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Is that really an alt art Ugin promo? Gimme.
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Cloudform is super good for U-devotion strategies...
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Jan 9, 2015 19:59
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Snacksmaniac posted:Is that really an alt art Ugin promo? Gimme. English images: 
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Jan 9, 2015 20:02
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homerlaw posted:
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Jan 9, 2015 20:09
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 I thought Wizards didn't want to make splashable non-restricted counters. I have a feeling this is going to see play in any mid-range or later deck running blue.
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Jan 9, 2015 20:14
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Yawgmoth posted:Yeah this is gonna be real nice with whip. Why yes I would like to dump all of my fat and spare lands to get more gas, thank you! I don't think self milling is very good even in Whip decks when the net result is card disadvantage. You're also replacing things you know to be in your hand with mystery cards from your library, which is likely bad unless you intentionally keep unplayable hands. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Jan 9, 2015 |
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Jan 9, 2015 20:14
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Angry Grimace posted:English images: Yikes. I wonder how rare its gonna be.
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Jan 9, 2015 20:15
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AlternateNu posted:
It is restricted, by the size of your graveyard though? 
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Jan 9, 2015 20:17
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I will say that I'm rather disappointed at the lack of Edict effects. We still have a wedge-locked rare as the sole available option to answer a U/W Heroic deck that's going off. I'm not saying you need to reprint Diabolic Edict or anything, but Devour Flesh would be a very good answer to that.
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Jan 9, 2015 20:20
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Angry Grimace posted:I don't think self milling is very good even in Whip decks when the net result is card disadvantage. You're also replacing things you know to be in your hand with mystery cards from your library, which is likely bad unless you intentionally keep unplayable hands.
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Jan 9, 2015 20:23
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AlternateNu posted:Cloudform is super good for U-devotion strategies... Needs a 2 drop that isn't mindreaver though.
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Jan 9, 2015 20:25
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Angry Grimace posted:There's another goofy mini-game you can play to get a special Ugin pack with alternate art cards. Wait so the pack includes the regular Ugin planeswalker card? This isn't like the M15 prerelease oversized Garruk thing? Whoa Edit: OHHH so you don't get all the cards, it's a tiny random booster-- 1 land, 1 token, and 2 cards from that pool. Yeah, I'm curious as to how well they preserved the regular rarities in there edit edit: and of course I work until 2AM on Friday and then work on Saturday and Sunday afternoon, god drat it. I really like playing sealed, too goferchan fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Jan 9, 2015 |
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Jan 9, 2015 20:35
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That promo Ugin gonna be expensive as hell.
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Jan 9, 2015 20:40
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AlternateNu posted:
Not really, it's a pretty awful counterspell. Disdainful Stroke is better, and anything Stroke can't hit is cheap enough to not be countered by this anyways.
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Jan 9, 2015 20:49
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:It is restricted, by the size of your graveyard though? Unrestricted as in it can target any spell.
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Jan 9, 2015 20:50
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goferchan posted:Wait so the pack includes the regular Ugin planeswalker card? This isn't like the M15 prerelease oversized Garruk thing? Whoa Sealed is a mixed bag for me - its dramatically less skill-testing than Draft (and I have no skill at drafting), but its also just pack wars. Open a Sarkhan or a Sorin and you're blowing people the gently caress out.
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Jan 9, 2015 20:52
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AlternateNu posted:
Disdainful Stroke is better.
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Jan 9, 2015 20:53
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Angry Grimace posted:I will say that I'm rather disappointed at the lack of Edict effects. We still have a wedge-locked rare as the sole available option to answer a U/W Heroic deck that's going off. I'm not saying you need to reprint Diabolic Edict or anything, but Devour Flesh would be a very good answer to that. Merciless Executioner is a lovely edict, but they did print it.
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Jan 9, 2015 20:53
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qbert posted:Merciless Executioner is a lovely edict, but they did print it. Actually not as bad given that you can sacrifice Merciless Executioner to itself. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Jan 9, 2015 |
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Jan 9, 2015 20:54
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Angry Grimace posted:Actually not as bad given that you can sacrifice Merciless Executioner to itself. Yeah that still makes it a 3 mana Sorcery speed Edict, which is still awful, but whatevs. Edit: Being a functional reprint of Fleshbag probably means it was intended for EDH.
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Jan 9, 2015 20:55
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It's fine. Cancel at 2U wouldn't break anything and this is way worse than Cancel.
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Jan 9, 2015 20:56
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qbert posted:Yeah that still makes it a 3 mana Sorcery speed Edict, which is still awful, but whatevs. True, but the U/W Heroic list runs Negate, but not Dissolve. I'm not saying it will make deck lists, but it could be a corner case if U/W Heroic was running rampant. Also, I hate reposting anything from reddit, but this is funny:  (Note: the judge failed to notice they don't get "sacrificed," they just go to the graveyard as a state based effect) Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jan 9, 2015 |
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Jan 9, 2015 20:56
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Angry Grimace posted:Sealed is a mixed bag for me - its dramatically less skill-testing than Draft (and I have no skill at drafting), but its also just pack wars. Open a Sarkhan or a Sorin and you're blowing people the gently caress out. I'm not a particularly good player and my work schedule (and the fact that none of my friends play) means I don't get a ton of practice, so I'm like the perfect target audience for prereleases/sealed play-- really bums me out when I miss them. I'm almost tempted to research getting into modern solely because both of the shops around here hold their modern nights on Mondays and that's like my only guaranteed day off, Friday Night Magic sounds nice but isn't very service industry friendly. Then again, Modern doesn't sound very inexperienced player friendly, so there you go
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Jan 9, 2015 20:59
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:It is restricted, by the size of your graveyard though? In response, sac Tormod's Crypt . 
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Jan 9, 2015 21:00
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Angry Grimace posted:Sealed is a mixed bag for me - its dramatically less skill-testing than Draft Is that really fair? There's more variance and unfair games in sealed, but making the best deck out of a mediocore/bad pool is probably no easier than the average draft, even if they test quite different skills. I think often the decisions are harder in sealed because you have so many more options - midway through a draft you're usually on a fairly well defined track. Draft has it's own complexities, of course, that don't feature at all in sealed.
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Jan 9, 2015 21:02
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Angry Grimace posted:True, but the U/W Heroic list runs Negate, but not Dissolve. I'm not saying it will make deck lists, but it could be a corner case if U/W Heroic was running rampant. I'm not expert but aren't they both wrong? Placing stuff in your graveyard as a state-based action isn't the same as "sacrificing" stuff.
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Jan 9, 2015 21:03
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Rinkles posted:Is that really fair? There's more variance and unfair games in sealed, but making the best deck out of a mediocore/bad pool is probably no easier than the average draft, even if they test quite different skills. I think often the decisions are harder in sealed because you have so many more options - midway through a draft you're usually on a fairly well defined track. Draft has it's own complexities, of course, that don't feature at all in sealed. I was going to post something like this, except much more poorly written.
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Jan 9, 2015 21:05
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Rinkles posted:Is that really fair? There's more variance and unfair games in sealed, but making the best deck out of a mediocore/bad pool is probably no easier than the average draft, even if they test quite different skills. I think often the decisions are harder in sealed because you have so many more options - midway through a draft you're usually on a fairly well defined track. Draft has it's own complexities, of course, that don't feature at all in sealed. There is a "correct" deck to play in any given pool in Sealed, but there isn't in Draft because your decision making changes on the fly based on what other players pass you and on information you don't have. theironjef posted:I'm not expert but aren't they both wrong? Placing stuff in your graveyard as a state-based action isn't the same as "sacrificing" stuff. Yeah. Judge was presumably making a joke since his response was identical to the guy who shouldn't be answering question, but he probably should have noticed that. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Jan 9, 2015 |
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Jan 9, 2015 21:05
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Angry Grimace posted:True, but the U/W Heroic list runs Negate, but not Dissolve. I'm not saying it will make deck lists, but it could be a corner case if U/W Heroic was running rampant. Or sacrificed is close enough to what actually happens in most instances they didn't give a poo poo? 
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Jan 9, 2015 21:10
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TheKingofSprings posted:Or sacrificed is close enough to what actually happens in most instances they didn't give a poo poo? If you're going to pretend to be (or actually be) super pedantic, you have to get it right. 
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Jan 9, 2015 21:12
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TheKingofSprings posted:Or sacrificed is close enough to what actually happens in most instances they didn't give a poo poo? There are ways to be immune to sacrificing. I can't think of one that would apply off the top of my head, but there are a few cards that do it. Sigarda and Assault Suit.
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Jan 9, 2015 21:17
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Angry Grimace posted:Sealed is a mixed bag for me - its dramatically less skill-testing than Draft (and I have no skill at drafting), but its also just pack wars. Open a Sarkhan or a Sorin and you're blowing people the gently caress out. I like sealed at prereleases since  new cards but it's only good that one time.
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Jan 9, 2015 21:18
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Angry Grimace posted:There is a "correct" deck to play in any given pool in Sealed, but there isn't in Draft because your decision making changes on the fly based on what other players pass you and on information you don't have. They're certainly very different, but I don't see one as dramatically less skill testing. Sealed is definitely easier to learn (just considering the logisitcs) and draft probably takes longer to get decently good at, but both have high skill ceilings. Elyv posted:I was going to post something like this, except much more poorly written.  thanks
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Jan 9, 2015 21:19
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What's the spread of packs for Sealed with Fate? 3 Fate, 3 Khans?
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Jan 9, 2015 21:20
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Cernunnos posted:What's the spread of packs for Sealed with Fate? 3 Fate, 3 Khans? 4 Fate Reforged, 1 Khans, 1 Seeded clan booster.
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Jan 9, 2015 21:21
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Rinkles posted:Is that really fair? There's more variance and unfair games in sealed, but making the best deck out of a mediocore/bad pool is probably no easier than the average draft, even if they test quite different skills. I think often the decisions are harder in sealed because you have so many more options - midway through a draft you're usually on a fairly well defined track. Draft has it's own complexities, of course, that don't feature at all in sealed.  , barring a stupid amount of luck.
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Jan 9, 2015 21:30
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Is that still true if you suck at Draft though?
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Jan 9, 2015 21:33
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Angry Grimace posted:Is that still true if you suck at Draft though?
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Jan 9, 2015 21:39
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It is kind of funny that all of the Dragons in the Dragon-ruled plane of Tarkir are shittier than the one random dragon from Theros.
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theironjef posted:There are ways to be immune to sacrificing. I can't think of one that would apply off the top of my head, but there are a few cards that do it. Sigarda and Assault Suit. And there are cards that do things on sacrifice. But both are fringe cases.
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