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canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

epenthesis posted:

People in NYC may be interested in Ben Rimalower's solo show Bad With Money, running at The Duplex through February. His story is a little on the hairy side even for this thread, starting with the familiar "blowing your entire paycheck on junk" episodes but eventually getting into prostitution, drug/alcohol addiction, and embezzlement. Outside of some harrowing stretches on those topics, it's actually pretty funny (though a high tolerance for musical theatre references helps).

Red text on blue background? Ben Rimalower is bad with web design.

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epenthesis
Jan 12, 2008

I'M TAKIN' YOU PUNKS DOWN!

canyoneer posted:

Red text on blue background? Ben Rimalower is bad with web design.

DIY web design is good with money though. He's learning!

jaymeekae
Aug 30, 2003

I sound hot when I swear my f*cking head off.

epenthesis posted:

DIY web design is good with money though. He's learning!

Not really, not if you're trying to market something online and you are terrible at it.

epenthesis
Jan 12, 2008

I'M TAKIN' YOU PUNKS DOWN!

jaymeekae posted:

Not really, not if you're trying to market something online and you are terrible at it.

Good point. Still bad with money.

Though to be fair, cabaret has been on life support even in New York since long before anyone had ever heard of the web, so 90s-era web design is cutting-edge in this context.

Not a Children
Oct 9, 2012

Don't need a holster if you never stop shooting.

http://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/2rv5v0/freezing_to_death_literally_urgent_crisis_please/

Dude lost his $80k/yr job in July, and is currently living out of his car.

His financial sins:
Owns two cars, one of which is paid off. The other one is costing him $500/month before his $180/month insurance, and is not even the one he sleeps in. He is ~$5k underwater on the car.
Spends $350 on gas per month. No word on whether that is due to him literally living in his car and using it for heat or whatever.
Lives an hour away from his hometown, and would rather freeze in his car than commute.

This is what happens when you don't keep an adequate emergency fund on hand, kids. I have a feeling that if he wasn't at risk of literally dying from exposure, he wouldn't even have been seeking help.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you
Someone is literally going to freeze to death to keep an internship and to maintain their credit rating :patriot:

Barry
Aug 1, 2003

Hardened Criminal

quote:

Your expected monthly income is $1,136, and you're currently spending $1,030 on your car.

Amazing.

MickeyFinn
May 8, 2007
Biggie Smalls and Junior Mafia some mark ass bitches

Barry posted:

Amazing.

Back in grad school everyone in my year moved out of the grad student housing after the first year and the department complained that if no one is going to take advantage of the housing that the slots would be lost to another department. I sent them an email with two numbers:
The expected take home pay of a research assistant II: $975/month
The cost of living in the graduate student housing: $1050/month

It turns out that everyone from my year was moving on to research from teaching (which is unionized and paid 2x more at the time). RAs start off at level V now.

Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


Sometimes there is beauty in simplicity.

http://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/2rxttf/bad_idea_to_finance_a_car_with_minimum_wage/ posted:

I just want to hear why its a bad idea, so i work a minimum wage job that pays $10 an hr and i work 24hrs a week which is around $394 every two weeks after taxes. So far i saved up 3k in my bank account. My idea is to get a 15k car and finance it. Good or bad idea? And what do you recommend? Lastly l get about $1,800 from financial aid(community college) every quarter so $5,400 a year, given that i take a full time classes

:laffo:

e: This guy might be good with money :stare:

quote:

My friend had a 9-5 job that he was working on when he got accepted to another job. He didn't quit the earlier job and because one of them is telecommuting with remote desktop, he is able to work both at the same time. For one of them he commutes and he puts 8 hours on his time sheet for each job.

For most people there would be time management issues but he is very proficient in what he does and is generally more productive than the other employees. Extending this even further, he has taken on a third job and now is getting paid for 24 hours of work for each 8 hour day.

I imagine there would be issues with taxes or the IRS and I doubt the employers would appreciate his work schedule, but other than it being unethical is it also illegal? He still pays out taxes for all the jobs and is not trying to hide from the government that he is indeed working all of these jobs.

Edit: There seems to be a bit of confusion. He's billing three different companies for the same 8 hours of his time, effectively being paid for 24 hours of work in 8 hours of working. Most people seem to say he might get fired if found out, but is it illegal? Because he is okay with taking the risk of being fired as long as it isn't illegal.

This one is reminiscent of that dude bringing in 6 figures who paid some Chinese company five figure to do the work for him. Get it while the getting's good, I guess.

Guest2553 fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Jan 10, 2015

pig slut lisa
Mar 5, 2012

irl is good


Guest2553 posted:

Sometimes there is beauty in simplicity.


:laffo:

That guy sure is on the fast track to success: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2k3os2/how_in_the_world_do_you_stay_awake_in_a_calculus/

Not a Children
Oct 9, 2012

Don't need a holster if you never stop shooting.

quote:

e: This guy might be good with money :stare:

This one is reminiscent of that dude bringing in 6 figures who paid some Chinese company five figure to do the work for him. Get it while the getting's good, I guess.

A lot of white-collar employers have a clause in their hiring documents that requires employees to get approval to take on other work. If an employer finds out, it's pretty much up to them how they react. They might not care if he's getting all his work done, but they may potentially sue him depending on the terms of his employment. He could easily get taken to court for some sort of fraud.

edit: If he's using one company's resources to work for another company (Which he definitely is, given that he's telecommuting from the office), that's pretty good odds on getting his rear end sued, especially in the not-at-all-unlikely case that he's working for competing companies. If he's VPN'ing to another company, it's only a matter of time before an IT audit nabs him.

Not a Children fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Jan 10, 2015

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
If the other employers are in the same industry, or can be perceived as competitors in any way, the poo poo is gonna hit the fan hard.

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

If he's billing for 8 hours and not working those 8 hours, that's classic fraud.

Blackjack2000
Mar 29, 2010

Dik Hz posted:

If he's billing for 8 hours and not working those 8 hours, that's classic fraud.

My office is full of frauds unless their jobs are to surf the net.

moana
Jun 18, 2005

one of the more intellectual satire communities on the web
I agree with this comment:

quote:

do this all from home on a hourly billable basis and the name changes from "fraud" to "consulting"

BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

Billable hours have little to do with actual hours. To me, the big issue is that he's doing it from an office job, where the expectation is probably that they're buying his time in addition to his production. His manager is a moron if he's getting away with that.

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender

Not a Children posted:

His financial sins:
Owns two cars, one of which is paid off. The other one is costing him $500/month before his $180/month insurance, and is not even the one he sleeps in. He is ~$5k underwater on the car.
OP comes around on this part eventually, but...

quote:

I am still upside down in the loan, so selling or trading is not an option.
When you're at the point of living out of your cars, why even give a poo poo about holding onto the one that has a payment? What mindset even allows for "I'm homeless and possibly going to freeze to death, better hold onto this $500/mo sinkhole"? It's not like his credit score would matter if he died of exposure!

So many questions, not enough answers.


As for Mr. Working 3 Jobs At The Same Time, this reddit comment says everything I was thinking:

quote:

There's also a chance your friend isn't as smooth as he thinks he is.
Not me, but I've known people that have had coworkers that tried to do this and it was very obvious, even with a relaxed atmosphere and generous telecommuting policy. Then coworkers try and get you fired bc you aren't available for meetings or to cover incidents when you are supposed to, so not only do you get fired but you burn bridges and lose connections.
You can only be so subtle about doing the work of three jobs on one job's time. "His friend" swears that "he is constantly in meetings for one of the jobs but the other job has no meetings and the other other job has meetings only rarely", but there's no way this isn't affecting his availability for other parts of his main job.

The Experiment
Dec 12, 2010


There was a guy I knew who worked two jobs. He was a safety inspector for two employers. His job was to inspect construction crews out and about in the field for both jobs. Long story short, it lasted about six months and was fired from both jobs.

Seems to me that it is a matter of when, not if you get caught.

BEHOLD: MY CAPE
Jan 11, 2004

Not a Children posted:

A lot of white-collar employers have a clause in their hiring documents that requires employees to get approval to take on other work. If an employer finds out, it's pretty much up to them how they react. They might not care if he's getting all his work done, but they may potentially sue him depending on the terms of his employment. He could easily get taken to court for some sort of fraud.

edit: If he's using one company's resources to work for another company (Which he definitely is, given that he's telecommuting from the office), that's pretty good odds on getting his rear end sued, especially in the not-at-all-unlikely case that he's working for competing companies. If he's VPN'ing to another company, it's only a matter of time before an IT audit nabs him.

I bet he'd get fired but what would be the point of suing the guy?

TwoSheds
Sep 12, 2007

Bringer of sugary treats!

BEHOLD: MY CAPE posted:

I bet he'd get fired but what would be the point of suing the guy?

Set an example for the next guy that thinks of doubling down on the company dime?

Inverse Icarus
Dec 4, 2003

I run SyncRPG, and produce original, digital content for the Pathfinder RPG, designed from the ground up to be played online.
It's really bad press to sue your own employees, and even worse press that your management can't tell if someone is working two other full-time jobs while in your office.

BEHOLD: MY CAPE
Jan 11, 2004

TwoSheds posted:

Set an example for the next guy that thinks of doubling down on the company dime?

You don't think firing would accomplish that?

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.
There might also be some thorny intellectual property issues, what with assignation clauses and poo poo.

TwoSheds
Sep 12, 2007

Bringer of sugary treats!

BEHOLD: MY CAPE posted:

You don't think firing would accomplish that?

I was just guessing, but based on that reddit thread, some people may view firing as an acceptable risk for making sufficient amounts of money.

Inverse Icarus
Dec 4, 2003

I run SyncRPG, and produce original, digital content for the Pathfinder RPG, designed from the ground up to be played online.

TwoSheds posted:

I was just guessing, but based on that reddit thread, some people may view firing as an acceptable risk for making sufficient amounts of money.

Especially since he has two other jobs he presumably didn't get fired from.

Centripetal Horse
Nov 22, 2009

Fuck money, get GBS

This could have bought you a half a tank of gas, lmfao -
Love, gromdul

Inverse Icarus posted:

Especially since he has two other jobs he presumably didn't get fired from.

Lol, sunny side up, folks!

Oh, no! I'm fired? Guess I'll have to only get paid for twice the number of hours I actually work.

Folly
May 26, 2010
We were talking about college tuition at work today because most of my co-workers have kids considering college in the next year or two, and Disney guy chimes in: "I highly recommend <for-profit college>, the tuition fee is always the same whether you take a single class or full time. It's where I'm doing my MBA."

So paying the same amount per semester and but taking fewer class, thus more semesters, is a feature they provide for you to help balance your time.

Tyro
Nov 10, 2009

Folly posted:

We were talking about college tuition at work today because most of my co-workers have kids considering college in the next year or two, and Disney guy chimes in: "I highly recommend <for-profit college>, the tuition fee is always the same whether you take a single class or full time. It's where I'm doing my MBA."

So paying the same amount per semester and but taking fewer class, thus more semesters, is a feature they provide for you to help balance your time.

Also, totally missing the point of an MBA unless he works somewhere where a check-the-box grad degree will help him advance.

But yeah, wow. They spun the hell out of that "feature."

spinst
Jul 14, 2012



I'm doing an MS online and it's the same deal, except the opposite. You have to be at least full time, but you can take as many extra classes you want for the same tuition. I wish I had enough free time to take advantage of it.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Folly posted:

We were talking about college tuition at work today because most of my co-workers have kids considering college in the next year or two, and Disney guy chimes in: "I highly recommend <for-profit college>, the tuition fee is always the same whether you take a single class or full time. It's where I'm doing my MBA."

So paying the same amount per semester and but taking fewer class, thus more semesters, is a feature they provide for you to help balance your time.

That can't be right. Either the school is going to charge by the credit hour or less likely a flat rate for the program.

Is he getting tuition benefits through work? If so there's a good chance he doesn't know how it's getting paid.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW
It's been a while for me, but he might be referencing that some places charge more per hour if you take fewer hours.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

Harry posted:

It's been a while for me, but he might be referencing that some places charge more per hour if you take fewer hours.

Yeah, it's usually tiered. At both universities I attended (undergrad and MBA), tuition maxes out at 12 credit hours. Total tuition billed for 6 credit hours/semester is less than for 9 credit hours/semester. You could take 24 credit hours in a semester (if your department would let you) and you'd still pay the 12 hour rate, which makes the effective cost per credit hour much cheaper.
The fees were fixed too. If you took one class or 20 classes, you still paid the "athletics fee" and "technology fee" to pay the football coach's $1.5M annual salary and provide computers for homeless guys to watch porn in the university library.

Both schools also try to cheat me by charging out-of-state tuition for both residents and nonresidents for summer courses. I took a one credit course (internship), and it was something like $1500 after fees, compared to $7k/semester for a regular full-time load.

Folly
May 26, 2010
The school is Western Governor's University: "WGU has only one enrollment status: full-time. All students are expected to complete the minimum number of competency units per term (12 for undergraduate programs and 8 for graduate programs) to make On Time Progress toward graduation." So it appears he's just confused as to the minimum hours requirement. Also, it says its a non-profit. And it's pretty cheap relatively speaking.

As online graduate schools go, it seems like a fair deal, even if his attitude on it is all messed up. But, more importantly, this:

Tyro posted:

Also, totally missing the point of an MBA unless he works somewhere where a check-the-box grad degree will help him advance.

It isn't. We work in IT. I'm pretty sure he's a contractor. He's just got the IT bug where your career stagnates fairly early due to the big bottleneck at the architect level. He's being smarter about it than I was, at least.

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006
I'm thinking about doing a bad with money thing and going to Seattle Central Community College part-time after I get my Washington residency established in order to take some CS classes to help me learn programming principles. This is in an effort to advance my IT career from manual QA tester to a QA Engineer with scripting skills. I have tried to teach myself scripting languages using online tutorials but my learning style is far better suited to a professor explaining concepts I don't understand.

Hopefully with Obama's new community college initiative, it won't cost me anything beyond administrative and student fees. It'd be a hell of a lot more useful having an associate's degree in something CS related for my career than having my massive poo poo stain of a History bachelor's.

Folly
May 26, 2010
You actually want knowledge and not credit hours? Stanford has you covered for the BFC approved price of FREE: http://online.stanford.edu/courses/topic/4
Not sure if it would work with your learning style or not, but I think the lectures are recorded and then you're suppose to work on the TA-moderated forums/chats with your classmates to actually learn.

I keep meaning to take that class so I can figure out what my kid has to know before he can take it. I've got a few years, though.

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

Folly posted:

You actually want knowledge and not credit hours? Stanford has you covered for the BFC approved price of FREE: http://online.stanford.edu/courses/topic/4
Not sure if it would work with your learning style or not, but I think the lectures are recorded and then you're suppose to work on the TA-moderated forums/chats with your classmates to actually learn.

I keep meaning to take that class so I can figure out what my kid has to know before he can take it. I've got a few years, though.

That actually might work - I don't need credit hours for anything, but the knowledge I'm looking for would be much easier to get in a specialized teaching environment like this. If I've got people to review my work and/or ask questions if I get stuck without posting in a thread and hoping someone answers, that would take care of a lot of it. Thanks!

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things

Folly posted:

The school is Western Governor's University: "WGU has only one enrollment status: full-time. All students are expected to complete the minimum number of competency units per term (12 for undergraduate programs and 8 for graduate programs) to make On Time Progress toward graduation." So it appears he's just confused as to the minimum hours requirement. Also, it says its a non-profit. And it's pretty cheap relatively speaking.

As online graduate schools go, it seems like a fair deal, even if his attitude on it is all messed up. But, more importantly, this:


It isn't. We work in IT. I'm pretty sure he's a contractor. He's just got the IT bug where your career stagnates fairly early due to the big bottleneck at the architect level. He's being smarter about it than I was, at least.

WGU is actually pretty rad, cost wise. Good well recognized school and only like 2 grand every 6 months last i checked. I've been seriously looking into it so I can make the jump from desktop support to something more well paying in the security or server realm. You earn most of the certs folks look for during the course of the degree which is what i'm missing.

MrKatharsis
Nov 29, 2003

feel the bern

HonorableTB posted:

I'm thinking about doing a bad with money thing and going to Seattle Central Community College part-time after I get my Washington residency established in order to take some CS classes to help me learn programming principles.

UW has certificate programs in a bunch of fields including IT. I did one and found the quality of instruction to be excellent. The credits don't transfer but you can put it on your LinkedIn page and it shows employers you are serious about skill building.

Scripting is straightforward stuff though. Pick up a copy of Learning Perl or Powershell in 30 days, set a goal like two chapters a week, and ask the thread in SHSC when you get stuck. If you're into PowerShell I can loan you my copy next time I'm downtown.

So many good IT people have no degree or unrelated degrees. Going back to a traditional school when you've already broken into the field is definitely the most expensive option. It may pay off at some point, but up front it carries the most burden.

ohgodwhat
Aug 6, 2005

Folly posted:

He's just got the IT bug where your career stagnates fairly early due to the big bottleneck at the architect level. He's being smarter about it than I was, at least.

What is a smart way to deal with this, anyway? Anything better than an MBA?

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MickeyFinn
May 8, 2007
Biggie Smalls and Junior Mafia some mark ass bitches
Dude at my work purchased a motorcycle about 2 months ago and left it there because he doesn't have insurance for some reason. It can join my boss's abandoned car in the parking lot, I guess.

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