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SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

Bobulus posted:

I just don't know what to think of this update.

It's just an update that appeals to the tumblr fans that makes up a large percentage of Homestuck's audience. It's not like Hussie hasn't pandered to the fans before.

SyntheticPolygon fucked around with this message at 07:07 on Jan 9, 2015

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Poultron
May 26, 2006

It doesn't make me happy if you call me cute, you bastard!

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

No, disliking this update means you're not a pedophile: Vriska is 13, Meenah is 19, those numbers do not belong together.

Jesus Christ

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.
I think the extreme level of influence Meenah is having on Vriska, and what that says about the nature of their relationship, is also pretty creepy.

Madtrixr
Nov 27, 2010


SyntheticPolygon posted:

It's just an update that appeals to the tumblr fans that makes up a large percentage of Homestuck's audience. It's not like Hussie hasn't pandered to the fans before.

Its also not like he hasn't thrown them a bone only for it to end in a horrible fashion, like remember what happened to Nepeta? This is a classic hussie setup, where it can go a bunch of different ways, including the fakeout where nothing actually happens to them.

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


Poultron posted:

Jesus Christ

I'm mostly joking. Mostly.

GeneX posted:

I think the extreme level of influence Meenah is having on Vriska, and what that says about the nature of their relationship, is also pretty creepy.

But yeah, their relationship came off as 'big sister and little sister' and now that they're making out I can't help but feel a little uncomfortable.

Maybe it's because I don't watch enough anime.

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

GeneX posted:

I think the extreme level of influence Meenah is having on Vriska, and what that says about the nature of their relationship, is also pretty creepy.

And it's still the healthiest relationship between two trolls in the comic.

net cafe scandal
Mar 18, 2011

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

No, disliking this update means you're not a pedophile: Vriska is 13, Meenah is 19, those numbers do not belong together.

gently caress off.

Action Shakespeare
Mar 25, 2010

TIME magazine's Person of the Year 1996
the true key to meenahs heart is simply admitting everything she says and does is cool and awesome

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007


Batman's Shameful Secret › MSPA - is it too much to ask that my favorite oc not fall in gay love

Poultron
May 26, 2006

It doesn't make me happy if you call me cute, you bastard!

Grapplejack posted:


Batman's Shameful Secret › MSPA - is it too much to ask that my favorite oc not fall in gay love


We haven't gotten a good title yet but I vote for this one since it's official

net cafe scandal
Mar 18, 2011

Please don't draw attention to this thread.

Other
Jul 10, 2007

Post it easy!
Oh good, this act of author ownage has both the enchanted cliffscape and the proximity to horses and not just the latter

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


net cafe scandal posted:

gently caress off.

No. Why don't YOU gently caress on. See what I did there? I flipped it on ya'.

Fender Anarchist
May 20, 2009

Fender Anarchist

Just realized this has been the same thread since right before Cascade. And the thread name was because we thought it was nearly over at that point. :allears:

ANIME MONSTROSITY
Jun 1, 2012

by XyloJW
can we have another month of trickster mode instead

Mischalaniouse
Nov 7, 2009

*ribbit*

paranoid randroid posted:

Its like if the first thing Galatea said to Pygmalion was "I was thinking we should both start seeing other people".

Oh my god, this is the most perfect analogy. Also, hilarious.

Frionnel
May 7, 2010

Friends are what make testing worth it.

Grapplejack posted:


Batman's Shameful Secret › MSPA - is it too much to ask that my favorite oc not fall in gay love


Oh hey, did i open the Korra thread, my bad.

a neat cape
Feb 22, 2007

Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!
homestuck is cool

i hope john warps to horse mountain

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass

paranoid randroid posted:

No I'm sorry the volcano kiss still wins for the sheer audacity of mailing your own head to a guy with a note reading no time to explain, kiss me!

Yeah but that was legit hilarious, like some really super awful pulp fiction stuff. This update was more like the opening to a mediocre pornographic fanfic.

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

No, disliking this update means you're not a pedophile: Vriska is 13, Meenah is 19, those numbers do not belong together.

This update is bad and uncomfortable because it feels forced, like for all that Hussie is supposedly against this we're watching him smoosh his dolls together. Like I said, it's like bad fanfic, but not the good kind of bad fanfic.

For all that they've been getting along, these two have about as much chemistry as vinegar and baking soda (some people thought it would be cool, but they were wrong and now there's a bad smell and a disappointing mess on the floor)

Classtoise
Feb 11, 2008

THINKS CON-AIR WAS A GOOD MOVIE

Bobulus posted:

...certainly seems likely. But, man. :/

I dunno what'd be worse.

Meenah wandering around, lonely, with a hint of what happened.
Or Meenah knowing exactly what happened and Vriska has no idea who this crazy fish troll is.

Both about 3 minutes before LE blows that dream bubble out of the sky.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!

Renaissance Robot posted:

This update is bad and uncomfortable because it feels forced, like for all that Hussie is supposedly against this we're watching him smoosh his dolls together. Like I said, it's like bad fanfic, but not the good kind of bad fanfic.

This is what I got from it too. I have never really liked Hussie's self-insert self or his antics because it's like, even if you're just doing it as a joke and the self-insert who thinks he knows everything is the joke itself... that doesn't make it excusable or a good joke.

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...
This is easily the most pointless, worthless upd8 in the history of Homestuck.

Cabbit
Jul 19, 2001

Is that everything you have?

The point is just to make Vriska happy and content and then have it taken away when she's sent back to life, because Good Things Do Not Happen To Vriska Serket. I would not analyze the situation any further than that.

Vriska coming back to life could not be telegraphed any harder if Western Union was writing this.

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007

Cabbit posted:

The point is just to make Vriska happy and content and then have it taken away when she's sent back to life, because Good Things Do Not Happen To Vriska Serket. I would not analyze the situation any further than that.

Vriska coming back to life could not be telegraphed any harder if Western Union was writing this.

I would legit not be surprised if there were some retcon/alternate timeline/plot device/whatever dynamics that eventually result in Vriska remembering that at one point, in one iteration of reality, she was not a miserable rear end in a top hat. Just to give that particular dagger a little twist.

Plom Bar
Jun 5, 2004

hardest time i ever done :(
Vriska tried to force herself on Tavros, Equius rewired Aradia's brain to be attracted to him, Cronus abuses Mituna (who is mentally ill), Gamzee and Terezi attempt to murder eachother constantly, but THIS, the one with two willing, mutually attracted trolls, this is the one you guys balk at.

Y'all are weird.

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...
six solar sweeps

e: more seriously those examples were off the wall extreme in true huss style and funny as gently caress.

Vriska and Meenah's normality and more down to earth relationship fuckedness makes it creepy.

Clawtopsy fucked around with this message at 10:19 on Jan 9, 2015

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!

Plom Bar posted:

Vriska tried to force herself on Tavros, Equius rewired Aradia's brain to be attracted to him, Cronus abuses Mituna (who is mentally ill), Gamzee and Terezi attempt to murder eachother constantly, but THIS, the one with two willing, mutually attracted trolls, this is the one you guys balk at.

Y'all are weird.

Well yeah and in those examples it was hammed up to gently caress so seeing it played out straightforward and legitimately is different enough to be considered weird. I don't find it weird so much as unnecessary but I can see where the people saying it feels weird are coming from.

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass

WAR FOOT posted:

more seriously those examples were off the wall extreme in true huss style and funny as gently caress.

Vriska and Meenah's normality and more down to earth relationship fuckedness makes it creepy.

Same applies to the self insert. The whole never-ending story sequence was great because it was completely bizarre (including the troll cosplay, as that had at the time only just started being a thing that IRL people did, so it wasn't mundane yet).

Proposing to Vriska in the desert was still funny but with frayed edges because it shifted the tone from "Alice in Wonderland" to "tonight on the f plus..."

And now we're here, defeated, in the vicinity of some horses.

reignonyourparade
Nov 15, 2012

Plom Bar posted:

Equius rewired Aradia's brain to be attracted to him

Hey she pulled that chunk out and made out with him anyway, that was frankly the LEAST hosed up part of SadoMasoPedoRoboNecroBestiality.

frozentreasure
Nov 13, 2012

~
Meanwhile, that Paradox Space was about a week too late and all over the place. Can we get more Crowbar again?

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013



It has begun

Rohan Kishibe
Oct 29, 2011

Frankly, I don't like you
and I never have.

Cabbit posted:

The point is just to make Vriska happy and content and then have it taken away when she's sent back to life, because Good Things Do Not Happen To Vriska Serket. I would not analyze the situation any further than that.

Vriska coming back to life could not be telegraphed any harder if Western Union was writing this.

Even if this update serves some narratived purpose in the grand scheme of things, it's not funny or entertaining in any way,so it's really just wasted pages. The whiplash between last update and this one is pretty high!

Davinci
Feb 21, 2013
If this vriska gets retconned out of existence who do you think real vriska is gonna kiss next

Nephthys
Mar 27, 2010

Y'all are a bunch of big babies. This was overly sugary sweet for a reason that's going to become apparent real soon. It was so ridiculously over the top happy that it's obviously just set up for tragedy. Calm your tits and stop declaring Homestuck ruined with every slow update. This was just set up, it needs to happen.

I mean, if you guys think this is bad I can only imagine the agony you'd be feel reading OotS with like 2-3 loving months of nothing happening.

Nephthys fucked around with this message at 12:52 on Jan 9, 2015

karmicknight
Aug 21, 2011
But Homestuck is ruined with every update, and each update gets Homestuck more ruined.

Zeruel
Mar 27, 2010

Alert: bad post spotted.

Nephthys posted:

I mean, if you guys think this is bad I can only imagine the agony you'd be feel reading OotS Berserk with like 2-3 loving months years of nothing happening.

:colbert: fixed that for ya

I'm just a sucker for people being mutually happy so I liked this update.

segoli
Oct 23, 2010

But of course, from a thief's perspective, the best kind of ladder is the rope-ladder. A step-ladder is much too heavy to carry around, after all.
This demonstrates that Vriska and Meenah's gayness for each other is such a constant that even the author cannot change it, much as he would like to, which means that if we get a retjohn that ends with them having 1)no memories of this and 2)no feelings for each other, John will canonically be more powerful than the author of the story. Which would be weird.

I can't remember what the conditions are for this or if it's at all common, but if I remember correctly it was definitely established that characters outside of the alpha timeline can contribute their memories and emotions to their alpha timeline selves (it happened with the doomed timeline with only Dave and Rose alive, I think?), so if this counts as not an alpha timeline (wait, do dream bubbles count as fitting into any timeline at all? I can't remember at all), I wouldn't be surprised if they both have latent memories of all of this later on. It would have pretty significant repercussions on their personalities, because they'd have to weigh their shared tendency to want to manipulate everything that's going on against their instinctual understanding that the possibility of annihilation isn't actually that bad if you can roll down a hill and kiss someone and chill.

I really need to go back and reread this whole comic, because I started reading it right when it started, and I've never gone back and done a complete reread of the whole thing, and there are a lot of big details that I'm extremely hazy on...

Regy Rusty
Apr 26, 2010

This update was good and funny, y'alls dumb

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry

Nephthys posted:

It was so ridiculously over the top happy that it's obviously just set up for tragedy.

Which really says something, considering both people involved have resigned themselves to double death.

Even if this Vriska and Meenah never existed because of what John's doing, the readers will still remember. But I don't know if a doomed narrative can have the same impact on a character as your ordinary doomed timeline.

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zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

Davinci posted:

If this vriska gets retconned out of existence who do you think real vriska is gonna kiss next

Probably John, it'll be in the next set of instructions left for him on Terezi's blindfold.

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