus clearly had some ritualistic significance." If you don't know what the hell it is or what it means - just say it was used in a ritual.
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Kimmalah posted:From what I remember of my archaeology classes in college, they'll probably just be like "Hmm, yes this gaping anus clearly had some ritualistic significance." If you don't know what the hell it is or what it means - just say it was used in a ritual. #gapinganuses WE WILL NEVER FORGET
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quote:Another suggested leaving significant human remains above-ground at the site, to frighten off any who might stumble across it This is exactly what I was going to say. If piles of skulls and skeletons impaled on pikes doesn't say "Do not enter, you will die," I don't know what will.
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The Endbringer posted:This is exactly what I was going to say. If piles of skulls and skeletons impaled on pikes doesn't say "Do not enter, you will die," I don't know what will. Or they'll just research the site in-depth like they do with ancient burials people find today.  Unfortunately I think it'll be really hard to overcome human curiosity. If they're lucky, even if people forget what the site was specifically used for there might still be a taboo surrounding the place that's passed down. Especially if the first few guys that went never came back or do but die of radiation sickness (which would probably seem like a mummy's curse if you didn't understand it).
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Jan 8, 2015 13:23
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Yeah piling up skeletons would be like catnip to archaeologists. "Look at all these bones we have to see wtf else is in there!" Anything that attracts attention is going to cause more people to dig into it, not less. Either bury it super deep, cap the chamber with a shitload of concrete and as many ways we can say "danger radioactive as hell" and fill the rest in with stone and soil like nothing was ever there or shoot it into the sun.
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Jan 8, 2015 13:45
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To steal from Oglaf: "Maybe it's so amazing, even dead people want to get in."
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Maybe bury something semi-obvious and make it look like nothing else is there?
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KozmoNaut posted:Maybe bury something semi-obvious and make it look like nothing else is there? People are smart and curious enough to see through that and go "ooh I wonder what they wanted to hide? let's put all the stuff they buried on public exhibition" and then half the population of New New New New York shits their organs out.
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Just booby trap the poo poo out of it with millions landmines. Even brain rotted desert apocalypse scavengers will eventually get the message when half their tribes has been turned to a fine red misty paste.
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Best thing to do is bury it deep in a remote and inhospitable place with no significant natural resources, leave no marker, and then just forget about it and hope for the best. Or chuck it all into a subduction zone and let the Earth take care of it.
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ReidRansom posted:Best thing to do is bury it deep in a remote and inhospitable place with no significant natural resources, leave no marker, and then just forget about it and hope for the best. These are the real answers. Building anything will always make people curious.
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I say we go the other direction, and make it look really appealing. We keep good enough records so that the only way some bullshit other society is going to go poking around in that place is if our current society is destroyed. That new society is a bunch of creeps and they told me that they thought you had a stupid haircut, so gently caress em.
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Jan 8, 2015 17:17
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Hide the stuff behind a wall decorated with really ornate and beautiful art. Or porn. Then no one's going to want to destroy it to see what's behind it.
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Ague Proof posted:Hide the stuff behind a wall decorated with really ornate and beautiful art. Or porn. The visigoths might like to have a word with you...
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Ague Proof posted:Hide the stuff behind a wall decorated with really ornate and beautiful art. Or porn.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamiyan
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Ok wait maybe he's onto something, if only assholes destroy priceless poo poo like that.
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Solice Kirsk posted:These are the real answers. Building anything will always make people curious. I agree. Put it somewhere hard enough to find where, if they do find it, it's because they already have sufficient knowledge/technology to know what they're dealing with.
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Just burying it as deeply is possible in a stable geological area and covering over seems the best way. Only way to find it would be a radiation sensor, and if you had that you'd presumably know not to go in. I'd imagine that's why burying it in a subduction zone is a bad idea, it would work eventually but before it goes under the chances are pretty good the chamber gets cracked open and contaminates the water table I'd imagine.
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Just chiming in to say I still support the color-changing cats plan.
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Just dump it all into the Marianas trench. Who are you going to piss off? Aqua Man? Godzilla? Cthulhu? Those guys all suck, and it's Future humanity's problem anyway.
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Wasabi the J posted:Ok wait maybe he's onto something, if only assholes destroy priceless poo poo like that. Yeah but they discovered 12 old caves after they dynamited, that had century old paintings. Moral muddy at best.
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Why not find the most desolate, uninhabitable shitbox of a place on the planet and just dump it there? Nobody willingly goes there anyway, and it's not like the people living in New Jersey will even notice the difference
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