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Joementum posted:Well the Republicans are going to switch the CBO to dynamic scoring, so that'll be a start. God that is such loving bullshit, and exactly the kind of misleading superficiality that the GOP has completely dominated political dialogue with.
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Shageletic posted:http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/01/what-students-in-china-have-taught-me-about-us-college-admissions/384212/ TOEFL cheating is rampant as well, as is simple rote memorization which completely defeats the purpose of the test. Many students arrive in the US unable to speak or write anywhere near as well as their scores indicate they should be able to do. Admissions departments only care to the extent that they don't want the student to completely flunk out and stop paying fees. Having them need remedial English classes is a bonus as far as they are concerned. Also the riot wasn't just over being prevented from cheating it was over being prevented from cheating while still being compared with and competing against students in other areas who were cheating.
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Quidam Viator posted:Literally my only point is if that's your best strategy, to try to wait out a 30-year demographic shift, desperately hoping that an angry, vicious, and motivated party with terrible ideas doesn't get lucky and win once, then you're basically hosed. Obama was (god forgive me) a black swan event; he conned all of us, including me, into becoming Obamatars, and a lot of sketchy Dems rode in on his coattails. The Democratic Party does not have another Obama waiting in the wings. They have fuckin Hillary. Am I really crazy for imagining that a Hillary presidency after Obama and the Little Congress That Wouldn't is like a perfect recipe for left wing apathy? The Republicans have gotten SO GOOD at obstruction, and they aren't paying a price for stunts like government shutdowns. Hey don't forget Walker getting re-elected and fighting off recalls after loving up and doing nothing but being a spiteful turd. I'm with you in that I don't think there's much hope considering that Americans are more than willing to gently caress themselves over as long as someone they don't like gets hosed as well and there's a profit to be made from that.
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Joementum posted:Well the Republicans are going to switch the CBO to dynamic scoring, so that'll be a start. I knew I could count on you Joe. What a clusterfuck it's going to be to try to get anything funded, and how convenient that is for the Republicans! EDIT: Radish, I can't believe I forgot that teacher-union killing motherfucker. You're totally right.
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Quidam Viator posted:Am I really crazy for imagining that a Hillary presidency after Obama and the Little Congress That Wouldn't is like a perfect recipe for left wing apathy? Here's what will happen: The election of Jeb Bush will electrify the left against conservatives and their policies. After eight years, they'll blindly elect another Democratic conservative in liberal/progressive's clothing, possibly Elizabeth Warren. Then we'll get to repeat 2008-2016 all over again.
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What's really scary is that when things get worse, all the poor white people that are getting hosed over aren't going to join some sort of socialist revolution, but join fascist groups as neither party gives a poo poo about the poor and it's easier to get people riled up against scary minorities and foreigners than the actually thing that is hurting them. The Tea Party is a precursor to even more right wing craziness the next time the economy tanks and the people in power decide that another bank bailout while ignoring their victims is the Sensible Solution.
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Cheesus posted:You're crazy since that won't happen. Oh are we Arzying already? 
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Demographic shifts aren't going to be as powerful as you think. The real hope is that more and more white people come to their senses about the Southern Strategy-type bullshit, as well as white privilege, institutional racism, and so on. For example, only 10% of marriages are interracial and minority/mixed families are not truly outbreeding whites at a quick enough pace. Yeh, there are lots of articles hoping for/fearing the coming minority tide, but there are regressive forces at work to disenfranchise the poor (who are largely from minority populations)...basically, there is an epic struggle going on between demographic changes and disenfranchisement policies, with those policies creating a substantial headwind. Edit: Also the aforementioned "conservative-centrist in liberal/progressive clothing" bullshit. I object to Elizabeth Warren being included in that (by American definitions of "liberal/progressive"), but Hillary and every other major potential Democratic candidate is as left-wing as my right nut. There's very little progressive pressure in our politics these days, so any demographic shift is going to do gently caress ALL to fix our problems. anonumos fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Jan 9, 2015 |
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zoux posted:Oh are we Arzying already? What a great verb. To arzy.
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zoux posted:NYT put a hi res photo of Boehner in the Sherman Williams Color Matcher USPol February: Husky Orange versus Black Dynamite
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Curt Schilling is mad that being a Republican is keeping him out of the Baseball Hall of Fame.quote:"[Smoltz] is a Hall-of-Famer. And I think the other big thing is that I think he's a Democrat, and so... I know that as a Republican, that there's some people who really don't like that." Also, too, Comrade Smoltz maxed out his donation to Mitt Romney, so maybe there's some other reason people don't like Curt. 
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Cheesus posted:You're crazy since that won't happen. poo poo man, I thought I was getting smeared as an accelerationist because I had the gall to suggest that Jebbles had a chance to win, riding on a wave of right wing assholery! Let's all close our eyes and do a thought experiment: It's 2016, and Jeb is president, and the GOP still controls the House and Senate. Let's sit back and imagine the gentle, compassionate waves of GOP policy, bottled up after eight years of Obama, lapping gently over our faces. And there's Jeb, just signing it all into law, while his dad's oil and defense and finance buddies enjoy an avuncular chuckle, standing right behind him. *SIGH* It's fuckin dreamy.
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Joementum posted:Curt Schilling is mad that being a Republican is keeping him out of the Baseball Hall of Fame.  Quidam Viator posted:poo poo man, I thought I was getting smeared as an accelerationist because I had the gall to suggest that Jebbles had a chance to win, riding on a wave of right wing assholery! Let's all close our eyes and do a thought experiment: It's 2016, and Jeb is president, and the GOP still controls the House and Senate. Let's sit back and imagine the gentle, compassionate waves of GOP policy, bottled up after eight years of Obama, lapping gently over our faces. And there's Jeb, just signing it all into law, while his dad's oil and defense and finance buddies enjoy an avuncular chuckle, standing right behind him. *SIGH* It's fuckin dreamy. No you're being labeled as an accelerationist because you want to revel in poo poo getting mega bad and the suffering it causes because maybe then people will WAKE UP. This is the textbook definition of accelarationism.
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Quidam Viator posted:poo poo man, I thought I was getting smeared as an accelerationist because I had the gall to suggest that Jebbles had a chance to win, riding on a wave of right wing assholery! Let's all close our eyes and do a thought experiment: It's 2016, and Jeb is president, and the GOP still controls the House and Senate. Let's sit back and imagine the gentle, compassionate waves of GOP policy, bottled up after eight years of Obama, lapping gently over our faces. And there's Jeb, just signing it all into law, while his dad's oil and defense and finance buddies enjoy an avuncular chuckle, standing right behind him. *SIGH* It's fuckin dreamy. I'm still pulling for Mittbot 3.0: faster, smugger, whiter.
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Accelerationism is actively trying to drive the world to hell, laughing as it happens despite your best efforts to stop is cynicism.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Accelerationism is actively trying to drive the world to hell, laughing as it happens despite your best efforts to stop is cynicism. No thinking it's going to get worse despite best efforts is cynicism. I'm as cynical as they come but even I don't enjoy this stuff.
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DemeaninDemon posted:I'm still pulling for Mittbot 3.0: faster, smugger, whiter. And now LEED-compliant!
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anonumos posted:Demographic shifts aren't going to be as powerful as you think. The real hope is that more and more white people come to their senses about the Southern Strategy-type bullshit, as well as white privilege, institutional racism, and so on. Based on recent success I would say it's more keeping white people from getting any more racist and actually encouraging youth turnout in elections (although the latter is impossible because kids don't care ever).
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So what you're telling me is that the only way for me not to be called crazy is to act like the rest of you, clinging to a desperate hope that if we just fight the good fight, we can still keep poo poo from getting mega-bad, and not have a whole lot of people suffer? I don't even believe it will wake them up, and in that, both Radish and Anonumos are with me. You just don't like me because I'm not gnashing my teeth and wailing and despairing about it. I believe realistically that we are set up for serious, serious pain no matter what, so like a New Orleans funeral, I'm going to try to laugh at the poo poo so I don't have to cry. Nobody's waking up from this poo poo. Argue me, here in D&D, a path for disarming the potent bomb of neoliberal, tea party, minority- and woman-hating, bank and corporation serving ideology that infests a significant and very loud (election-winning) plurality of this nation. Make sure your plan explains how you're going to do it quickly enough to eliminate the chance of a GOP trifecta, or what a Hillary presidency with a GOP congress will look like. You call it accelerationism, I call it fatalistic black humor based in a very real and impending future.
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zoux posted:No you're being labeled as an accelerationist because you want to revel in poo poo getting mega bad and the suffering it causes because maybe then people will WAKE UP. This is the textbook definition of accelarationism. He's not reveling in anything. Please try to make sense of the words he is writing, in the order he is writing them.
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DemeaninDemon posted:I'm still pulling for Mittbot 3.0: faster, smugger, whiter. Just because you load Windows 7 on a Commodore 64 it isn't going to make it better.
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Quidam Viator posted:So what you're telling me is that the only way for me not to be called crazy is to act like the rest of you, clinging to a desperate hope that if we just fight the good fight, we can still keep poo poo from getting mega-bad, and having a whole lot of people suffer? I don't even believe it will wake them up, and in that, both Radish and Anonumos are with me. You just don't like me because I'm not gnashing my teeth and wailing and despairing about it. I believe realistically that we are set up for serious, serious pain no matter what, so like a New Orleans funeral, I'm going to try to laugh at the poo poo so I don't have to cry. I don't think you're actually reading my posts mate.
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Joementum posted:Curt Schilling is mad that being a Republican is keeping him out of the Baseball Hall of Fame. Yeah, only democratic politicians such as Jim Bunning can get into the baseball hall of fame.
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zoux posted:Oh no I think bad things are going to hella happen but I also think that team politics is so deeply ingrained in the American psyche that no matter how bad things get it won't stop people from voting for Republicans. zoux posted:Impossible, as that would show that conservative policies are loving retarded. I don't know, man, I agree with both these statements. What am I missing? I think you're dead-on.
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The dynamic scoring thing is exactly the sort of issue that should be the number one cause for anyone who cares about facts or reality, and I'm honestly surprised that there hasn't been more attention drawn to it, that kind of bribing the umpire on national television is poo poo I would consider government shutdown plausible. You just can't let them gently caress with the facts like that, period.
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Curt Schillings is bitching that he didn't get inducted into a group that actively doesn't induct people the first few years they're eligible. He still has the better part of a decade to get in and just might for being an rear end in a top hat white man. Not like he blew up a bird with a bitchin fast ball or something cool.
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zoux posted:I'm not laughing at it. So your grievance is with his attitude, not with his stance. Quit your whining.
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RuanGacho posted:The dynamic scoring thing is exactly the sort of issue that should be the number one cause for anyone who cares about facts or reality, and I'm honestly surprised that there hasn't been more attention drawn to it, that kind of bribing the umpire on national television is poo poo I would consider government shutdown plausible. Dynamic scoring is a large part of my newfound despair. I also can't BELIEVE there isn't more outcry about including made up numbers from the Laffer Curve in scoring new legislation. It's such penultimate bullshit...I'm literally tearing up in frustration.
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Oxxidation posted:So your grievance is with his attitude, not with his stance. Quit your whining. What are you his hype man?
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He's not laughing because he enjoys it, it's hysterical laughter as a desperate attempt to stave off despair.
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zoux posted:I'm not laughing at it. Point taken then. Internet, serious business for you. I could very well be Arzying right now, but I choose to make fun of how hosed we are instead. On the facts, I think we agree, though. You may dislike my attitude, but I'm not going to get offended over that. RuanGacho posted:The dynamic scoring thing is exactly the sort of issue that should be the number one cause for anyone who cares about facts or reality, and I'm honestly surprised that there hasn't been more attention drawn to it, that kind of bribing the umpire on national television is poo poo I would consider government shutdown plausible. And yet, somehow, magically, they're getting to pull this stuff, entirely without incident. Despite the rules Kerfuffle, the Volcker rule and the rest are going to be dynamited as well. You'd think there would be outrage, but I contend that the GOP has effectively managed to corner the market on outrage. And I think it was brilliantly and very well done. You thought unskewed polling in 2012 was bad? Try unskewed motherfucking dynamic scoring! TELL ME HOW MUCH THAT BILL WILL COST, AND MAKE THE NUMBER EXACT! LMAO
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Quidam Viator posted:Point taken then. Internet, serious business for you. I could very well be Arzying right now, but I choose to make fun of how hosed we are instead. On the facts, I think we agree, though. You may dislike my attitude, but I'm not going to get offended over that. What I'm saying is the Dems die on this hill or they're done, period
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RuanGacho posted:What I'm saying is the Dems die on this hill or they're done, period I'll take that proposition. What odds do you give the Dems for making a real stand against this, getting serious media coverage, convincing the American public, and emerging the heroes? Give me an over/under, and I'll tell you who I'm betting on and how much. And holy poo poo, people are calling me grim. This is like one week into the 4th quarter for Obama, and we're already choosing a hill to die on?
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RuanGacho posted:What I'm saying is the Dems die on this hill or they're done, period https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNs-AvTvVVk Sums up the Dems' chances of even climbing this hill...
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RuanGacho posted:What I'm saying is the Dems die on this hill or they're done, period Then they're done. They've been done for a while. It'd be difficult to say if they ever even started. If you're not rich and white, there is no one in this country who's in your corner and there never will be in your generation. All the discussion going on in threads like these is just to analyze why we're hosed and how hosed we are.
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RuanGacho posted:I completely agree, but it's the first step to killing team politics. Can you expand on that please?
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