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DemeaninDemon posted:Acute observations by Nonsense. It was the most highly rated facebook post, so you know it was authentically American  I genuinely hope the sick leave thing can happen for so many especially this flu crazed season. I wish the federal employee part he did expanded to all Americans 
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420DD Butts posted:The only worry I have (and this doesn't change the fact that I support the move 100%) is that Republicans will use this as a way to whip non-federal employees into a frenzy over how "easy" they have life. Similar to the kind of arguments used to gut unions that worked to great success for a few decades in a lot of states. I hope this doesn't turn into a talking point for simply stripping these benefits instead of expanding them to all workers, and I hope Democrats come out hard in support of that before Republicans get a chance to control the narrative. They already think/can be made to think that.
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Ben Carson favors ISIS's political strategy over America's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0AiWdLBUbk
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computer parts posted:They already think/can be made to think that. Perhaps, but it hasn't been something you've really seen out of right-wing spheres for a long time. Really pushing this in the media before Republicans get a chance to do their righteous indignation circuit could do a lot to stymie popular outrage outside of Fox and friends.
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Jan 15, 2015 23:52
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420DD Butts posted:I hope this doesn't turn into a talking point for simply stripping these benefits instead of expanding them to all workers, and I hope Democrats come out hard in support of that before Republicans get a chance to control the narrative. I'd love to see Democrats get behind the message of improving our own private sector benefits to match or exceed the standard of federal employees, rather than "gently caress that guy who has it better than me." I know that's what I'll be pushing to people in my life and on social media.
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computer parts posted:Step 1: Give Federal Employees tons of benefits. I'm game. Alternatively have Obama set the Federal standard as the minimum standard. 
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420DD Butts posted:Perhaps, but it hasn't been something you've really seen out of right-wing spheres for a long time. Really pushing this in the media before Republicans get a chance to do their righteous indignation circuit could do a lot to stymie popular outrage outside of Fox and friends. For this specific regulation you also have to consider that it doesn't really effect anyone above the age of 35 or so (at least women). Most of the (elderly) conservative outrage is going to be limited to "back in my day we didn't have this" which is at best a well worn piece of rhetoric.
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That is a good point. I just worry because I know how effective conservatives have been at rallying support to gut the benefits of public employees in some states in the past.
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420DD Butts posted:The only worry I have (and this doesn't change the fact that I support the move 100%) is that Republicans will use this as a way to whip non-federal employees into a frenzy over how "easy" they have life. Similar to the kind of arguments used to gut unions that worked to great success for a few decades in a lot of states. I hope this doesn't turn into a talking point for simply stripping these benefits instead of expanding them to all workers, and I hope Democrats come out hard in support of that before Republicans get a chance to control the narrative. Man, as a public school teacher, I have to tell you, this is the only thing that people care about; how easy you have it. They've internalized a weird and terrible pride about how hard they slave, how few benefits they have, and how much they like it. They don't want ANYONE to have anything, unless it goes solely to them and the "right kind of people". This is going all to the "wrong kind of people".
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Jan 16, 2015 00:10
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Joementum posted:Ben Carson favors ISIS's political strategy over America's. So people in this thread are discussing movement politics in the 60's compared to today and the noticeable lack of modern charismatic civil rights, minority champions and here is a video of a modern minority leader parroting conservative talking points. It's odd to me that a lot of the most visible and vocal African-American heavyweights in politics today are in the conservative camp. What happened? Did capitalism co-opt them? Is it a reaction, over reaction, to seeing what happened to civil right's leaders that rocked the boat; they got shot? I don't expect an MLK to come along every generation but I'd at least like to see a Barbara Jordan.
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Quidam Viator posted:Man, as a public school teacher, I have to tell you, this is the only thing that people care about; how easy you have it. They've internalized a weird and terrible pride about how hard they slave, how few benefits they have, and how much they like it. They don't want ANYONE to have anything, unless it goes solely to them and the "right kind of people". This is going all to the "wrong kind of people". Isn't this one of the hosed-up parts of the American working culture? That you have to be a suffering, miserable wreck for you to have actually done "real" work and therefore 'earned' your way? Maybe with better benefits (like those comfy public sector types) they could turn that frown upside down.
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radical meme posted:So people in this thread are discussing movement politics in the 60's compared to today and the noticeable lack of modern charismatic civil rights, minority champions and here is a video of a modern minority leader parroting conservative talking points. It's odd to me that a lot of the most visible and vocal African-American heavyweights in politics today are in the conservative camp. What happened? Did capitalism co-opt them? Is it a reaction, over reaction, to seeing what happened to civil right's leaders that rocked the boat; they got shot? I don't expect an MLK to come along every generation but I'd at least like to see a Barbara Jordan. Some black folks figured that there's tons of money to be made reaffirming the worldviews of old white Republicans.
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America has a new Chairman of Natural Resources Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee.   quote:In this new role as the Natural Resources Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee Chairman, I plan to hold this administration's feet to the fire for the good of every household in America. This economy is ready to do amazing things if we loosen the death grip that this administration has had by using over 70,000 pages of new regulations each year. These power-hungry bureaucrats need to return the freedoms they have robbed from Americans, so Americans can make their own choices and save vast amounts of money they are currently spending on energy and taxes.
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radical meme posted:So people in this thread are discussing movement politics in the 60's compared to today and the noticeable lack of modern charismatic civil rights, minority champions and here is a video of a modern minority leader parroting conservative talking points. It's odd to me that a lot of the most visible and vocal African-American heavyweights in politics today are in the conservative camp. What happened? Did capitalism co-opt them? Is it a reaction, over reaction, to seeing what happened to civil right's leaders that rocked the boat; they got shot? I don't expect an MLK to come along every generation but I'd at least like to see a Barbara Jordan. I can think of a pretty prominent liberal black leader now, he lives in a fancy house even.
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Jan 16, 2015 00:26
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Joementum posted:America has a new Chairman of Natural Resources Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee. How is it that someone can say so much and mean so little? Jerry Manderbilt posted:Some black folks figured that there's tons of money to be made reaffirming the worldviews of old white Republicans. It is possible that people can believe things that are actually harmful to themselves and people like them. It's the same reason you see working class whites continually vote for people that want nothing but to destroy them for profit.
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I really don't want to have to pay for my own fire, police, roadways, schools, clean air, clean water, import inspection, food health inspections, water way maintenance, courts, weather monitoring, border protection... I also don't want to have to spend my entire day researching which exact toys are safe for my kids to play with, which water I should pay for because they have the best safety record, or the environmental impact of the things I buy. I really want to make sure that we have a centralized location that can help make sure things like the above are taken care of so I can live my life.
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radical meme posted:It's odd to me that a lot of the most visible and vocal African-American heavyweights in politics today are in the conservative camp. So this list of Republican African-American "heavyweights" includes Tim Scott, Mia Love, Ben Carson, and Michael Steele. And I'm being charitable with Carson and Steele. Do we need to mention Herman Cain here?
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Jan 16, 2015 00:31
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Joementum posted:So this list of Republican African-American "heavyweights" includes Tim Scott, Mia Love, Ben Carson, and Michael Steele. Apparently Black People in politics are only noticeable if they're conservative. Is Condeleeza Rice still a Republican or did she change like Colin Powell?
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Jan 16, 2015 00:36
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computer parts posted:I can think of a pretty prominent liberal black leader now, he lives in a fancy house even. That's not really the same though. Obama, Holder, Susan Rice, Cory Booker; they're all working within the restraints that come from being part of the two party system. They can't really throw rocks at the system or advocate for radical change like an MLK or Malcolm X. They are constrained by the limits of their office.
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Quote of the day, "Even if he didn’t win, if he had made Benghazi a bigger issue, I think we would have had a better chance." ~ political strategist Rudy Giuliani, on his foolproof plan for Mitt 2016.
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radical meme posted:That's not really the same though. Obama, Holder, Susan Rice, Cory Booker; they're all working within the restraints that come from being part of the two party system. They can't really throw rocks at the system or advocate for radical change like an MLK or Malcolm X. They are constrained by the limits of their office. Carson isn't advocating for radical change either, and he's running for president (probably) in 2016. There aren't really radical black leaders in general under the criteria you give.
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computer parts posted:There aren't really radical black leaders in general under the criteria you give. What about that New Black Panthers guy who Fox shows opening doors in Philly every four years?
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Joementum posted:What about that New Black Panthers guy who Fox shows opening doors in Philly every four years? Holder's People 
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forbidden lesbian posted:Is Condeleeza Rice still a Republican or did she change like Colin Powell? Thinking about it, I can't say for certain I've ever really heard her voice an opinion on domestic issues.
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Jan 16, 2015 00:42
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Joementum posted:So this list of Republican African-American "heavyweights" includes Tim Scott, Mia Love, Ben Carson, and Michael Steele. Yes, Cain. Clarence Thomas, Condeleeza Rice, J.C. Watts, Artur Davis and all the others that have in most instances gone after the conservative donor dollars. Where's the counter weights here? Cory Booker is slammed for his Wall Street connections and maybe rightfully so but, who else?
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radical meme posted:Yes, Cain. Clarence Thomas, Condeleeza Rice, J.C. Watts, Artur Davis and all the others that have in most instances gone after the conservative donor dollars. Where's the counter weights here? Cory Booker is slammed for his Wall Street connections and maybe rightfully so but, who else? Barack Obama 
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Woah, J.C. Watts. That's a good blast from the past. You forgot Alan Keyes, though. Whatever happened to that guy? Didn't he run for Senate?
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Joementum posted:Quote of the day, "Even if he didn’t win, if he had made Benghazi a bigger issue, I think we would have had a better chance." ~ political strategist Rudy Giuliani, on his foolproof plan for Mitt 2016. Benghazi? What's that, some sort of mixed drink?
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Joementum posted:Woah, J.C. Watts. That's a good blast from the past. You forgot Alan Keyes, though. Whatever happened to that guy? Didn't he run for Senate? He introduced the crazification factor, that's gotta count for something. I think other wingnuts have stolen his thunder.
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computer parts posted:Carson isn't advocating for radical change either, and he's running for president (probably) in 2016. Joementum posted:Woah, J.C. Watts. That's a good blast from the past. You forgot Alan Keyes, though. Whatever happened to that guy? Didn't he run for Senate? I'm merely lamenting the noticeable absence of modern liberal African-American leaders. I'm sure that someone will rise up in the near future to capture the imagination of young black voters but, I don't see that person presently. I'm not looking for radical as in Black Panther radical but more a leader for the times type of radical. Maybe they're out there now and they don't get any press because the conservative blow hards make for better press. edit: let me just add that the Democratic party needs to abandon the idea that black people will vote for a black person just because they are black or that Hispanic people will vote for a Mexican-American just because they are Hispanic. These politicians, including the Castro brothers and the Cory Bookers of the party, had better start giving these communities a reason to vote for them other the color of their skin. radical meme fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Jan 16, 2015 |
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radical meme posted:I'm merely lamenting the noticeable absence of modern liberal African-American leaders. I'm sure that someone will rise up in the near future to capture the imagination of young black voters but, I don't see that person presently. I'm not looking for radical as in Black Panther radical but more a leader for the times type of radical. Maybe they're out there now and they don't get any press because the conservative blow hards make for better press. Now that I'm back home, there's still John Lewis and James Clyburn, although they're getting on in years.
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I think you have a harder time finding younger black leaders now because anyone who's under 40 more or less grew up in Reagan's America, where things like the war on drugs really started hitting minority communities disproportionally and welfare queen became a thing.
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I'm not going to pretend that my personal story in any way resembles that of a young person of color, so I may be way off base here, but I have a hunch, a guess, that they may find more inspiration from Barack Obama and Eric Holder than crazy Dr. Carson. I guess we'll find out in twenty years if the Congressional Black Caucus starts speaking out against the rampant political correctness in our society and call for an end to egalitarianism.
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John Lewis probably doesn't have that many years left and that makes me horribly sad.
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joeburz posted:John Lewis probably doesn't have that many years left and that makes me horribly sad. He's only 74. In rich person years that's like 60.
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joeburz posted:John Lewis probably doesn't have that many years left and that makes me horribly sad.  With poo poo happening like the Voting Rights Act getting gutted by SCOTUS, we need him more than ever at a time when he's already an old man.
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America continues to be very racist in action if not in voice....drops in black household income, wealth, increased school segregation, etc. And it gets more dismissed because we have black president and people aren't flat out saying "we don't hire them negroes"
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420DD Butts posted:He's only 74. In rich person years that's like 60. He's not really rich. edit: VVVV and that. they took some nasty beatings back then, i thought he was TKO'd on one of the freedom rides too.
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420DD Butts posted:He's only 74. In rich person years that's like 60. Most rich people haven't had their skull beaten in with a nightstick though.
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