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Shaggar posted:stop using git Shaggar posted:the only thing that's good about git is it makes inexperienced developers stand out really well. it makes people with a good attitude who want to learn it stand out it's like a litmus test for go-getters willing to take on extra work for no productive, practical reason at all
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Garbd posted:git but is it a monad??
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git - the stupid content tracker
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Stringent posted:lol you're not even talking about git you're just ranting about ruby again MononcQc posted:You can get that one in git as: prosecution rests
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Jan 15, 2015 16:20
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if you want pretty graphs not from the command line just use sourcetree or does git have a web server that does that stuff like mercurial?
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Jan 15, 2015 16:33
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rotor posted:please explain the meaningful difference between the two in the context of "I need a particular jdk to build this revision of my product" if janet checked the build tools into source control, you have whatever binaries janet happened to use. the exact ones. whatever they are. god help you if you need to port to any platform that isn't identical to janet's workstation. and you can't really track the history of the toolchain -- you just have a bunch of git hashes and commit logs, version data has to be extracted by rooting around in the binaries. if you used a build system that specified its actual requirements, and stored your (immutable!) artifacts in a repository, you will get the meaningful version that the application requires. when the time comes to port from hp-ux to linux you are not up poo poo's creek, because that semantic version exists for multiple platforms in real life "whatever the gently caress janet was using on her workstation" might work out ok under ideal circumstances, but what you really want is "oracle jdk 1.7.0 patchlevel 25," so you can go fetch the correct package version for your platform from a write-once store. Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Jan 15, 2015 |
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Jan 15, 2015 16:45
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Space Whale posted:it's like a litmus test for go-getters willing to take on extra work for no productive, practical reason at all
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Jan 15, 2015 17:24
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:if janet checked the build tools into source control, you have whatever binaries janet happened to use. the exact ones. whatever they are. yes, that's what we want, thanks. your weird scenario where you'd suddenly need to go back and produce a build for a platform you never released on is super bizzare.
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Jan 15, 2015 17:37
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rotor posted:yes, that's what we want, thanks. he used linux and hpux as an example which means he's talking about some bespoke branch a customer paid $$$$ for and now they want to pay $$$$$ for a new upgrade
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Jan 15, 2015 17:42
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hardware upgrade of course. the app needs to not change at all
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Jan 15, 2015 17:43
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git needs better verbs, copying svn's verbs would've gone a long way to address issues people have with it, then using whatever special snowflake rebases or whatever
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Jan 15, 2015 18:08
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rotor posted:yes, that's what we want, thanks. yeah, if you're shipping whatever was built on janet's workstation, you're in more basic trouble. (but who hasn't done that in a panic at some point?)
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hobbesmaster posted:he used linux and hpux as an example which means he's talking about some bespoke branch a customer paid $$$$ for and now they want to pay $$$$$ for a new upgrade which means that it's a complete retest regardless and the fact that oracle says it's a certain version doesn't mean poo poo because who knows what the bugs that jdk on hpux has
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Jan 15, 2015 18:23
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but that just means more billable time!
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Jan 15, 2015 18:31
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if you're porting, you're not reproducing anything, because you've never done that build before. you're now establishing the build environment for that produced artifact, which you should probably save for later as well. What do you actually do in this situation?
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Jan 15, 2015 18:38
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rotor posted:yes, that's what we want, thanks. i would prefer to specify tool/binary versions in chef/puppet/ansible instead of checking them into source control but i got started with clearcase, and checking in binaries was sinful
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Jan 15, 2015 18:54
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prefect posted:i would prefer to specify tool/binary versions in chef/puppet/ansible instead of checking them into source control if you have a lovely tool that doesn't handle binaries well then yeah do what you gotta do
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prefect posted:i would prefer to specify tool/binary versions in chef/puppet/ansible instead of checking them into source control where does chef/puppet/ansible find them? go grab visual studio off Microsoft's site somewhere?
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Subjunctive posted:where does chef/puppet/ansible find them? go grab visual studio off Microsoft's site somewhere? ideally, you have an internal repository of binaries that you can get stuff from but yeah, those tools can go out and grab stuff to install
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Jan 15, 2015 19:27
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prefect posted:ideally, you have an internal repository of binaries that you can get stuff from sure hope Microsoft wants to distribute a version of their compiler/etc. as long as you want it. if you keep a copy internally, congrats, you're preserving the build environment. (programmatically grabbing and installing visual studio at least is hard, do you actually do this?) what do you do for operating systems? install from vendor media, hit some websites, run some installers? or save an image that's exactly what you want with everything in place?
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Jan 15, 2015 19:34
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Subjunctive posted:sure hope Microsoft wants to distribute a version of their compiler/etc. as long as you want it. if you keep a copy internally, congrats, you're preserving the build environment. (programmatically grabbing and installing visual studio at least is hard, do you actually do this?) microsoft distributes msbuild as a separate package, so that you can build stuff without visual studio. it can be a pain sometimes, but it's nice not having that giant thing on your build systems
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prefect posted:microsoft distributes msbuild as a separate package, so that you can build stuff without visual studio. it can be a pain sometimes, but it's nice not having that giant thing on your build systems right, but don't you still need the compilers? I thought msbuild was just the build/project driver.
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Subjunctive posted:right, but don't you still need the compilers? I thought msbuild was just the build/project driver. no, the compilers are in there, too. whole shebang although a lot of times developers will use visual studio-specific msbuild stuff in their projects. it's a mess
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prefect posted:no, the compilers are in there, too. whole shebang that's pretty great. does MSFT provide a reliable location to pull a specific version from as you bring up a build machine via chef or whatever?
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Subjunctive posted:that's pretty great. does MSFT provide a reliable location to pull a specific version from as you bring up a build machine via chef or whatever? i would like to think that they do, but you never know. i don't trust anything to last forever, so i try to keep a copy locally (past tense, actually, since i'm no longer in the windows building business  )
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Lmao at this git hate. SVN pre git sucked. I guess they fixed branching a little bit since then I dunno
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most documentation sucks. gonna out myself as a terrible programmer here. i was looking at angular ui, which has "states" rather than "routes". what is a state? i kind of know implicitly that it has something to do with different representations of the UI, but nowhere does it explicitly say. then there's "nested states". OK, I'm trying to imagine what that looks like. googling "nested states" shows mostly the angular ui docs. i found a pretty good slideshare about nested views where someone explains it in programmer language, but not one screenshot of what that actually looks like. i could give more examples and embarrass myself further but you get the idea. i wish documentation would just assume zero prior knowledge of a subject. in my experience some people don't have the ability to put themselves in the audiences shoes.
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PleasureKevin posted:most documentation sucks. A workflow of "What would I tell someone, now that I just made this thing, about how to use this thing in practice, if I was asked right now?" and writing down what you'd say seems obvious. But nobody does this. Why?
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PleasureKevin posted:most documentation sucks. angular is garbage
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Shaggar posted:angular is garbage i would not be disagreeing to say that it's better than most alternatives
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knockout.js is way way better and is actually mvvm. angular is like some weird hosed up pseudo-mvc, but only in so much as it has the words model view and controller in there somewhere.
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1. binaries in source control is fine. it's nice and good to be able to checkout trunk and immediately be able to build 2. clearcase is actually pretty good as a source control system as a user, it's just a pain as a sysadmin
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so here is where i am at. the place that was hiring me for that jr. developer/support janitor thing still hasn't sent me a job offer letter. i asked why last week, they said they needed "final budgetary approval" for it (which they claimed to have received) and i should have it by the end of this week but i still don't have anything. no start date, no salary, nothing. i'm not sure if they're stalling, jerking me around, or are just run by clowns. in the meantime, i got contacted by a recruiter today for a jr. c# developer position with a big financial company located in the same city that i was speaking to last month saying they wanted to bring me in for an interview. i'm not sure what to do!
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Jan 17, 2015 09:15
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why not go in for that new interview? seems like a pretty easy choice really
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~Coxy posted:1. binaries in source control is fine.
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fart simpson posted:why not go in for that new interview? seems like a pretty easy choice really yeah that would probably be the best option. i don't care what shithole wants to pay me $45k for a line on my resume, i just want it to be the ~right~ shithole.
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well i mean even if you still want to take the first job or whatever, what bad thing can happen because you did another interview?
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Luigi Thirty posted:or are just run by clowns. 9 times out of 10 it's this Luigi Thirty posted:in the meantime, i got contacted by a recruiter today for a jr. c# developer position with a big financial company located in the same city that i was speaking to last month saying they wanted to bring me in for an interview. i'm not sure what to do! do the interview
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