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Well, they did once mock peaceful protesters in Egypt for getting gunned down by an authoritarian police state, which is basically the textbook definition of punching down, so I imagine that resulted in some folks seeing their anti-Muslim cartoons in a less charitable light. Also, France is racist as gently caress towards African and Middle Eastern Muslims, which meant that even if they were going after other religions just as much, their anti-Muslim caricatures had a certain extra cultural weight behind them. Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Jan 8, 2015 |
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Darth Walrus posted:Well, they did once mock peaceful protesters in Egypt for getting gunned down by an authoritarian police state, Coran is poo poo, it doesn't stop bullets It's against violence and against religion. It's not against peaceful protesters.
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Jan 8, 2015 19:46
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Cat Mattress posted:Coran is poo poo, it doesn't stop bullets You don't see a certain unpleasant implication in going 'lol, stupid religious people thought their holy book could protect them' when peaceful protesters get massacred?
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Jan 8, 2015 19:49
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Darth Walrus posted:You don't see a certain unpleasant implication in going 'lol, stupid religious people thought their holy book could protect them' when peaceful protesters get massacred? Then again you're posting on the forum that gave us tribute.avi, tasteless humor should be nothing new to you.
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Jan 8, 2015 20:32
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Deltasquid posted:I'm Belgian but Hara Kiri (CH's former name) and Charlie Hebdo are popular here as well. They're part of a thing that was way more popular decades ago but imagine them like MAD magazine or The Onion. they make fun of anyone and everyone (amongst others: various presidents, pretty much every major religion, lots of politicians). I'm not super familiar with French culture, but from my various investigations into history, I've noticed that Francophone political satire seems to have a tradition of being intentionally hamfisted, in a so-bad-it's-good way. At least, I know Revolution-era publications in the vein of Le Père Duchesne can put FYAD to shame with how cheerfully obscene they were, as could later 19th century stuff that I ran into. This is especially noticable compared to the ironic style of contemporary Anglophone satire or Germany's apparent wall of separation between the bawdy and the political. Is this observation roughly correct? If so, I'd imagine much of the racism accusations are culture shock, since the French flavor of "let's see how far we can take this" brutal iconoclasm just doesn't fly in many other countries and people are taking it at face value.
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Jan 8, 2015 20:59
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MeLKoR posted:Then again you're posting on the forum that gave us tribute.avi, tasteless humor should be nothing new to you. Nobody's trying to pretend goons aren't horrible people, though.
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Guildencrantz posted:Germany's apparent wall of separation between the bawdy and the political. Well you know how Germans love their walls.
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Jan 8, 2015 23:19
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Now I know that if El Jueves got shot up DnD posters would be calling them terrible racists even though they are the greatest force of antifascism in Spain.
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Jan 9, 2015 01:02
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Cat Mattress posted:The short and sweet is that people believing the CH staff was racist are either stupid or ignorant. Most probably both. Is defending people who abuse freedom of speech to criticize others really the hill you want to die on?
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Jan 9, 2015 01:24
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Randler posted:Is defending people who abuse freedom of speech to criticize others really the hill you want to die on? You have nooooooooooo clue what you're talking about. Brannock posted:Stephane Charbonnier's 'companion', Jeannette Bougrab, was born to a French Algerian father. She was part of the administrative board of the Arab World Institute and multiple other equality/antidiscrimination/antiracism organizations, including the authority to fight against discrimination and for equality as part of the French government. The magazine was stridently anti-racist and anti-fascist, among many other anti-s.
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Jan 9, 2015 01:30
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Darth Walrus posted:Sure I do. Those damned Special Circumstances goons, coming over here, destabilising our governments... Most of US culture is garbage and is close to(?) being the most diverse nation on the planet.
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TheNakedFantastic posted:Most of US culture is garbage and is close to(?) being the most diverse nation on the planet. If US culture is so "garbage" then why do the rest of you lot love it so much. Don't try to pretend you don't, we all see how well our stuff sells in your countries.
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It's my pleasure to point out the obvious: African-American's created nearly every genre of 20th century music. 20th century comedy, both its forms and sensibilities, are almost entirely the creation of American Jews. American culture is one of the greatest arguments for multiculturalism.
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Nintendo Kid posted:If US culture is so "garbage" then why do the rest of you lot love it so much. Don't try to pretend you don't, we all see how well our stuff sells in your countries. What kind of stuff? Television shows, films, music etc.? McDonalds, Ford, mortgage backed securities? Also, by this metric you would have to acknowledge that football is better than any American sport, like handegg, baseball and basketball.
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Jan 9, 2015 08:49
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Nintendo Kid posted:If US culture is so "garbage" then why do the rest of you lot love it so much. Don't try to pretend you don't, we all see how well our stuff sells in your countries. It sells so well because in many cases you own the media and either flood it with your own to dilute ours, or straight up block any of ours from ever seeing the light of day. It's easy to make us "love" american media when it's the only thing on the menu at the cinema and nobody has any loving idea where to see something locally made.
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Jan 9, 2015 08:56
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Randler posted:Is defending people who abuse freedom of speech to criticize others really the hill you want to die on? jesus loving christ, what else is the point of having free speech. And you can't abuse freedom of speech.
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HorseLord posted:It sells so well because in many cases you own the media and either flood it with your own to dilute ours, or straight up block any of ours from ever seeing the light of day. It's easy to make us "love" american media when it's the only thing on the menu at the cinema and nobody has any loving idea where to see something locally made. The foreign media owners and bankers have conspired to buy up our newspapers, television and movies in order to dilute our own pure European stock. They strangle our culture in the crib to replace it with their taint.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:The foreign media owners and bankers have conspired to buy up our newspapers, television and movies in order to dilute our own pure European stock. They strangle our culture in the crib to replace it with their taint. 
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Jan 9, 2015 09:02
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Randler posted:Is defending people who abuse freedom of speech to criticize others really the hill you want to die on? It's the very first you should die on. Criticizing others isn't evil.
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computer parts posted:The Danish paper where the other cartoon was posted was legitimately as racist as you can be and people assumed the same situation here.
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Randler posted:Is defending people who abuse freedom of speech to criticize others really the hill you want to die on? What... What's the point of freedom of speech if you can't criticize others with it? 
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:The foreign media owners and bankers have conspired to buy up our newspapers, television and movies in order to dilute our own pure European stock. They strangle our culture in the crib to replace it with their taint. Actually, it's kinda true.
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Jan 9, 2015 10:46
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Randler posted:Is defending people who abuse freedom of speech to criticize others really the hill you want to die on? I know that you're upset because they drew a cartoon of your prophet: 
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HorseLord posted:It sells so well because in many cases you own the media and either flood it with your own to dilute ours, or straight up block any of ours from ever seeing the light of day. It's easy to make us "love" american media when it's the only thing on the menu at the cinema and nobody has any loving idea where to see something locally made. Actually while 99% of American culture is, in fact, garbage, that applies to everywhere. Also US cultural output is so overwhelmingly massive that the 1% of awesome diamonds in the trash heap have more volume than the everything your average small country produces. Besides, people love homegrown terrible crap too. Americans did not invent Big Brother, Farmer Wants a Wife or Fifty Shades of Grey, but I presume you'll blame the existence of awful European culture on Americanization because that's a great way to make a completely unfalsifiable claim.
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Guildencrantz posted:Actually while 99% of American culture is, in fact, garbage, that applies to everywhere. Also US cultural output is so overwhelmingly massive that the 1% of awesome diamonds in the trash heap have more volume than the everything your average small country produces. If America was not responsible for reality TV (and arguably, Australia is - Sylvania Waters) then it is responsible for the prevailing socioeconomic conditions which led to it (ie. it's cheaper to import American poo poo than to create your own content, leading to the industry downsizing and arts funding being cut by governments, leading to networks and production companies needing to create content cheaply to sell advertising space, resulting in reality TV).
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I wish the french muslims would organize a massive demonstration against the jihadis. Not to appease the mouthbreathers that are constantly demanding muslims publicly denounce every incident of terrorism or otherwise be put in the same sack but as a show to the jihadis that they don't represent anyone but themselves and that they are pariahs in their own communities. These people think of themselves as champions of all muslims, this would be would be a powerful "gently caress you" to them much like the anti-PEGIDA rallies are an essential counter to fascists.
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Randler posted:Is defending people who abuse freedom of speech to criticize others really the hill you want to die on? Freedom of speech cannot be abused you unbelievable cretin.
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MeLKoR posted:I wish the french muslims would organize a massive demonstration against the jihadis. Not to appease the mouthbreathers that are constantly demanding muslims publicly denounce every incident of terrorism or otherwise be put in the same sack but as a show to the jihadis that they don't represent anyone but themselves and that they are pariahs in their own communities. Yeah like they should stand up to them like that police man that got shot.
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drilldo squirt posted:Yeah like they should stand up to them like that police man that got shot. Do you have like a reading impairment or something? I don't want to poo poo on you but your posts in this thread make me think that maybe there is some information leak between the photons entering your retina and the chemical signals reaching your cortex.
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MeLKoR posted:I wish the french muslims would organize a massive demonstration against the jihadis. Not to appease the mouthbreathers that are constantly demanding muslims publicly denounce every incident of terrorism or otherwise be put in the same sack but as a show to the jihadis that they don't represent anyone but themselves and that they are pariahs in their own communities. I don't think Al Qaeda and Daesh and their supporters do think of themselves as champions of all Muslims. If they did, they wouldn't kill so many Muslims. edit: To be more precise, anyone who would protest them is clearly not a "real" Muslim, so it wouldn't make any difference. Florida Betty fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Jan 9, 2015 |
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Florida Betty posted:I don't think Al Qaeda and Daesh and their supporters do think of themselves as champions of all Muslims. If they did, they wouldn't kill so many Muslims. quote:edit: To be more precise, anyone who would protest them is clearly not a "real" Muslim, so it wouldn't make any difference. MeLKoR fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Jan 9, 2015 |
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Freedom of speech cannot be abused you unbelievable cretin. Do you prefer the talks of the golden dawn or of the front national?
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Actually, people should just say things I agree with. like this status if you agree
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:If America was not responsible for reality TV (and arguably, Australia is - Sylvania Waters) then it is responsible for the prevailing socioeconomic conditions which led to it (ie. it's cheaper to import American poo poo than to create your own content, leading to the industry downsizing and arts funding being cut by governments, leading to networks and production companies needing to create content cheaply to sell advertising space, resulting in reality TV). This doesn't make much sense. Neither does this whole America vs Europe derail.
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Torrannor posted:What kind of stuff? Television shows, films, music etc.? McDonalds, Ford, mortgage backed securities? Uh yeah everyone knows gridiron football is garbage but that's hardly ever been in question. Sorry that your feeble cultures are unable to compete though. Clearly someone's got the true will to power here and it ain't you.
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Torrannor posted:
Basketball is actually becoming extremely popular as of late because it's more suited to urban environments and you need about as much equipment (even though that's technically a  sport).
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Nintendo Kid posted:Uh yeah everyone knows gridiron football is garbage but that's hardly ever been in question. America is the worlds largest economy and third most populous country and is able to reap the benefits from the domination of the English language globally as a result of the supremacy of the British empire in the nineteenth century and itself in the twentieth. Its cultural domination has nothing to do with some kind of objective superiority of American Music, Sport, Movies and TV.
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khwarezm posted:America is the worlds largest economy and third most populous country and is able to reap the benefits from the domination of the English language globally as a result of the supremacy of the British empire in the nineteenth century and itself in the twentieth. Its cultural domination has nothing to do with some kind of objective superiority of American Music, Sport, Movies and TV. Actually it does, clearly if you people whining about your cultures being destroyed by outsiders didn't like it, you wouldn't watch it. 
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Nintendo Kid posted:Actually it does, clearly if you people whining about your cultures being destroyed by outsiders didn't like it, you wouldn't watch it. 'You people' Question, have you ever watched or listened or played or eaten anything that originates from outside of America? Also if you actually lived in France or Britain or India or China or Japan or wherever you'd find that the local cultural products are actually pretty popular alongside American imports.
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