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Skeesix posted:http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:English_nouns_which_have_interacted_with_their_indefinite_article twow will have numerous neams and naunts.
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http://i.imgur.com/FfI1goA.jpg Someone went to Cushing library and read the entire ADWD manuscript in the reading room. Unfortunately the only real revelation gained was a note about Coldhands saying he isn't Benjen.
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Jan 9, 2015 05:41
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TommyGun85 posted:twow will have numerous neams and naunts. They're not in King Lear so I don't think that'll happen.
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Jan 9, 2015 08:31
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Whoever decided that the Frey men all wear that dumb hat is a genius. Nothing gets across that they're a family of turds who no one likes better than that hat.
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Jan 9, 2015 09:41
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TOOT BOOT posted:http://i.imgur.com/FfI1goA.jpg The highlight for me is how his editor steadily gets fed up with the "words are wind" repetitions and starts to cut some out...only to have the cuts overruled by Martin.
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Jan 9, 2015 10:07
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That's always a good situation to be in. What's the point of an editor if the author gets final decision?
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Jan 9, 2015 11:12
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Professor Shark posted:That's always a good situation to be in. What's the point of an editor if the author gets final decision? Glorified spell-checker?
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Jan 9, 2015 11:16
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Ague Proof posted:Glorified spell-checker? Can't even do that right, as Shakaz Mo Zulu can testify.
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Jan 9, 2015 11:20
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Here's the whole post on reddit, it has some other funny stuff in it (like a few subtle comments from the editor about how long it's been since the previous books were published  ) http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/2rtcaa/i_went_to_the_cushing_library_and_went_through/
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Jan 10, 2015 01:33
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"Due to the gap between books, I had forgotten that this happened at the END of ASOS. In my mind, Jon's been Lord Commander for over ten years -- because that is how long ago that ASOS came out..." Wow, I didn't realize GRRM's editor subscribed to The Bad Thread.
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Jan 10, 2015 06:38
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Isn't she then also the editor that made him cut the battle of meereen and the one of winterfell?
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Jan 10, 2015 21:29
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"Cut" implies that there was content ready to print, versus delaying ADWD yet again while Martin types away on his ancient word processor.
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Jan 11, 2015 02:42
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Apparently the editor gave GRRM poo poo over his constant references to Davos's fingerbones being lost in the Black Water, but none for the overuse of nipples on breastplate and bread still hot from the ovens and nuncle? EDIT: The queen of the rabbits must don her floppy ears ad nauseum Calaveron fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Jan 11, 2015 |
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Jan 11, 2015 03:25
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Calaveron posted:Apparently the editor gave GRRM poo poo over his constant references to Davos's fingerbones being lost in the Black Water, but none for the overuse of nipples on breastplate and bread still hot from the ovens and nuncle? That's probably because he's made it way too obvious that the fingerbones have been/are being/will be used to make a Davos glamour.
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Jan 11, 2015 10:32
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Steve2911 posted:That's probably because he's made it way too obvious that the fingerbones have been/are being/will be used to make a Davos glamour. Or they are part of Frankengregor, because for some reason Qyburn wanted Frankengregor to have an extra-set of fingers.
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Jan 11, 2015 12:19
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Maarak posted:"Cut" implies that there was content ready to print, versus delaying ADWD yet again while Martin types away on his ancient word processor. I think it was more the fact that having chapters written from the perspective of three or four different characters across two massive battles would add another 300 or so pages to a book already massively long. So from what I can gather they're having Jorah and Tyrion end up as slaves but instead of ending up with one of the companies they end up in the fighting pits, or Tyrion just waddles to Danny's side anyway? I'm trying to figure out what episode 9 will be this year. I know we're getting to see Cersei tramps around in her name day gown and Jon get shanked but I'd expect Jon would be the final fade to black?
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Jan 12, 2015 07:54
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A lot of people are saying episode 9 will be the Meereen/Winterfell battles, or one of them. I think Cersei's walk taking up the bulk of the episode and ending on Jon's stabbage would make a lot more sense. It's way too early in the day for those battles. Maybe Winterfell would make sense given how much of Theon's story they've already covered, but it's still a stretch.
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Jan 12, 2015 08:01
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On the other hand, there's other stuff to do next season. I like the speculation that the Battle of Meereen will be excised altogether, Daznak's serving as the coronation of that storyline. I think that this season will be similar to S4 rather than S1-3 in setup - there won't be 'an' E9, rather, they will distribute the fun stuff across several episodes. For example: E7 - Cersei arrested E8 - Theon's escape, also that speculated WW attack on the wildings E9 - Daznak's, some sort of Stannis finale battle, Mercy E10 - the Walk, For the Watch, Dany on the steppe Would be fun, wouldn't it?
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Steve2911 posted:A lot of people are saying episode 9 will be the Meereen/Winterfell battles, or one of them. I think Cersei's walk taking up the bulk of the episode and ending on Jon's stabbage would make a lot more sense. It's way too early in the day for those battles. Maybe Winterfell would make sense given how much of Theon's story they've already covered, but it's still a stretch. Do we have any evidence that they filmed stuff for battles? We know for fact that the Drogon attack is happening, but I don't remember seeing any pictures of stuff from after that, so yeah, Meereen battle ain't happening. e: If there's no battle at all, maybe Drogon destroys the siege equipment and everyone decides to gently caress off. Lycus fucked around with this message at 08:58 on Jan 12, 2015 |
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Jan 12, 2015 08:43
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Lycus posted:e: If there's no battle at all, maybe Drogon destroys the siege equipment and everyone decides to gently caress off. Victarion isn't in and Qarth isn't in. Most of the sellsword companies aren't in the show. I'm betting that Daario and Hizdahr will return in the first episode and be like, 'Yunkai's settled, too, ma'am' (Hizdahr: Can we get hitched?).
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Jan 12, 2015 09:41
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Daznack's will be the final scene of ep 10, I'm almost certain, with her flying off as the final shot of the season. Ep 9 it's tough to say. Kit Harrington mentioned being a part of some massive-scale sequence this season, so maybe they're giving Jon more to do this season. The white-walker attack on the wildings could be that. Or they do go through with the battle of ice. I mean they've gotta give Stannis something to do this season, right?
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Jan 12, 2015 10:26
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I think the pit will be the climax to episode 9 and then you don't see Dany again until the final few moments of episode 10 as she encounters Khal Jhaqo's khalasar. The more I think about it, "for the watch" may not occur until next season. If it happens as a cliffhanger and Jon doesn't stay dead (as is expected) it would be near impossible for them to keep that under wraps which would spoil any surprise. So he's either getting stabbed and revived this season or not until next.
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Jan 12, 2015 14:36
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I really think that having a good arc is more important, even if it spoils the surprise - think of the people who will watch all the seasons on DVD after the show run has ended, for example. Then again... WOTW reported Daznak's to be in 509, so you're probably right on this.
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Jan 12, 2015 15:16
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They could always have a Ned/Rob/Cat flashback and no one would think he was coming back. Or else they would think they were all coming back.
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Jan 12, 2015 18:36
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Of course, most readers already don't buy that Jon's really (or permanently) dead, watchers probably wouldn't really be surprised by him cast for S6 either.
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Jan 12, 2015 18:48
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bullet3 posted:Or they do go through with the battle of ice. I mean they've gotta give Stannis something to do this season, right? All I need from Stannis is for him to mope around Castle Black being all moody and occasionally immolating people.
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Genetic squares posted:Isn't she then also the editor that made him cut the battle of meereen and the one of winterfell? I'm a little confused by this, because if I am understanding the reddit link correctly, the Meeren chapters were never submitted to the editor. GRRM has a few "Missing Chapters for X, Y, and Z" inserts, which indicate that chapters were supposed to go there but he wasn't able to finish. It looks like GRRM was delaying on finishing the book, and given that ten years had passed since the last installment, the editor put her foot down instead of waiting for another 300 pages. Am I understanding correctly? EDIT: I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to be an editor and have my advice disregarded after listing two dozen instances that "words are wind." QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Jan 12, 2015 |
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Jan 12, 2015 19:42
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QuoProQuid posted:I'm a little confused by this, because if I am understanding the reddit link correctly, the Meeren chapters were never submitted to the editor. GRRM has a few "Missing Chapters for X, Y, and Z" inserts, which indicate that chapters were supposed to go there but he wasn't able to finish. Was this the final draft submitted? It's possible another revision included those chapters.
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Every once in a while I'll do a quick google search to see if there is any news about the Winds of Winter release date. Pretty much every time, without fail, the top result is some article from the Christian Today news site that was posted, usually that day, about either a rumor, a confirmed date, or anything else. It just strikes me as odd that somewhere there is someone writing for a Christian news site that feels compelled to write an update piece almost every single day! I'm sure it's just to generate page views, but it still seems very peculiar.
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Cross post from the book thread: A redditor took a trip to a library that had the original manuscript of ADWD and it has some remarks from the editor and GRRM. The editor specifically asks about Coldhands and GRRM answers, so this is as close to wrapping up the who is Coldhands question as we can get unless GRRM changed his mind later. There is some neat stuff in the pictures.
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computer parts posted:Was this the final draft submitted? It's possible another revision included those chapters. The draft is apparently almost identical to the final released copy, which suggests that the copy in the Cushing Library was one of the final drafts, if not the final draft. EDIT: Presence of a missing Jon chapter near the end of the book pretty much confirms what we already know, that Jon is still alive. It also seems to imply that the original plan for A Dance with Dragons was to end with Jon being resurrected. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Jan 12, 2015 |
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Jan 12, 2015 21:35
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Man, GRRM used to talk far more openly and often about book progress on his blog... I check it every week and it's just bullshit football talk, tiny causes he likes and Wild Cards. 
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QuoProQuid posted:The draft is apparently almost identical to the final released copy, which suggests that the copy in the Cushing Library was one of the final drafts, if not the final draft. There are still a bunch of people in this thread who are like "no way Jon is totally dead because GRRM is into twists!"
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It's like, reverse psychology man! He knows that we know that he knows, so in order to create a twist he has to fake a twist. Also, airplane fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel!
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Mortabis posted:There are still a bunch of people in this thread who are like "no way Jon is totally dead because GRRM is into twists!" At the outset, Martin's goal was to create a fantasy series where people felt genuinely uncertainty about the safety of his protagonists. If there are people worrying that Jon is dead, then Martin has succeeded in his goal. I can understand why there might be some concern and it is difficult for me to fault those people relying on the source material alone. We are, in a way, cheating. I don't think Martin intended for readers to search cast lists to figure out that key plot points are going nowhere (see: Lady Stoneheart), or that a fan would creep on an earlier draft to dispel a popular fan theory. It's obvious that Jon's coming back if you use outside information, but the ideal reader should have none of this information and be at least be a little concerned that he'll stay dead. EDIT: And while I'm thinking about it, I'll add another point about those missing library chapters. If we consider the missing chapters to have been part of Martin's original plan, then I think A Dance With Dragons becomes a much more satisfying book. The book opens with everything in the shitter, with Jon struggling to maintain order, Tyrion in exile, Meereen in chaos, and ends in a series of triumphant, magic based game-changers: Dany fulfills her prophecy, Jon rises from the dead, Stannis unleashes the power of Azor Azai in the Battle on the Ice, and the dragons are finally freed at Meereen. I think the book was intended to be the culmination of all the talk on magic in earlier books, with cataclysmic supernatural phenomenons manifesting themselves simultaneous at opposite ends of the earth. For whatever reason, we never got that final pay-off and there's no real climax. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Jan 12, 2015 |
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Jon being actually dead is dramatically unsatisfying in a way that Ned or Rob or Cat weren't, and would just feel like Martin repeating himself. There's just still stuff left for him to do, and Martin has set up a bunch of ways for him to be revived. It would also be pretty neat if he's our first major post-resurrection POV character. We don't get inside Lady Stoneheart's head, but I bet we do get inside whatever the new Jon Snow will be.
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There's another reason other than not being written that the battles might be missing and that's that they were culled before he gave the manuscript away. Omnomnomnivore posted:Jon being actually dead is dramatically unsatisfying in a way that Ned or Rob or Cat weren't, and would just feel like Martin repeating himself. There's just still stuff left for him to do, and Martin has set up a bunch of ways for him to be revived. It would also be pretty neat if he's our first major post-resurrection POV character. We don't get inside Lady Stoneheart's head, but I bet we do get inside whatever the new Jon Snow will be. I tend to agree, for part of the reason that Jon's arc in general is probably one of, if not the most entertaining from start to finish. It's not exactly a new story given it's pretty traditional in the whole unloved dude becomes bad rear end leader of men, but I'm on my third re-read (55% through Storm now) and it's probably the best written arc of any character. The poo poo happening in the north is far more entertaining than any of the other stuff by the end of the books as they are. It's a shame Gurm isn't closer to having them done, I'm gonna be real frustrated in about two weeks when I finish the series again.
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BlindSite posted:There's another reason other than not being written that the battles might be missing and that's that they were culled before he gave the manuscript away. How does Tyrion's arc read a second time? Of all the stories, his is the most geographically expansive. He's been to Winterfell, the Wall, the Riverlands, King's Landing, and all over Essos... Even on my first read through, I felt he had too many "adventures".
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In my opinion, on subsequent reads, you realize how detestable Tyrion is as a person. On the first read, he comes off favorably because he's someone with a modicum of self-awareness and morality in King's Landing and he's also funny, so you overlook how bad he is because you're naturally comparing him to Joffrey, Cersei, and Tywin. Most people start to hate Tyrion in ADWD, but in reality he was always that unlikable. It's just now he has a shittier attitude and is no longer surrounded by completely evil characters so it's harder to ignore all of his wrongdoings.
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Brick Card posted:How does Tyrion's arc read a second time? Of all the stories, his is the most geographically expansive. He's been to Winterfell, the Wall, the Riverlands, King's Landing, and all over Essos... Even on my first read through, I felt he had too many "adventures". It's good, he's not quite as sympathetic as he is in the show. His travels don't seem that unusual but he does seem to travel easier than anyone else. I realise that he's largely travelling when the kings peace has only just been broken but everyone else can't seem to fart without someone wanting to cut them to bits, but Tyrion seems to skate through. There's the issues with the mountain clans but after he kind of skates but to kings landing. In It For The Tank posted:In my opinion, on subsequent reads, you realize how detestable Tyrion is as a person. On the first read, he comes off favorably because he's someone with a modicum of self-awareness and morality in King's Landing and he's also funny, so you overlook how bad he is because you're naturally comparing him to Joffrey, Cersei, and Tywin. Most people start to hate Tyrion in ADWD, but in reality he was always that unlikable. It's just now he has a shittier attitude and is no longer surrounded by completely evil characters so it's harder to ignore all of his wrongdoings. Yeah he's kind of a lovely person. I wouldn't call him an inherently bad guy but then again I wouldn't call anyone other than a few an inherently lovely human being. You get the benefit of his inner monologue and some of what he does is perfectly justified but there's quite a bit of it that isn't. He's very much arrogant and automatically assumes the worst of people, sometimes rightly sometimes wrongly and very much advances and protects people for doing the same lovely things he's punished others for doing. For example Everyone cheers for Janos Slynt being sent to the wall, but that dude kind of got a raw deal in the scheme of things. His queen (who he's served for nearly a decade) commands him to take a traitor into custody, his king commands him to hold a man for execution and then he has his noggin lopped off when a 15 year old he's been told is an oath breaking turn cloak gives him a command. He went from a fairly faithful commander of the city watch given advancement for unfaltering servitude to headless, landless and claimless in a short space of time. Tyrion seems to loathe the kettleblacks for doing exactly what he paid Bronn to do and turfed Pycelle into a black cell for doing what Varys and Baelish did. I've only just literally re-read the red wedding, but with Tyrion he had more than one chance to take himself out of danger and out of play but ignored those opportunities in an effort to seek more power. Realistically he could've left kings landing after he recovered from his wounds and returned to Casterly Rock. He knew his father was likely to serve as king's hand for life, Stannis' fleet was broken and he could have taken a ship to lannisport, dropped Shae in an apartment in town and chilled the gently caress out rich for the rest of his days replacing the Lannister captain of the guard with Bronn or some other substitute loyal to his cause. Instead he wanted to stake his claim loudly and stick around, demanded a position (got made master of coin which he hated) and stuck around for Shae and to spite his sister. All the while he spreads his vitriol to those around him and seeks to undermine those around him to his own detriment. Hell Tywin probably could've wedded him to Sansa anyway and had her delivered to the rock which would've been safer than king's landing anyway. He knew his sister wanted him gone, knew Joffrey hated him and was risking everything by staying but his arrogance wouldn't allow him to leave.
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