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radical meme posted:It's Kansas. Them farm boys don't need no educatin. There was a time not too long ago when educating farmers in third world countries was the march of capitalist progress. Then it turned out that you don't really need a lot of farmers, and there were no socialists pushing the working class to educate themselves in an opposing ideology left in America...
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computer parts posted:Post this poll. There's also a difference between "What do you think of Bush, given that we have Obama now" and "What do you think of Bush, given that his brother is running". Seeing how Tea Partiers love Reagan and Reagan did everything they hated, I imagine Tea Partiers like Bush for the same reasons: he's a past Republican president and thus part of the "good old days."
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ThirdPartyView posted:That's because debt is a legal concept, and ask Argentina how well things went when they told creditors to gently caress off (on several occasions). Argentina cut a deal with the majority of their debtors but a small group of holdouts brought them to a US court - and last I heard the court ruled they have to pay off 100% of the debt not just to the hold outs, but to the people the government had settled with. This is a nation being publicly humiliated in the vein of Weimar Germany.
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If only there was a way we could see this coming... shooting an unarmed teen, multiple run-ins with the police for assault, his wife refusing to press charges when he threatened her with a gun, playing protection for like a pawn shop, being pulled over for road rage. e: was his girlfriend armed with the linoleum flooring? Phone fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Jan 11, 2015 |
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PostNouveau posted:Would gender help Hillary get out the vote? I don't know much about it on the whole, but anecdotally, I knew several women who were very excited about working hard to get Hillary elected in 2008. It seems like the Republicans have primed the electorate for a fight over women's issues in 2016. Definitely. But the assertion I was responding too was claiming that Jeb was the scariest possible opponent for Hillary. Scary to the point that she should consider not running if he got the nomination. I would argue that not only is that not true, but he is actually the most desirable opponent among the serious contenders and if he gets the nod its going to be party time at the Clinton HQ. Unless they nominate a woman to run against her ( they won't ) the attraction of voting for the first female president will not vary based on which candidate the GOP picks. But a poo poo ton of people would vote for a cardboard cutout of Ronald McDonald if that meant voting against Bush III.
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Jan 11, 2015 02:08
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Honestly Huckabee might be the scariest candidate in the general, if he gets to it. There's other potential candidates that might pose problems but none that have actually made concrete steps towards running yet.
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Jan 11, 2015 02:31
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Cliff Racer posted:Honestly Huckabee might be the scariest candidate in the general, if he gets to it. Huckabee is hucking biblical cancer cures lately, he's DOA.
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Jan 11, 2015 03:30
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Dude won't step away from his fox news blowies. See also: Palin.
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Jan 11, 2015 04:06
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DemeaninDemon posted:Dude won't step away from his fox news blowies. See also: Palin. I won money on Huckabee in the past but he ain't gonna be an earner in the future. He's done a great job spinning his guber political career into serious money. He's OK with that paycheck and is playing all his cards towards making more money. Hardcore Christianity and Hardcore Capitalism go together like peanut butter and jelly and Huckabee is super chill being the bread on that sammy.
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Jan 11, 2015 05:19
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DemeaninDemon posted:Dude won't step away from his fox news blowies. See also: Palin. The reason we are even talking about Huck running is because he ended his Fox contract
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Fried Chicken posted:The reason we are even talking about Huck running is because he ended his Fox contract Oh. Bible Cures then. I'm still not buying it. He'll dangle the string and maybe even take part in Iowa straw but he won't go in any more than Trump did. I really need to not gloss over pages.
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Jan 11, 2015 08:10
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The best possible scenario is Clinton vs someone other than Jeb. Slightly worse than that is Clinton vs Jeb, because I think she'll still win though that tightens up her breathing room considerably. Worst case scenario is probably Jeb Bush vs any other Democrat. Biggest farce / most entertaining /horrifying would be a non-Bush Republican vs a non-Clinton Democrat. That would make 2008 look like an ordered and gentlemanly contest
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Huckabee's going to be a formidable candidate. He'll have the evangelical pastors lining up behind to endorse him. They're mad that they split their vote in 2012 between Santorum, Perry, and Bachmann, but Huckabee presents none of the challenges to them that those candidates did. He has a very good shot of winning Iowa, and from there it's just a matter of building momentum in the right states.The Aardvark posted:Are there any other big-name Democrats considering a run? Bernie Sanders, Jim Webb, and Martin O'Malley are almost certainly running. Joseph Robinette "Joe" Biden, Jr might.
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Jan 11, 2015 14:14
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Bernie knows he can't win, he's running to affect Hillary and pull her left. I believe he's said as much explicitly. So no.
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Jan 11, 2015 14:43
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So what will the gravitational point of a GOP primary be - will it be social-conservatives pulling candidates to the right on abortion, SSM and the like with Bush and Romney trying their best to say as crazy poo poo as possible?
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Jan 11, 2015 14:46
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Jan 11, 2015 15:23
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Dr. Tough posted:I thought Schweitzer was running? He might have been. He might still. But about eight months ago he decided to tell a reporter that Diane Feinstein let the CIA rape her and that he thought Eric Cantor's inflection was really gay. He hasn't made any media appearances since and Jim Webb basically took his straight-talkin'-white-guy spot in the primary.
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Jan 11, 2015 15:34
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Joementum posted:He might have been. He might still. But about eight months ago he decided to tell a reporter that Diane Feinstein let the CIA rape her and that he thought Eric Cantor's inflection was really gay. Oh Lordy
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Jan 11, 2015 15:44
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Quote of the day, "If you want to be president, there's only one way to go about that and that is to run.” ~ Ann Romney, to Mitt.
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Jan 11, 2015 15:45
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Joementum posted:Quote of the day, "If you want to be president, there's only one way to go about that and that is to run.” ~ Ann Romney, to Mitt. Tell that to Gerald Ford, Ann. 
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Jan 11, 2015 15:46
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I hate living in KS. While watching the returns I was excited because both Orman and Davis were up by significant margins and I thought the population density of eastern KS might be enough to outweigh the conservatism of western KS, but no, those dumb fucks in Western KS had to gently caress up everything for us on the other side of the state. Until you live here (or have kids in school here) you don't realize how bad things are getting. People I know that are life long conservative Republicans that would never dream of voting for anyone with a D in front of their name were out in droves voting for Paul Davis. Sam Brownback is the worst loving thing thats happened to this state, but hey we have low taxes so thats something. Secretly I think this constant defunding of schools is part of a plot to move all education to private schools were children can be indoctrinated with religions and politically conservative beliefs.
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Jan 11, 2015 15:47
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SalTheBard posted:Secretly I think this constant defunding of schools is part of a plot to move all education to private schools were children can be indoctrinated with religions and politically conservative beliefs. You forgot to include "make a ton of cash for the lovely homeschooling/school of tomorrow education companies" on that list. In the end, I'm not entirely convinced that most conservative activism/policy is much more than marketing overpriced crap to rubes. Didn't Brownback just lose a court challenge on education funding though? How can he reduce the funding when it was already ruled he had to increase it by a judge?
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Jan 11, 2015 15:55
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SalTheBard posted:I hate living in KS. While watching the returns I was excited because both Orman and Davis were up by significant margins and I thought the population density of eastern KS might be enough to outweigh the conservatism of western KS, but no, those dumb fucks in Western KS had to gently caress up everything for us on the other side of the state. Until you live here (or have kids in school here) you don't realize how bad things are getting. People I know that are life long conservative Republicans that would never dream of voting for anyone with a D in front of their name were out in droves voting for Paul Davis. Sam Brownback is the worst loving thing thats happened to this state, but hey we have low taxes so thats something. Secretly I think this constant defunding of schools is part of a plot to move all education to private schools were children can be indoctrinated with religions and politically conservative beliefs. It's a very open and public plot to move all education to private schools, and it's because privatization itself is the religion these people are adhering to Plus the money for their buddies at the homeschool material supply company doesn't hurt
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rkajdi posted:Didn't Brownback just lose a court challenge on education funding though? How can he reduce the funding when it was already ruled he had to increase it by a judge? Yes he did and you know what the result of that court decision was? Nothing...nothing changed at all. icantfindaname posted:It's a very open and public plot to move all education to private schools, and it's because privatization itself is the religion these people are adhering to Well I'm glad that this seems to be a prevailing view because it makes me feel less crazy now.
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Joementum posted:Huckabee's going to be a formidable candidate. He'll have the evangelical pastors lining up behind to endorse him. They're mad that they split their vote in 2012 between Santorum, Perry, and Bachmann, but Huckabee presents none of the challenges to them that those candidates did. He has a very good shot of winning Iowa, and from there it's just a matter of building momentum in the right states. Huck is also going to be the best at being a folksy good ol' boy and will be the only one able to say the most draconian Republican talking points while simultaneously hitting up the compassion and reasonableness centers of your brain. If only he could actually line up some money this time. rkajdi posted:Didn't Brownback just lose a court challenge on education funding though? How can he reduce the funding when it was already ruled he had to increase it by a judge? It's on appeal to the Kansas Supreme Court. So business as usual until the appeal process is over. Brownback's goal is probably to see how long he can drag the court case out on the hopes he gets at least one more budget out the door before he gets his hand slapped on education cuts. Kansas has no one to blame but itself though. You crazy idiots are the ones who voted that rear end in a top hat back in despite it being so bad the old people at my parent's church were talking about how they hated Brownback last time I was back there. I mean, at least Rick Scot was able to point to Florida's improving economy while throwing hissyfits about fans.
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It says something about the appetite for tax cuts in Kansas (or just where the overton window is there) that even Paul Davis was like "oh I'm still gonna cut your taxes...just after the budget woes get fixed"
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Jan 11, 2015 16:42
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Huckabee creates a 'team of experts' (ignore they are all PhDs from Bob Jones University) and promises a secret plan to save America. All he asks for is your vote. February 2017 - 'Our Secret is the power of prayer!'
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Ah yes, more of this "the right to govern comes from God." Never mind once upon a time in this country we all knew the right to govern comes from the consent of the governed, because Thomas Jefferson plagiarized John Locke and said so.
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I suspect ol' Brownback is going to do some radical thing that looks good and is bad like firing all the teachers and rehiring them at 1/10th the pay at a charter school, etc, etc, and magically everything will balance. 'Conservativism' can not be fail, it can only be failed. Double down.
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Jan 11, 2015 17:10
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:It says something about the appetite for tax cuts in Kansas (or just where the overton window is there) that even Paul Davis was like "oh I'm still gonna cut your taxes...just after the budget woes get fixed" Paul Davis is what I like to call a "Kansas Democrat" which is a slightly left of center Republican.
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icantfindaname posted:The best possible scenario is Clinton vs someone other than Jeb. Slightly worse than that is Clinton vs Jeb, because I think she'll still win though that tightens up her breathing room considerably. People keep saying bush III is scary without backing it up. Do you think GOP operatives read here and are trying to trick them into the mistake of running Jeb or something? Is it an in joke I'm missing? A Bush vs Clinton battle royale would drive voter turnout up up up and increased turnout favors democrats. Jeb turns Clinton's biggest campaign liability into an asset as well since his dynasty has been a failure while she isn't actually a dynast. Hillary's best shot is versus Jeb.
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Jan 11, 2015 18:00
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Joementum posted:Quote of the day, "If you want to be president, there's only one way to go about that and that is to run.” ~ Ann Romney, to Mitt. drat Ann wants to be wife of a president so loving hard it isn't even funny. Its like the one thing she's been denied in life and she is so pissed about that. Mitt on the other hand seeks to take a "eh, it would be nice but whatever" approach to the whole thing. Which might be extraordinarily strong emtion for him but still it just seems like he doesn't care that much and is perfectly happy with being Scrooge McDuck rich.
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McAlister posted:People keep saying bush III is scary without backing it up. Do you think GOP operatives read here and are trying to trick them into the mistake of running Jeb or something? Is it an in joke I'm missing? Jeb Bush will have more money and unified backing than any other GOP candidate in 2000,2008 or 2012. Hillary could barely go through 2014 without saying something stupid every time she spoke. The Democratic party need a better candidate.
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Mitt Romney posted:Jeb Bush will have more money and unified backing than any other GOP candidate in 2000,2008 or 2012. Hillary could barely go through 2014 without saying something stupid every time she spoke. The Democratic party need a better candidate. Based on the post/avatar combo I'm thinking this is a deliberate attempt to sabotage the Democratic primary. To produce an easier opponent for Mitch, obviously.
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amanasleep posted:Warren Mosler published a very easy primer on MMT some time back called The Seven Deadly Innocent Frauds of Economic Policy. From last page but this doesn't make me any less leery of MMT. Several of these are just mainstream economics dressed up as being bold and unorthodox, like 2 5 and 6. Others are technically true but misleadingly stated. OK, true, the government can print as much money as it wants, it just shouldn't. It's like someone saying "You know, conventional wisdom says that if you're running towards a cliff, you have to stop before you reach the edge. But that's a DEADLY INNOCENT FRAUD. You can totally just keep running." They just downplay the bit about splattering on the ground and act like they've discovered some brand-new truth about the universe. Also that guy uses far too many punctuation marks to be credible.
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Guy DeBorgore posted:From last page but this doesn't make me any less leery of MMT. Several of these are just mainstream economics dressed up as being bold and unorthodox, like 2 5 and 6. Others are technically true but misleadingly stated. OK, true, the government can print as much money as it wants, it just shouldn't. It's like someone saying "You know, conventional wisdom says that if you're running towards a cliff, you have to stop before you reach the edge. But that's a DEADLY INNOCENT FRAUD. You can totally just keep running." They just downplay the bit about splattering on the ground and act like they've discovered some brand-new truth about the universe. He also points out several times, in boldface, that the fact that the government can issue currency without limitation doesn't mean that that's always a good idea, because it might lead to inflation, etc. It just means that you have to actually look at how inflation occurs in open monetary systems and determine from that whether or not to issue currency. This means you have to pay attention to stuff like whether or not the specific currency issuance you're contemplating will raise the money supply of households. It also means that there's no magical 90% limit at which issuing currency becomes harmful, contra Reinhardt and Rogoff. It also means that slogans such as, "the government has to get money before it can spend money" are nonsense.
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McAlister posted:A Bush vs Clinton battle royale would drive voter turnout up up up and increased turnout favors democrats. Turnout increases when people want to vote for a candidate, not when they want to vote against a candidate.
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Shifty Pony posted:drat Ann wants to be wife of a president so loving hard it isn't even funny. Its like the one thing she's been denied in life and she is so pissed about that. Here's why I think Ann Romney is so insistent on Mitt becoming president: she received personal revelation that was confirmed by her spiritual leaders in Salt Lake City, and if he doesn't win the White House that means her faith is a lie. For the true believer, having direct revelation contradicted by reality is devastating. It's especially difficult for Ann because she converted. So, if God promised her the presidency, then Mitt just has to run until God delivers.
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botany posted:He also points out several times, in boldface, that the fact that the government can issue currency without limitation doesn't mean that that's always a good idea, because it might lead to inflation, etc. It just means that you have to actually look at how inflation occurs in open monetary systems and determine from that whether or not to issue currency. This means you have to pay attention to stuff like whether or not the specific currency issuance you're contemplating will raise the money supply of households. It also means that there's no magical 90% limit at which issuing currency becomes harmful, contra Reinhardt and Rogoff. It also means that slogans such as, "the government has to get money before it can spend money" are nonsense. Agreed. The major insight of MMT is of emphasis, not fundamental economics (although there are some researchers like Steve Keen who are doing more advanced stuff in modeling banking and private debt dynamics). Key in the MMT conception of sovereign debt is that the currently dominant political framing, which makes a false equivalence between sovereign finances and individual finances, is inherently misleading. Government spending without limit in all situations is foolish, because it misallocates real resources and causes unnecessary inflation and market distortions. But government spending should not be artificially limited by the idea that revenues finance expenditures, and "revenues finance expenditures" and "government debt is unsustainable" are false ideas that dominate the debate over government expenditures.
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