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Uthor posted:New Lumias. Hooray, even more low-cost devices for emerging markets  Clock's ticking on that new flagship, MS 
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loquacius posted:Hooray, even more low-cost devices for emerging markets At least they're finally killing off the 512MB devices, unless with Windows 10 1GB is the new 512MB. 
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Jan 14, 2015 17:18
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Oh poo poo, a 4 Series. Nokia NEVER released a 4 because it wouldn't sell in China. Nokia really is dead.
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Jan 14, 2015 18:37
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loquacius posted:Hooray, even more low-cost devices for emerging markets All I had to see was "New Lumias" to know it would be more cheapo phones I had no interest in.
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Jan 14, 2015 18:55
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Whoop de loving do Microsoft.
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Jan 15, 2015 00:24
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Maneki Neko posted:At least they're finally killing off the 512MB devices, unless with Windows 10 1GB is the new 512MB. Definitely a silver lining. I guess they really are waiting for Windows 10 for the new flagships.
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Jan 15, 2015 01:59
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Factor Mystic posted:Definitely a silver lining. I guess they really are waiting for Windows 10 for the new flagships. If they are, that's madness. That'll be closing on 2 years without flagship-level hardware. They can just release something punchy now and update its software later in the year.
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Jan 15, 2015 02:17
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WattsvilleBlues posted:If they are, that's madness. That'll be closing on 2 years without flagship-level hardware. They can just release something punchy now and update its software later in the year. Yeah because the "you'll definitely get the update! Later...! Pls send cheque made out to cash now!" has worked out so well.
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Jan 15, 2015 02:26
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Factor Mystic posted:Yeah because the "you'll definitely get the update! Later...! Pls send cheque made out to cash now!" has worked out so well. Works for every Android manufacturer 
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Jan 15, 2015 03:35
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loquacius posted:Hooray, even more low-cost devices for emerging markets However, some perspective on this. Feel free to skewer me on this if you like but it's the reality we're in. It's good that there are more low cost device and I hope they keep coming at a quicker pace. There I said it. It's the bitter pill I didn't want to swallow because it's not want I want. The reason is basically boils down to this: the major thing thing that is going to help all the other issues WP has (including developer update to apps, new apps, etc) is doing whatever it takes to get to/increase scale. Yes there are some side parts (better convergence, dev tools, api, better carrier "support" etc), but scale is buy far and away the #1 thing that matters here. And only real way that is going to keep the acceleration going is where where the major parts of the mobile markets are going, which again is the lower end segment. That doesn't mean I don't think we should release a 940, 1030, etc right now. I wish/hope we do. But at the same time, as much as these devices don't interest me (because I'm, and probably most of us) are not the target market, some perspective to keep in mind is that they really are needed and WP would be a lot worse off if they didn't exist.
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Jan 15, 2015 03:39
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Do people in developing markets buy apps in any significant numbers? I expect an up tick of 1% market share in the U.S. would be far more valuable to app developers than an increase several times that in South America.
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Jan 15, 2015 04:03
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What happens when they get to 990 or 1090? They're hosed!
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Jan 15, 2015 04:58
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990 Plus 1090 Plus
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Jan 15, 2015 05:14
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OldPueblo posted:990 Plus 990 Plus#
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Jan 15, 2015 05:27
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RVProfootballer posted:Do people in developing markets buy apps in any significant numbers? I expect an up tick of 1% market share in the U.S. would be far more valuable to app developers than an increase several times that in South America.
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MobMentality posted:What happens when they get to 990 or 1090? They're hosed! lol, like they'll get to the 50s
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Jan 15, 2015 06:06
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RVProfootballer posted:Do people in developing markets buy apps in any significant numbers? I expect an up tick of 1% market share in the U.S. would be far more valuable to app developers than an increase several times that in South America. e:fb MobMentality posted:What happens when they get to 990 or 1090? They're hosed!
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Jan 15, 2015 07:20
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:Anecdotally, they will but only if you can bill to the carrier instead of being a card (which is Microsoft is making some progress on, so yay I guess). Recently, like a month or so my carrier Orange (EU) allowed to pay things from the Microsoft store, google play and iOS store thing with my bill wich I don't like but hey, it's there. I prefer to pay with a prepaid card I use for these things but hey, the more options the better.
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Jan 15, 2015 13:42
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xylo posted:The reason is basically boils down to this: the major thing thing that is going to help all the other issues WP has (including developer update to apps, new apps, etc) is doing whatever it takes to get to/increase scale. I'm having a little trouble following this part. For example: A bunch of Chinese people buy budget windows phones, and then more Chinese developers produce Chinese-language apps for the Chinese users. How does this improve any of the WinPhone ecosystem issues anywhere other than China? In this thread I mentioned the most popular (on all platforms) mobile app in the country and the only other person who knew what I was talking about makes localized apps for a foreign market.
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Jan 15, 2015 14:30
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Dr Tran posted:lol, like they'll get to the 50s This. There'll be at LEAST a rebrand before we get that far, if nothing else.
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Jan 15, 2015 15:05
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Speaking of China, I did get this review for my PlayStation app from (who I'm guessing is) a Chinese user. I like the fact they ask me why the app is not in China, but they ask in Chinese, like I would know without looking at the translation what they said. Never mind the fact the app is only translated into English and Japanese. But whatever, I got five stars anyway .And to answer his question, "Ask Microsoft.", because every time I've tried to enable China support, they block it, and don't tell me why other than "It's a social networking app.". This, despite my Japanese SNS app being allowed there  . And oddly enough, that app has more downloads in China then Japan.Looking at my apps download stats (Beyond Awful Forums Reader, since we can guess the target market for that app): The majority are still in America, but not by much. Italy, India, Vietnam and, to a lesser extent, the UK make up the rest for me. I don't know the exact stats for VLC, but from what I was told, beyond America the majority of our downloads are coming from India and (I think) China/Southeast Asia. And they are just now translating the app beyond the lovely Japanese one I did.
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Jan 15, 2015 15:17
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There are rumors going around that WP10/W10M phones are expected for May 2015. Despite expected Fall availability of Windows 10.
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LentThem posted:I'm having a little trouble following this part. For example: A bunch of Chinese people buy budget windows phones, and then more Chinese developers produce Chinese-language apps for the Chinese users. How does this improve any of the WinPhone ecosystem issues anywhere other than China?
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RVProfootballer posted:Do people in developing markets buy apps in any significant numbers? I expect an up tick of 1% market share in the U.S. would be far more valuable to app developers than an increase several times that in South America. What makes you think it's just the developing markets that buy cheap smartphones? To get apps Microsoft needs a market share and it's the sub $150/£100 that sells most in every market. Flagships look great in the shops and sell well to nerds but the market is much bigger at the bottom end than the high end. The only company that does well with flagship phones is Apple and Microsoft is no Apple.
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Jan 15, 2015 19:48
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Foxtrot_13 posted:What makes you think it's just the developing markets that buy cheap smartphones? I said nothing like that and was specifically talking about the new phones Microsoft announced. "The Lumia 435 and Lumia 532 will begin rolling out in February in select countries in Europe, Asia-Pacific, India, the Middle East and Africa."
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Jan 15, 2015 20:01
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A Yolo Wizard posted:Somehow the 920 I moved to from my previous 920 is now also stuck in headphone mode. Any ideas? I had the same issue. Go to FM radio and switch on the speaker. Then pick on the pins on the right hand side of the jack with a paperclip until the "need headphones" message pops up. Not an easy fix, and it requires some finesse, but hey, it's something to try.
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Jan 16, 2015 11:46
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Odd question. With the whole "unified" (wrong word I know) appmarket think they want to have for windows 10. How is the appmarket in windows desktop 8.1 doing?  Is it such a booming business, because I just can't imagine it being such an app magnet. With every PC coming with several perfect browsers and plenty of screen real estate and no battery worries. That's not even going into how many normal programs there are where people don't have to pay MS a small hosting fee.
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Darth TNT posted:Odd question. With the whole "unified" (wrong word I know) appmarket think they want to have for windows 10. I can only speak for me, but my Windows 8.1 apps get far more downloads than Windows Phone, and from a far more diverse set of Countries. But my Windows Phone apps have more... um... passionate users. Meaning that when something breaks, I'll know about it. Be it email, twitter, or elsewhere, I'll get called a shithead who can't code anything .
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Darth TNT posted:Odd question. With the whole "unified" (wrong word I know) appmarket think they want to have for windows 10. The way the Windows 8 market is looking I doubt it'll be a huge influx or anything for WP to unify the matters properly, but both WP and Windows are doing decently on a lot of sort of key applications, and I would expect that cutting down on the fundamental hassle of supporting more stuff will help. Not so much in getting more apps very quickly, but possibly in making a bit of an ecosystem play for enterprises etc.
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Jan 16, 2015 14:38
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Darth TNT posted:Odd question. With the whole "unified" (wrong word I know) appmarket think they want to have for windows 10. The concept is "Universal Apps". The Windows Store is pretty anemic, much like the Windows Phone Store. Not requiring apps to be fullscreen in Windows 10 will be a step in the right direction, as would opening up the Xbone to public Universal apps without requiring a copublisher. Former is confirmed, latter is wishful thinking.
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Jan 16, 2015 15:27
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Given windowed Metro apps, I can see the Windows Store gaining traction.
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Jan 16, 2015 16:05
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Some of the Windows 8 desktop apps are pretty great, but I do avoid a lot of them simply because of the full or split screen thing.
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Gotta say it's annoying that MS has just now seemingly figured out that even your lowest-tier phone needs 1GB. This was patently obvious a while ago, yet they still brought forth a slew of 512mb devices which are now outmoded in just a few months. I mean FFS, I get "Loading.." when unlocking the phone with only the shopping list portion of the H&F app running on my 635, even if I've just locked it 20 seconds before.
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I agree with your sentiment, but your example is mistaken - the same thing happens with phones that have 2 gigabytes of RAM. It's called app idle detection - basically, apps are deactivated to save battery power when the phone is locked. It's up to the app developer to decide whether they want to bypass this behavior.
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I feel that I did right when I recommended my mom to get a 635 because she needs something cheap as she gets it for free getting a 10.5€/month contract with 800mb data 4G (2-year contract). She's still using a Nokia C5 and wants something to use whatsapp and really EASY. The only other alternative on Vodafone (Spain) is the Sony Xperia E1 wich looks to me worse because we all know how well runs android with 512mb compared to yes, loading times with the 635 but less than 1gb on android makes devices lock (I still own a Galaxy S). Here's the raw spec comparison between the two: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=5966&idPhone2=6254  At least I hope when she gets out of contract and windows phone is not dead (maybe even in better shape!) she can continue with Lumia 
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Mikser posted:I agree with your sentiment, but your example is mistaken - the same thing happens with phones that have 2 gigabytes of RAM. It's called app idle detection - basically, apps are deactivated to save battery power when the phone is locked. It's up to the app developer to decide whether they want to bypass this behavior. That applies to sliverlight, not WinRT. I think you could use DisplayRequest as a lovely workaround for that though, but I can't think of a reason to do so unless you have something that really needs to be running all the time. And for 90% of apps, they don't.
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Mikser posted:I agree with your sentiment, but your example is mistaken - the same thing happens with phones that have 2 gigabytes of RAM. It's called app idle detection - basically, apps are deactivated to save battery power when the phone is locked. It's up to the app developer to decide whether they want to bypass this behavior. Do they actually power down unused RAM opportunistically though? Otherwise there is little point to tombstoning the apps into flash (which I assume is what has to be happening to get "resuming") when they can just stay resident but unscheduled. One of those things that they really should fix but which no doubt is mired in some technical process details which mess it up.
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:Gotta say it's annoying that MS has just now seemingly figured out that even your lowest-tier phone needs 1GB. This was patently obvious a while ago, yet they still brought forth a slew of 512mb devices which are now outmoded in just a few months.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:Do they actually power down unused RAM opportunistically though? Otherwise there is little point to tombstoning the apps into flash (which I assume is what has to be happening to get "resuming") when they can just stay resident but unscheduled.
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Combat Pretzel posted:No computing device whatsoever does power down specific RAM modules or chips. It's a memory management nightmare, made worse by virtual addressing. Virtual addressing does in principle mean that all used memory can be mapped into a single area transparently, so that should not be an actual aspect of the "nightmare" variety. I have never heard of power-saving by powering down RAM either though, but I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt there. It makes no real sense to have to resume into applications if you have done nothing of significance that uses memory from that perspective then, it must be down to a bad optimization which has not been changed for whatever random reason.
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