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HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast

Hadlock posted:

Here's more info speculation on the MBA retina

.. and the award to the weirdest resolutions of the year goes to..

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shodanjr_gr
Nov 20, 2007

HalloKitty posted:

.. and the award to the weirdest resolutions of the year goes to..

The latter is a pixel-doubled 1366 by 768. The former is 1152 by 720 pixel-doubled which would be a bit unorthodox...Then again they might decide to do some non-integer scaling, similar to what happened with the iPhone 6+.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

YOU RESENT?

havelock posted:

What's the deal with the x250 vs the carbon x1? Why would you choose one over the other?

I like the VGA port on the x250, since I'm often at client sites with garbage old projectors and hate to have to carry stupid dongles around. Any other main differences?

I have a vaio z22 that is getting a bit shaky and up until CES hadn't seen anything that was really comparable. My wife has the current xps 13, but it's comparatively heavier (though the new one looks pretty nice, too).

Historically the x2xx is more powerful and practical (Faster chips, longer battery life, more rugged).

The X1 series is an ultra book, with a much higher resolution screen, thinner body & more modern styling, but has a bigger screen / frame.

Not much difference in terms of power now that they've reduced the x2xx series to U processors, and limited everything to 8GB ram. Also, the screen on the x250 comes in a 1080p IPS option, so less of a problem.

From my recent experience, the X1 series is far nicer, but has had flaky reliability & in the last version (Gen 2) was absolutely unusable due to horrible keyboard changes - now reverted.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

shodanjr_gr posted:

The latter is a pixel-doubled 1366 by 768. The former is 1152 by 720 pixel-doubled which would be a bit unorthodox...Then again they might decide to do some non-integer scaling, similar to what happened with the iPhone 6+.

They better not do an ARM chip.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


The new XPS 13 is really making me want to get rid of my y410p and Surface Pro 3 and just consolidate down to it. It's a drat fine looking machine.

I really want to get some benchmarks on the HD5500 from the ULV processors though. I'd like to get some idea on how it compares to the GT 750m in my y410p for running stuff like Borderlands 2 or Bioshock Infinite at 1600x900.

beefnoodle
Aug 7, 2004

IGNORE ME! I'M JUST AN OLD WET RAG
Any reason, other than not having an M-SATA option (or cost), not to get a Lenovo Y50?

Thanks

Dick Fagballzson
Sep 29, 2005

wooger posted:

From my recent experience, the X1 series is far nicer, but has had flaky reliability & in the last version (Gen 2) was absolutely unusable due to horrible keyboard changes - now reverted.

Can you elabortate more on the reliabilty problems of the Gen 2 Carbon, which is what I have. I know from talking to a Lenovo rep that the original carbon had a lot of issues related to the screen bezel breaking, which I'm pretty sure is why the Gen 2 has gorilla glass over the screen (in addition to being touch).

Dick Fagballzson fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Jan 8, 2015

10 Beers
May 21, 2005

Shit! I didn't bring a knife.

Michael Scott posted:

Especially if what you're buying is a regularly sized laptop and not an ultrabook. Ultrabooks can be difficult to modify, similar to but a little less difficult than modifying Mac laptops.

Speaking of, any further opinions on the Zenbook?

shodanjr_gr
Nov 20, 2007

bull3964 posted:

The new XPS 13 is really making me want to get rid of my y410p and Surface Pro 3 and just consolidate down to it. It's a drat fine looking machine.

I really want to get some benchmarks on the HD5500 from the ULV processors though. I'd like to get some idea on how it compares to the GT 750m in my y410p for running stuff like Borderlands 2 or Bioshock Infinite at 1600x900.

This might be relevant to you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTgubV1cwfo (shaky-cam comparison of the HD4400 to the HD5500).

Bunleigh
Jun 6, 2005

by exmarx
I just got a job where I'll be traveling occasionally and staying in hotels for up to a week at a time so I want to get a laptop I can play some games on. I see everyone recommending the Y50 so I'm checking those out now. My wife has a Lenovo with one of those horrible mushy clickpads, do the Y50s have that?

roomforthetuna
Mar 22, 2005

I don't need to know anything about virii! My CUSTOM PROGRAM keeps me protected! It's not like they'll try to come in through the Internet or something!

Bunleigh posted:

I just got a job where I'll be traveling occasionally and staying in hotels for up to a week at a time so I want to get a laptop I can play some games on. I see everyone recommending the Y50 so I'm checking those out now. My wife has a Lenovo with one of those horrible mushy clickpads, do the Y50s have that?
Yes.

Fuzz
Jun 2, 2003

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Been reading the last two pages and haven't been able to find what I'm looking for... Basically my budget is, at most, $1200 USD, but less would of course be ideal. What I'm looking for:

14 or 15"
16 gigs of RAM
IPS panel that handles at LEAST 1920x1080 and isn't terrible
Intel i5 processor over 3Ghz, ideally
Nvidia video card with at least 2 gigs of RAM (700 or 800 series)
Decent battery that doesn't require it to be plugged in to function

Y 50 seems close, though a bit overkill and it has a TN panel. Thoughts? I don't care about dumb promo software and poo poo like that. I also don't care about the SSD or disk drive.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

You don't care about an SSD because you'll be upgrading it to a Samsung Evo 850?... Or because you've never used a computer with a SSD before?

Michael Scott
Jan 3, 2010

by zen death robot

10 Beers posted:

Speaking of, any further opinions on the Zenbook?

Yeah, I like it a lot! My father likes it so much he might get one for himself as well, he had been using a circa 2008 netbook that died.

The UX303LA has a 128GB SSD and 8GB RAM, so it can get tight as a power user but not so tight that it's really noticeable in my opinion. I think it's a good value for the money.

It has a couple annoying quirks, like being unable to assign two-finger tap to middle click and permanent and perpetually auto-adjusting brightness. Those things are the worst things about it.

I can't really fault ASUS for the difficulty of opening it up and upgrading, since that's not exactly unexpected with this form factor. It's nice that the battery is user-replaceable, it's not soldered in.

Some lady takes apart the model here to see the innards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK-SRqrPj_E&t=993s

It's kind of like a Windows-version of the Macbook Air (the dimensions are identical).

Michael Scott fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Jan 9, 2015

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

Michael Scott posted:

permanent and perpetually auto-adjusting brightness. Those things are the worst things about it.


Try going into the Intel graphics control panel and turning off all power saving features.

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

Fuzz posted:

Been reading the last two pages and haven't been able to find what I'm looking for... Basically my budget is, at most, $1200 USD, but less would of course be ideal. What I'm looking for:

14 or 15"
16 gigs of RAM
IPS panel that handles at LEAST 1920x1080 and isn't terrible
Intel i5 processor over 3Ghz, ideally
Nvidia video card with at least 2 gigs of RAM (700 or 800 series)
Decent battery that doesn't require it to be plugged in to function

Y 50 seems close, though a bit overkill and it has a TN panel. Thoughts? I don't care about dumb promo software and poo poo like that. I also don't care about the SSD or disk drive.

Rather than going off clock speed (which pretty much doesn't matter) you need to decide if you need quad core or are happy with a dual core.

You also need to define 'decent battery'

I'm using an Asus N550 with a quad core i7 and an 850m which fulfills most of your needs however the screen isn't fantastic and battery life is about 4 hours of web surfing (much less under load)

Michael Scott
Jan 3, 2010

by zen death robot

dissss posted:

Try going into the Intel graphics control panel and turning off all power saving features.

I did that last night and it seemed to mostly do the trick. It's really not noticeable anymore.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Roughly a week ago I sent my newer laptop to Geek-squad for repairs from Portland ME. If they decide to replace it upon inspection, when can I expect to get a call saying that they'd replace it?

Also my older laptop has suddenly lost function of about a third of its keys. I tried cleaning them, which seemed to work last time, but not now.

Grouchio fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Jan 9, 2015

10 Beers
May 21, 2005

Shit! I didn't bring a knife.

Michael Scott posted:

Yeah, I like it a lot! My father likes it so much he might get one for himself as well, he had been using a circa 2008 netbook that died.

The UX303LA has a 128GB SSD and 8GB RAM, so it can get tight as a power user but not so tight that it's really noticeable in my opinion. I think it's a good value for the money.

It has a couple annoying quirks, like being unable to assign two-finger tap to middle click and permanent and perpetually auto-adjusting brightness. Those things are the worst things about it.

I can't really fault ASUS for the difficulty of opening it up and upgrading, since that's not exactly unexpected with this form factor. It's nice that the battery is user-replaceable, it's not soldered in.

Some lady takes apart the model here to see the innards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK-SRqrPj_E&t=993s

It's kind of like a Windows-version of the Macbook Air (the dimensions are identical).

The only upgrading I'd do would be upping the memory, but I do already have a 1TB external hard drive. However, I was thinking about using that for my XBox One, and getting a new one. If I was to get a new one, would it be worth it to get an external SSD, or just get a regular hard drive?

Fuzz
Jun 2, 2003

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Hadlock posted:

You don't care about an SSD because you'll be upgrading it to a Samsung Evo 850?... Or because you've never used a computer with a SSD before?

I have like 4 256 gig SSDs at home, brand new. 2 Samsung, 2 Corsair. I'll manage. :smug:

dissss posted:

Rather than going off clock speed (which pretty much doesn't matter) you need to decide if you need quad core or are happy with a dual core.

You also need to define 'decent battery'

I'm using an Asus N550 with a quad core i7 and an 850m which fulfills most of your needs however the screen isn't fantastic and battery life is about 4 hours of web surfing (much less under load)

My usage would mostly be general use (browsing, streaming pornNETFLIX, basic Office stuff, IRC, Skype) with the most intensive thing being gaming, by far. As 95+% of games are still mostly single threaded, clock speed actually is what matters. Honestly I'm not looking for some top poo poo gaming laptop, it'd mainly end up being for XCOM, Crusader Kings 2, Telltale games, that sort of thing. Maybe Planetside 2, but probably not. So to answer your question, dual core probably would be fine, I generally won't be encoding a movie while also watching another one, downloading 4 others, and skyping with someone while also playing a separate ROLL20 game or whatever. I just want a current i5 that'll perform relatively well and has a single core click speed of 2 gigs, at minimum. My current laptop is a first gen i7 with 1.2s and oh god they are worthless for gaming.

Addendum: it needs a non-lovely wifi card, too, but those are relatively standard nowadays. Figured I'd still mention it.

Oh yeah, and it would be really nice if it had an eSATA port since yeah... I have a lot of SSDs and other floating drives.

HDMI out would also be big, but that's also kinda standard with a lot of the nVidia card laptops.

Backlit keyboards are mostly standard now, right?

My last two laptops have been Dell Inspirons, and overall I've been pleased with their reliability but their performance was usually meh for how much I paid... they were more work and less play focused, so their video cards were always mediocre and they had built in BD drives and poo poo like that. Current one gets a solid 3 hours of continual use on battery, more would be nice. Was aiming for at least 5 for browsing and such.

I don't care so much if it's pretty like a Macbook, though it'd be nice if it were light. Honestly the Lenovo Thinkpads look great, it's just they don't seem to let you actually customize anything.

Fuzz fucked around with this message at 10:46 on Jan 9, 2015

FuzzySlippers
Feb 6, 2009

Michael Scott posted:

I did that last night and it seemed to mostly do the trick. It's really not noticeable anymore.

Try Function A. That turns it off on my Asus laptop. I've also been trying to figure out a way to assign Middle Click to anything on the trackpad but no go.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?
PROBLEM:

My Y50 has a bad habit of "resetting" the Windows setting that determines the keypress-repeat rate on held-down keys, which includes the arrow-keys for scrolling, usually after being woken from sleep.

Anyone know what the Deal is with that?

Tacier
Jul 22, 2003

Am I going to feel stupid if I buy a laptop with 1078x768 resolution in the year of our lord 2015? I'm considering a Lenovo X230 from their outlet store (assuming one pops up again) to learn programming on. It sounds like that model has a nice IPS display, but I'm concerned that resolution is going to be a huge drag. Are there any other good 13" options with a higher resolution that come to mind which can be had used/refurbished for <$500? Maybe a T430 would be a better option--I'm just concerned it'll be too big and doesn't have the IPS.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

Get the T430S with a 1600x900 screen or something, it's not really that big. 1366x768 will make you want to kill yourself if you are programming.

BetterToRuleInHell
Jul 2, 2007

Touch my mask top
Get the chop chop
Hi guys. I'm a simple goons when it comes to what I'm looking for. Help me out, won't you?

I saw the news that Acer unveiled a new Chromebook at CES, which I believe is the biggest Chromebook to date @ 15". This got me wondering if it was time to upgrade to a new notebook and if a Chromebook was the solution.

Right now I'm using a Acer Aspire 5251-1513 with Ubuntu. It's fine, but between my phone and my Nexus tablet I've begun to really get into tying together all my taking advantage of accessing of my docs and media across every platform.

I think my biggest requirement for a new notebook would be how it handles video and media playback. I watch a lot of streams and generally stuff like Youtube, Twitch and cable playback really start to slow down the performance of my notebook.

How would Chromebooks stack up to that? I'm not producing video material or anything crazy like that, I honestly just to be able to log into my XFinity account or Twitch stream and not have my notebook hang for 15-20 seconds every time. Plus the Chromebook pricepoint is good, although honestly I haven't shopped around other notebooks yet.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Tacier posted:

Am I going to feel stupid if I buy a laptop with 1078x768 resolution in the year of our lord 2015? I'm considering a Lenovo X230 from their outlet store (assuming one pops up again) to learn programming on. It sounds like that model has a nice IPS display, but I'm concerned that resolution is going to be a huge drag. Are there any other good 13" options with a higher resolution that come to mind which can be had used/refurbished for <$500? Maybe a T430 would be a better option--I'm just concerned it'll be too big and doesn't have the IPS.

I'm in the same boat, looking at a Thinkpad for Linux compatibility, and the x230 is the right size/price, but that screen is low res. Also sadly 16:9.

My workplace issues them, so I know what they're like pretty well.
If you *love* the track point, they're a good option, but if you prefer a trackpad avoid them - all Thinkpads prior to (maybe) the newly announced ones have garbage trackpads.

I look at Macbook pro retina screens and despair. I'd feel bad buying one, but it's hard to believe how incompetent their competitors are in the UK - there are literally no decent laptops available in b&m stores here other than Macbooks - just low end plastic junk.

I'd consider a dell (perhaps the new XPS 13) but I'd be buying blind, no where to try one that I'm aware of.

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

😎🐗🚬

So now that CES is over and there's no news on any T540 updates, I guess I can go ahead and order one before the winter sale ends on the 14th. Crossing my fingers that I don't end up getting one of those lovely touchpads. Even if model updates were announced, they don't seem to ever publish release dates anyway :shrug:

Mak0rz fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Jan 10, 2015

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Mak0rz posted:

So now that CES is over and there's no news on any T540 updates, I guess I can go ahead and order one before the winter sale ends on the 14th. Crossing my fingers that I don't end up getting one of those lovely touchpads. Even if model updates were announced, they don't seem to ever publish release dates anyway :shrug:

If that uses the full power UQ CPUs, word is that they're not going to be ready till June - so I guess they can't announce now.

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

😎🐗🚬

wooger posted:

If that uses the full power UQ CPUs, word is that they're not going to be ready till June - so I guess they can't announce now.

Yeah, I just finished a chat session with a rep and they said there is no word on changes to the T540 touchpad right now. Oh well, I'll live.

More annoying questions: Do I have to worry about SSD form factor? Notebook drives come in 5" and 7" forms, right? Which would be compatible with the T540p? I'm getting an 840 Evo. Secondly, what would be a good Canadian distributor for some Sick Deals on the SSD? So far the cheapest I've found were on Newegg.ca.

Mak0rz fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Jan 10, 2015

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

Fuzz posted:

My usage would mostly be general use (browsing, streaming pornNETFLIX, basic Office stuff, IRC, Skype) with the most intensive thing being gaming, by far. As 95+% of games are still mostly single threaded, clock speed actually is what matters. Honestly I'm not looking for some top poo poo gaming laptop, it'd mainly end up being for XCOM, Crusader Kings 2, Telltale games, that sort of thing. Maybe Planetside 2, but probably not. So to answer your question, dual core probably would be fine, I generally won't be encoding a movie while also watching another one, downloading 4 others, and skyping with someone while also playing a separate ROLL20 game or whatever. I just want a current i5 that'll perform relatively well and has a single core click speed of 2 gigs, at minimum. My current laptop is a first gen i7 with 1.2s and oh god they are worthless for gaming.

Most dual core consumer laptops are running ULV these days (U suffix) which have relatively low base clock speeds, but quite large amounts of turbo available so performance depends a lot on how long they can actually sustain turbo with the cooling system so you really need to read some reviews.

Normal chips still exist (M suffix) with higher base/turbo speeds but these generally don't rely on turbo as much.


Fuzz posted:

Addendum: it needs a non-lovely wifi card, too, but those are relatively standard nowadays. Figured I'd still mention it.

Nope still plenty of lovely cards around - make sure you check this out

Fuzz posted:

Oh yeah, and it would be really nice if it had an eSATA port since yeah... I have a lot of SSDs and other floating drives.

ESATA is dead - doubt you'll find it on a new system

Fuzz posted:

HDMI out would also be big, but that's also kinda standard with a lot of the nVidia card laptops.

ThinkPads (and other corporate focused models) have DisplayPort instead so you'd need an adapter (very cheap)


Fuzz posted:

Backlit keyboards are mostly standard now, right?

Common but not standard

Fuzz posted:

I don't care so much if it's pretty like a Macbook, though it'd be nice if it were light. Honestly the Lenovo Thinkpads look great, it's just they don't seem to let you actually customize anything.

Depends on the model - the T-series is almost endlessly customisable (for a price) whereas the smaller, thinner models are pretty much as they come.

Fuzz
Jun 2, 2003

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dissss posted:

Most dual core consumer laptops are running ULV these days (U suffix) which have relatively low base clock speeds, but quite large amounts of turbo available so performance depends a lot on how long they can actually sustain turbo with the cooling system so you really need to read some reviews.

Normal chips still exist (M suffix) with higher base/turbo speeds but these generally don't rely on turbo as much.


Nope still plenty of lovely cards around - make sure you check this out


ESATA is dead - doubt you'll find it on a new system


ThinkPads (and other corporate focused models) have DisplayPort instead so you'd need an adapter (very cheap)


Common but not standard


Depends on the model - the T-series is almost endlessly customisable (for a price) whereas the smaller, thinner models are pretty much as they come.

Seems like they don't really have any i5 laptops that are larger than 13" and aren't lovely anymore... what's up with that?

Also how come Lenovo doesn't show whether they have IPS screens? Kinda lame.

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/t-series/t540p/

Not exactly available with a gaming graphics card though, 730M is the only option

IPS is mentioned where it applies

Fuzz
Jun 2, 2003

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dissss posted:

http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/t-series/t540p/

Not exactly available with a gaming graphics card though, 730M is the only option

IPS is mentioned where it applies

Yeah, that was the only one I could find it was less than ideal. Might have to look into Asus, since Dell is too drat expensive and I really don't want to buy another Inspiron.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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dissss posted:

Normal chips still exist (M suffix) with higher base/turbo speeds but these generally don't rely on turbo as much.

Pretty sure the M suffix are the even lower power fanless-capable broadwell chips, which are already out. Fuller power mobile chips are now UQ suffix.

They changed all the suffixes up a while back.

Fuzz
Jun 2, 2003

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Hmmm, looking like the Y50 is probably my best bet for bang for buck. Goons seem to like it, yeah?

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

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Fuzz posted:

Hmmm, looking like the Y50 is probably my best bet for bang for buck. Goons seem to like it, yeah?

I have it and it's pretty great. Has some drawbacks (mediocre screen and trackpad) but it's a shitton of horsepower for (comparatively) not that much money so I'd say it's still your best option.

Fuzz
Jun 2, 2003

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The Iron Rose posted:

I have it and it's pretty great. Has some drawbacks (mediocre screen and trackpad) but it's a shitton of horsepower for (comparatively) not that much money so I'd say it's still your best option.

How bad is the screen? THat's the main thing holding me back. :smith:

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?

Fuzz posted:

How bad is the screen? THat's the main thing holding me back. :smith:

It's fine. It's not super-high-end and the viewing angles aren't spectacular but I've not had any real problems with it so far.

tupacalypse
Jan 1, 2013

by Pragmatica
Anyone have any experience with the Lenovo Z50? Potentially might buy one while they are on sale.

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dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

wooger posted:

Pretty sure the M suffix are the even lower power fanless-capable broadwell chips, which are already out. Fuller power mobile chips are now UQ suffix.

They changed all the suffixes up a while back.

Not when we're talking about Haswell which is still in most stuff
Y = lowest voltage soldered
U = Ultra low voltage soldered
M - Standard voltage dual core socketed
HQ = Quad core soldered
MQ = Quad core socketed
X = Extreme

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haswell_%28microarchitecture%29#Mobile_processors

Core M is a different thing entirely and is even lower voltage than the Y Haswell chips (note that Core M chips don't actually have an 'M' suffix)

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