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Jerry Manderbilt posted:I find it amusing that Dark Enlightenment thinkers make MTG cards for themselves. They never have a land value on them so I assume they're worthless. also his card quote is the first time I've seen one of these neo-reactionary types talk about consent outside an MRA rape apology rant
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I had a run-in not too long ago with someone that, while they not full-on DE (they were a self-professed communist), had the same weird admiration for autocracy and same conviction that democracy was a failed experiment. I made the mistake of arguing with them, and these were the main points that came up: -They were in favor of a strong social safety net, so I mentioned that most of the countries with those (included Scandinavia, Japan, Germany, France, the UK) were democracies. He said something to the effect of "Are they? Cuba isn't a democracy." and said that Japan and Germany didn't count because "their economies are due to collapse any day." -He brought up China as an example of superior governance, using the recent passing of their GDP over the US's as evidence. I brought up the Foxconn factory suicides, and he said that those were "exaggerated by the media, and Foxconn workers actually had a lower suicide rate than the Chinese population in general." I also mentioned the horrible air and the buildings that weren't likely to last more than 20 years, which he waved off with a vague "China is actually working on fixing those." -As an elaboration of the previous, he said that the problem with democracy was that "all the arguments create deadlock and nothing gets done." This was the reason he gave for the the US's economy fell behind China's. -He claimed that it didn't make any sense to point out the USSR's gulags, because the U.S.'s high incarceration rate and terrible treatment of its prisoners didn't make it any better. -I mentioned that autocracies often were plagued by hilarious wastes of taxpayer money, such as dictators' inauguration ceremonies that cost the entire nation's GDP. He said democracies weren't any better because they often wasted the taxpayers' money on military boondoggles such as the F35. -The subject of food insecurity came up. When I pointed out that, for all their faults, democracies tend to have much higher food security and much lower starvation rates for their people (even the US), he claimed that the data was unreliable because it was pulled from American governmental agencies. I just... holy poo poo.  How can someone have so many left-wing sympathies (he's made his outrage over American police brutality very plain, I should add) and still support the forms of government that machine gun people like him?
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Dec 28, 2014 23:28
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Polybius91 posted:I had a run-in not too long ago with someone that, while they not full-on DE (they were a self-professed communist), had the same weird admiration for autocracy and same conviction that democracy was a failed experiment. I made the mistake of arguing with them, and these were the main points that came up: You're acting like you've never talked to an actual communist party flak before. I've known plenty of people like this during my left-wing activism in Israel. I guess one of the few good things about the US is that you don't really have parties with serious presence who contain the same leadership which has spent years running apologetics for the USSR and such. Hell, some of them will unironically portray North Korea as a positive role model. (Notable in that camp is a famous though marginal Israeli activist who would come to each protest with a shirt featuring Stalin).
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Dec 28, 2014 23:33
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I used to work with a guy who was a self-professed fascist and the conversations were pretty much the same.
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Dec 29, 2014 00:10
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"Horseshoe theory" looking more and more like "spirograph theory" every day.
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Dec 29, 2014 02:02
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Did you know there's a direct correlation between the decline in Spirograph and the rise in gang activity? Think about it.
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neonnoodle posted:Did you know there's a direct correlation between the decline in Spirograph and the rise in gang activity? Think about it. What is the neoreactionary position on Spongebob Squarepants?
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Dec 29, 2014 16:07
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neonnoodle posted:Did you know there's a direct correlation between the decline in Spirograph and the rise in gang activity? Think about it. The repetitive geometric patterns of Spirograph are a mild form of self-hypnosis which relaxes and centers the mind and emotions.
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Dec 29, 2014 16:32
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AKA Pseudonym posted:I've been to Detroit and also made it out of Detroit. Didn't even seem like a big deal. I guess strength, courage, mastery, and honor just come easily to me. I live in Detroit. It's a nice enough place. gently caress this guy.
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CroatianAlzheimers posted:I live in Detroit. It's a nice enough place. gently caress this guy. But can you escape from it?!
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Dec 29, 2014 17:39
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I know Kurt Russel wants to make a comeback, but there's got to be a better way.
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Dec 29, 2014 17:43
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CroatianAlzheimers posted:I live in Detroit. It's a nice enough place. gently caress this guy. Whatever happened with that Robocop statue anyways?
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neonnoodle posted:I used to work with a guy who was a self-professed fascist and the conversations were pretty much the same. 
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Tracula posted:Whatever happened with that Robocop statue anyways? It's done, they're looking for a place to put it. It'll probably (hopefully) be up in a month or two.
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Harry Potter Becomes a Communist posted:"How do you know they were the Dark Ages?" asked Hagrid monarchically. "Were you there? Liberal democracy has every reason to portray itself as superior to the system which came before it. Maybe it was propaganda when the scary violence of the French Revolution was labeled the Enlightenment and the wonderful stability of the Habsburgs was labeled the Dark Ages. Maybe there was some enlightenment in the so-called dark times. That's why we call ourselves the Dark Enlightenment."
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Do you think the nazis seemed this pathetic when they tried appropriating vikings and poo poo, or is it more the face that these turds are using comfortable nostalgic avatars of their bourgeois childhood to style themselves the death of liberal democracy? Like, how scary can you be when you can't let go of your suburban home and how Dragon Ball Z helped you feel safe when you were a fat nerd who got bullied every day?
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Jan 13, 2015 20:16
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I also speak very monarchically.
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Jan 13, 2015 20:35
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"the stability of the Habsburgs"
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Tiberius Thyben posted:I also speak very monarchically. How does one speak monarchically? I imagine it's speaking like Brian Blessed, but I have a feeling he's not dark and serious enough for these people.
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MizPiz posted:How does one speak monarchically? I imagine it's speaking like Brian Blessed, but I have a feeling he's not dark and serious enough for these people. We use the royal we, of course. Polybius91 posted:Please, do elaborate FG expressed general admiration for Oswald Mosley and the British Fascists, and felt that the United States was ill-served by the democratic process. In his opinion, we would be better off with a powerful, charismatic dictator who would "get things done" instead of waffling around looking for consensus. With that in mind, I asked him his opinion of then-president George W. Bush. FG said he hated Bush because of the ways he had overstepped his power. 
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TinTower posted:
On the other hand, this suggests reading `the Dark Enlightenment' as `the Unproductive Enlightenment', which is eerily apt.
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Jack Gladney posted:Do you think the nazis seemed this pathetic when they tried appropriating vikings and poo poo, or is it more the face that these turds are using comfortable nostalgic avatars of their bourgeois childhood to style themselves the death of liberal democracy? You can compare the KKK's goofy names too. 'Grand Dragon'. 'Imperial Wizard'. The history of radical right thought is the history of ridiculous dorks.
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Jack Gladney posted:Do you think the nazis seemed this pathetic when they tried appropriating vikings and poo poo, or is it more the face that these turds are using comfortable nostalgic avatars of their bourgeois childhood to style themselves the death of liberal democracy? The Nazis were giant goons. Apart from his questionable taste in facial hair, Hitler delighted in the fact that 'Adolf' meant 'noble wolf', and did stuff like call his Eastern Front HQ the Wolfsschanze, or 'Wolf's Lair'. Goering kept making up super-special medals to award himself. Himmler created the Ahnenerbe, an organisation geared, in part, at weaponising magic. Rudolf Hess was a member of a bona-fide cult called the Thule Society whose beliefs appeared to be primarily based on Conan the Barbarian novels. They'd be hilarious if they weren't some of the most successful mass-murderers in history.
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Peel posted:You can compare the KKK's goofy names too. 'Grand Dragon'. 'Imperial Wizard'. The history of radical right thought is the history of ridiculous dorks. Organization and Principles of the Ku Klux Klan posted:Section 1. The officers of this Order shall consist of a Grand Wizard of the Empire and his ten Genii; a Grand Dragon of the Realm and his eight Hydras; a Grand Titan of the Dominion and his six Furies; a Grand Giant of the Province and his four Goblins; a Grand Cyclops of the Den and his two Night Hawks; a Grand Magi, a Grand Monk, a Grand Scribe, a Grand Exchequer, a Grand Turk, and a Grand Sentinel. You can't make this stuff up. Bonus points for not realizing that "Magi" is plural. Silver2195 has a new favorite as of 02:40 on Jan 14, 2015 |
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So is the Grand Turk the "black friend" of the KKK hierarchy? "No, it's cool, we can say n*****, my Grand Turk friend says its okay."
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Silver2195 posted:You can't make this stuff up.
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Self styled Col. Simmons who founded the second incarnation of the Klan was a giant loving dork who was way into secret societies of the time. He wasn't so much a member, but a nerd who read about them in books. Besides creating the above titles, he also created a secret language, he called Klanversation which was complete gibberish that is probably the 20s version of gamer/anime nerd speak. Dark Enlightenment dorks would fit perfectly in the Klan of this time, as its entire look, actions and motives were inspired by Birth of a Nation, which took its images from romanticized version of the UK. Bunch of social outcasts that latch onto popular culture to fill the void of their empty lives does kind of describe most fascist movement members doesn't it? Could be video games, Wagner or whatever.
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twistedmentat posted:Self styled Col. Simmons who founded the second incarnation of the Klan was a giant loving dork who was way into secret societies of the time. He wasn't so much a member, but a nerd who read about them in books. The fantasy monster titles actually come from the First Klan. The Second Klan ditched many of those titles but invented some even sillier terminology: Kloran, Klonversation, Klavern, Klavaliers... Silver2195 has a new favorite as of 03:07 on Jan 14, 2015 |
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Silver2195 posted:The fantasy monster titles actually come from the First Klan. The Second Klan ditched many of those titles but invented some even sillier terminology: Kloran, Klonversation, Klavern, Klavaliers... It's like Rare made a game about Donkey Kong's racist third cousin.
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Alien Arcana posted:It's like Rare made a game about Donkey Kong's racist third cousin.
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SubG posted:Welcome to the Order, initiate. You are a grand, uh...roll 2d10...a grand svirfneblin. "I rolled a two, what cool fantasy creature do I get to be? A Dragon? A Cyclops?" "No. Exchequer."
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Jack Gladney posted:Do you think the nazis seemed this pathetic when they tried appropriating vikings and poo poo, or is it more the face that these turds are using comfortable nostalgic avatars of their bourgeois childhood to style themselves the death of liberal democracy? Wasn't there some German author of plucky-kids-on-adventures books that lots of top Nazis were infatuated with?
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Jan 15, 2015 01:48
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In which the government printing money is bad, but saying who can have kids is good
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AKA Pseudonym posted:Wasn't there some German author of plucky-kids-on-adventures books that lots of top Nazis were infatuated with? Karl May, and Hitler made his generals read the books for the wisdom they contained: Albert Speer posted:Hitler was wont to say that he had always been deeply impressed by the tactical finesse and circumspection that Karl May conferred upon his character Winnetou ... And he would add that during his reading hours at night, when faced by seemingly hopeless situations, he would still reach for those stories, that they gave him courage like works of philosophy for others or the Bible for elderly people.
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The other day I watched the Jon Ronson documentary "The Secret Rulers of the World," and the more I look at all this crap the more it seems clear that it's just this week's flavor of the John Birch Society. "THE INTERNATIONAL BANKERS!!!" Who could that be...?
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DarklyDreaming posted:Karl May, and Hitler made his generals read the books for the wisdom they contained: In May's defense, he was also a favorite of Albert Einstein: quote:"My whole adolescence stood under his sign. Indeed, even today, he has been dear to me in many a desperate hour..." From what little I know about his work, he always tried to portray Native Americans sympathetically, and Hitler seemed to have missed May's messages about world peace and tolerance for other races. He hosed up as much as one would expect for a white dude writing in the latter half of the 1800s, especially when it came to what we see today as pejorative terms for ethnic groups, but he was head and shoulders above his contemporaries otherwise.
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Spoilers Below posted:In May's defense, he was also a favorite of Albert Einstein: I think that what Hitler must have loved about Karl May is how, say, Old Shatterhand could just waltz into the Old West and master it with the power of having sat down and read a lot of books. It must have appealed to a goony shut-in. I did read one of those books; they were popular in their Hebrew translation at some point. I vaguely remember it as kind of a bland Western with Old Shatterhand being an obvious Mary Sue; I didn't bother looking for another.
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The Karl May books were and still are legendary in Germany and you'll be hard-pressed to find anyone here who doesn't know about Winnetou and Old Shatterhand. There is this weird infatuation of many Germans with anything concerning Native Americans and the Old West, and it comes almost entirely from May's work - which is hilarious as the dude never even set foot in America. And yes, Old Shatterhand truly is the Mary Sue to end all Mary Sues - he is good in just about anything, kind, at with the ladies, a good friend and a pious Christian... That said, the books are still good fun and I loved reading them as a kid. Still do, actually.
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Hatred of the "international banksters" may be the glue that allows Occupy-types like Justine Tunney to jump over to the Dark Enlightenment. It's quite possibly one of the most obvious codewords for Jews going.
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Maybe I'm living in a fool's paradise but I think it's possible to be angry at Bank of America, Lehman Brothers, rich financial sector douchebags, etc, without it being code for antisemitism. Or is this like the thing where (some) Texans complain about "Canadians" on Facebook and "Canadian" is secret code for "black?"
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