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Time to poo poo ourselves, lads, the updated profiles are here!
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Jan 15, 2015 14:03
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Thanks mate, phones isn't letting me paste it. 19pt Bulleteers? 34pt Teutons? a 6-2 J'eanne, loving LOL. Flipswitch fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Jan 15, 2015 |
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Jan 15, 2015 14:11
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Has Atalanta always lacked Courage when all other Agema have it? Cowardly sniper.
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Jan 15, 2015 14:27
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WAR FOOT posted:Has Atalanta always lacked Courage when all other Agema have it? Cowardly sniper. If she's close enough to need it, you done hosed up.
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Jan 15, 2015 14:29
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Hm My Kamau hacker down 4pts, nice! Toni went down 5pts, because I didn't abuse her enough.
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Jan 15, 2015 14:49
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Auxilia FOs... 
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Jan 15, 2015 15:04
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JoshTheStampede posted:Auxilia FOs...
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Jan 15, 2015 15:19
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Ajax has an AP Heavy Pistol. 
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Jan 15, 2015 15:20
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WAR FOOT posted:Ajax has an AP Heavy Pistol. Achilles took a few changes too, here's a list for those curious. Gained Kinematika L2. Lost both Shotgun profiles. Lost 4 CC. Lost 1 PH. Lost 1 ARM. Multi Rifle profiles went down 7pts. Spitfire profiles went down 5pts. He had it coming admittedly when the Cutter and Avatar took a hit but he's still very, very good.
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Jan 15, 2015 15:33
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Does greyed out text mean something (assuming deleted profiles) or is it a formatting error? a number of Ariadna entries are greyed out. Most significant changes were mostly CC bumps on the Cateran, Wulvers and Cameronians. Cameronians went up 1 point though, only thing I can think of is grenade changes combined with phys 16. Or revaluation of certain ability costs. Weirdest of all Chasseurs got buffed without a points increase, they all have Multiterran now. I really thought they would take a hit. Virtually everything else is 1-5 points cheaper. Guess Now just waiting on rules for certain things
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Jan 15, 2015 15:59
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It's formatting error I believe, there's quite a few like it. Jaguars are linkable in Corregidor. Let that sink in.
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Jan 15, 2015 16:38
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Better. Thrasimedes is now linkable with.... Seed Soldiers 
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Jan 15, 2015 16:44
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Pierzak posted:Better. Thrasimedes is now linkable with.... Seed Soldiers That LSG tax is real baby.I never knew they were PH-9 though, holy cow that's bad.
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Jan 15, 2015 16:46
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Which will only make their shelf-warmer status permanent. No developed deployment? 14 pts for a basic troop when Unidrons and 14pt Vanguards exist? Nerf to Spawn Embryo? Haha, gently caress no. Also,  at no shotgun LT Aswang loadout. We've been missing the single most important model and best LT in sectorial for years, get another one (spitfire) in the meantime, one would think that making a new loadout is a no-brainer. Apparently CB doesn't.Still, there's a fuckton of changes for the better*, many sub-par profiles were recosted/rebalanced. I'll have to relearn list building. (*for humans)
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Jan 15, 2015 17:25
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yeah i'm running through the new Shas stuff with my buddy and I said CB dropped the ball on Seeds being wank still. The new HI prices are going to shake up MO quite a bit I think. Although I've noticed Magisters here are E. Impetuous whereas in the leak earlier on they were just regular Impetuous. Typo? misprint?
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Jan 15, 2015 17:29
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More likely a misprint in the original list, Haramakis are Ex-Imp too. ed: Also, paste the PDF link in the OP. Pierzak fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Jan 15, 2015 |
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Jan 15, 2015 17:30
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Pierzak posted:More likely a misprint in the original list, Haramakis are Ex-Imp too. Seed Soldiers are so bad they've changed the forums font.
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Jan 15, 2015 17:40
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Did you guys see that the Rasail guys have Nanoscreens? Plus their Chaksa buddies have Mimetism! I think they are going to be awesome.
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Jan 15, 2015 18:01
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Flipswitch posted:It's formatting error I believe, there's quite a few like it. Well, I am writing some CC army lists now [I do not seriously believe this to be a good idea]! I think the changes to Corregidor were pretty restrained. Minor points drops mostly. Jaguars AVA 5 and linkable is probably the biggest change, but AVA3 bandits is nice for infiltration specialists. On the mercenary front, glad to see everyone we have get cheaper, but even now Senor Massacre is probably a poor buy compared to Mcmurrough (or 2 jaguars and change) and Valerya Gromoz, while a personal favourite of mine, doesn't really bring anything special except a marker, which is admittedly a good upgrade. I feel like the stuff we had really going for us stayed stronger, and we have the chance to really play some warband shenanigans now. Everyone got cheaper combat remotes, but I do really like the Nomad ones and Corregidor gives them AVA2 across the board. There's a lot of stuff I'm glad got slightly cheaper, but isn't that sort of a false joy? I mean if everything in the game got cheaper, that just means games will be slightly higher model count or more elite, right? (still feels good though - wildcat HRL dropped 11 points, link team of firey death, here I come)
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Jan 15, 2015 18:44
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Flipswitch posted:Yeah Ajax looks loving gross. He's very good, and utterly not worth his points anymore. In a meta of 22-point haramakis, paying 75+ to bring a single guy that has +1 BS, Phys and ARM over the cheap dude is pointless. At least now that he has ARM 4 people should stop the "ALEPH doesn't need another TAG! They have Achilles!" derp.
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Jan 15, 2015 18:46
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Just a couple days ago I started playing proxy games with my friend, I'm fairly sure we're starting Yu Jing and Haqqislam respectively. We were getting a little burnt out on 40k and this game is just so loving tacticool out of control. I sort of am a really big fan of the ZUYONG~ heavy infantry models, is it viable to use those as a core to play the game from? I noticed they aren't resplendent in special rules and I'm wondering if that's going to be unviable? also: It seems like literally right now was the best time to get into the game.
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Jan 15, 2015 18:47
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Should we assume that any abilities that weren't updated for N3 function exactly like N2, e.g. viral weaponry?
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Jan 15, 2015 18:57
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Where does it expressly say that you use the larger camo markers? I'm not disputing it, I just can't find it.
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Jan 15, 2015 19:01
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Sephyr posted:He's very good, and utterly not worth his points anymore. In a meta of 22-point haramakis, paying 75+ to bring a single guy that has +1 BS, Phys and ARM over the cheap dude is pointless. Please tell me which cheap dude has 14 BS, 14 PH and 3 ARM. I want some of those. TwingeCrag posted:Just a couple days ago I started playing proxy games with my friend, I'm fairly sure we're starting Yu Jing and Haqqislam respectively. We were getting a little burnt out on 40k and this game is just so loving tacticool out of control. Also, look into Yan Huos (Zuyongs with TAG weapons and a non-ugly helmet). The first one should come out next month. plester1 posted:Should we assume that any abilities that weren't updated for N3 function exactly like N2, e.g. viral weaponry? Pierzak fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Jan 15, 2015 |
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Jan 15, 2015 19:03
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I don't know how I feel about the new profiles. A lot of things got changed for the better, but a shocking number of things didn't change that, well, probably kinda needed it. I guess we'll see how the meta shakes out.
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Jan 15, 2015 19:34
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Pierzak posted:Please tell me which cheap dude has 14 BS, 14 PH and 3 ARM. I want some of those. Here, have three Haramakis. Less than his cost, linked together for +1 burst and Sixth Sense, twice as many wounds, CC 23, 14 PH, ARM 3, can still take cover after a kill, and can even pack a B2 missile launcher to be truly multi-threat. Or if you don't like links, bring two Hospitalers. 1 more wound, BS 14, same BTS and armor, religious, better ranged weapon loadout.
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Jan 15, 2015 19:34
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Frankly, anything that moves further than 8" per order ought to be inefficient stat-wise because it heavily extends your threat bubble. You gotta pay for that alpha.
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Jan 15, 2015 19:49
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Corbeau posted:Frankly, anything that moves further than 8" per order ought to be inefficient stat-wise because it heavily extends your threat bubble. You gotta pay for that alpha. If that's the goal, I don't see it being consistent...or there at all. The Maguariba Guard is really fast and quite stat-efficient, and also cheap. The new 4-4 HI link teams can deliver -far- more devastating Alphas than any one-model Rambo ever could, with greater order efficiency and generating less AROs.
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Jan 15, 2015 20:03
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Sephyr posted:If that's the goal, I don't see it being consistent...or there at all. The Maguariba Guard is really fast and quite stat-efficient, and also cheap. The new 4-4 HI link teams can deliver -far- more devastating Alphas than any one-model Rambo ever could, with greater order efficiency and generating less AROs. HI link teams may move more models, but they don't extend the actual range. Indeed, they actually add some movement restrictions. TAGs have almost universally (wtf 6-6 TO Spitfire Sphinx) been nerfed in close quarters fighting, whether by HMG range band nerfs or loss of template weapons, so their rambo potential is much lower.
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Jan 15, 2015 20:20
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I think they are trying to encourage the Infantry + Tanks approach. Tags are there to do the assaulting of defended positions, and infantry need to be deployed to protect their flanks and such. As opposed to a Cutter/Avatar/Achilles just stomping up and going to town solo. They still can. But it will prolly be in turn three after two turns of maneuvering their support into position.
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Jan 15, 2015 20:27
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Corbeau posted:HI link teams may move more models, but they don't extend the actual range. Indeed, they actually add some movement restrictions. Not range, but order efficiency. Before, it took me 4 orders to bring my heavy guy 24 inches, or into the enemy deploy. Now it costs 3, and when linked, those orders mean 3-5 dudes there to party as well. And oddly enough, it seems that many TAGs kept their short-range weapons. Even cheap ones like the Iguana and the O-Yoroi still pack heavy flamethrowers. But the HMG change is so, so welcome.
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Jan 15, 2015 20:29
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Don't have time to read and decipher it, but did Ariadna get anything decent? Are Moblots OK now? 
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Jan 15, 2015 20:30
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Sephyr posted:Not range, but order efficiency. Before, it took me 4 orders to bring my heavy guy 24 inches, or into the enemy deploy. Now it costs 3, and when linked, those orders mean 3-5 dudes there to party as well. Right, and I'm saying that they're trying to nerf rambo range specifically. I'm surprised at the number of durable rambo platforms they've left with minimal changes (again, the Sphinx jumps out at me) but I feel like that's what they're aiming for. And however efficient a link team may be, and they certainly are barring drastic rule changes (which I don't see happening after how conservative CB has been with profile changes), impact templates are super efficient against them. Corbeau fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Jan 15, 2015 |
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Jan 15, 2015 20:32
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bhsman posted:Don't have time to read and decipher it, but did Ariadna get anything decent? Are Moblots OK now? You got the hideous Specnaz and Moblots got a significant discount and an engineer option, so yes.
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Jan 15, 2015 20:41
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Things that are legal in N3: my usual MO list, except that I get both the sniper and combat jumper and MSV2 Spitfire. Panoceania - Military Order | 12 models________________________________________________________ Combat Group #1  Teutonic Knight EXP CCW (44|0) Teutonic Knight EXP CCW (44|0) Konstantinos Inf (34|0) Order Sergeant TO FO (29|0) Order Sergeant MSV2 Spitfire (25|1.5) Fusilier ML (26|1) Fusilier HMG (19|1) Bipandra (24|0.5) Fusilier Lt (10|0) Indigo Combi (+1 wip, Hacker (Hacking Device), CH: Mimetism, Super-Jump) (10|0|12xp)Combat Group #2 Order Sergeant TO Sniper (39|1.5) Brethren BS (26|0)________________________________________________________ 330/300 points | 5.5/6 swc Warnings: too many points spent (330/300) open with Aleph Toolbox  : http://goo.gl/6Xc0TIJust gotta reserve a command token. Alternatively, get one less shiny but swap a Teuton for Joan and an extra Fusilier heavy weapon. Corbeau fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Jan 15, 2015 |
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Jan 15, 2015 22:23
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Can someone gve me the short version for ALEPH? I've been out of town on business.
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Jan 15, 2015 22:26
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Deviant posted:Can someone gve me the short version for ALEPH? I've been out of town on business. Aleph was an N3 faction already so little changed outside of mandatory weapon recosting and CC adjustments, Ajax got better, Achilles got nerfed, basic remotes changed like in other factions.
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Jan 15, 2015 22:29
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I wish some of their skills were in the drat rulebook 
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Jan 15, 2015 22:31
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S.J. posted:I wish some of their skills were in the drat rulebook Soon (tm).
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Jan 15, 2015 22:32
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Pierzak posted:You got the hideous Specnaz and Moblots got a significant discount and an engineer option, so yes. Are the Spetznas actually bad? They have such cool models, though.
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Jan 15, 2015 22:53
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