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Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010
It's a pity you've already made travel arrangements, my usual response for this kind of poo poo is :fuckoff:

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PaintVagrant
Apr 13, 2007

~ the ultimate driving machine ~
Thanks for the advice dudes. I am definitely leaning towards YJ or PanO because HI are loving cool. So are TAGS.

PanO has cooler looking TAGs and YJ has cooler looking HI. poo poo.

JoshTheStampede
Sep 8, 2004

come at me bro

PaintVagrant posted:

Thanks for the advice dudes. I am definitely leaning towards YJ or PanO because HI are loving cool. So are TAGS.

PanO has cooler looking TAGs and YJ has cooler looking HI. poo poo.

You are likely to play a lot more HI than you are TAGs. TAGs are cool and all but you will generally take 0 or 1 in any list unless you go out of your way to play multiples just for shits, whereas playing a list with 2, 3, 4 HI is totally doable.

TastyAvocado
Dec 9, 2009
Yu Jing are soon going to get an HI with giant shoulder-mounted tag guns soooooooo...

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.

JoshTheStampede posted:

You are likely to play a lot more HI than you are TAGs. TAGs are cool and all but you will generally take 0 or 1 in any list unless you go out of your way to play multiples just for shits, whereas playing a list with 2, 3, 4 HI is totally doable.

Gecko Squadron assemble! gently caress... now I want to buy nomads.

ps. Garuda Tacbot now has PH12 and costs the same as a sikh. My NeoTerra will celebrate tonight.

Comrade Merf
Jun 2, 2011
I really want to run wild on some fools with a full Suryat link. Morats have been getting lots of model love with the release schedule so I hope we get a unit box of em. Actually, seeing a unit box for HI besides PanO knights would be great.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Ive made an list.

NEOTERRAN CAPITALINE ARMY
──────────────────────────────────────────────────

GROUP 1 10 0 0

BOLT Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (22)
BOLT Hacker (Hacking Device) Boarding Shotgun, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31)
BOLT Lieutenant Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (22)
BOLT Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 25)
BOLT Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle + Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (26)
FUSILIER (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (14)
HEXA Spitfire / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (1.5 | 31)
DEVA (Multispectral Visor L2) Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 34)
DEVA Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 35)
GARUDA Tacbot Boarding Shotgun / Electric Pulse. (22)

GROUP 2 4 0 0

FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10)
FUSILIER Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (10)
SIERRA DRONBOT HMG, Antipersonnel Mines / Electric Pulse. (1 | 28)
FUGAZI DRONBOT Electric Pulse. (8)

6 SWC | 318 Points

Open with Army 4

Hortism
Oct 25, 2010

On a bit of a painting kick from some unrelated models so thought I may as well get some of my Shasvastii done.

Any opinions on how they've changed for n3? Not familiar enough with their old profiles to tell if there were any clear winnrs or losers.

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010

Hortism posted:

On a bit of a painting kick from some unrelated models so thought I may as well get some of my Shasvastii done.

Any opinions on how they've changed for n3? Not familiar enough with their old profiles to tell if there were any clear winnrs or losers.

N3 winners: Gwailos (BS buff, multi buff, HRL discount, everything cheaper), Speculo (shotgun loadout), Haiduk (way cheaper), M/T-Drones (cheaper, more useful), Medtech (more convenient 25mm base), Sphinx (apparently stronger with Stealth and FTF flamers?)
N3 losers: QQ-Drones (lost mines), Sheskiin (loses nanoscreen cover when impetuous), Aswang (internal synergy worse in N3, Dogged not healing), Seed-Soldiers (not improved = still poo poo)
Everything else stayed more or less the same.

Dulkor
Feb 28, 2009

I should really take a look at the Haqq list when I get home tonight. It'll be interesting to see how they've changed beyond light shotguns turning into something you'll actually use rather than a small point penalty.

Hortism
Oct 25, 2010

Thanks, will probably throw a few Gwailos on the painting queue

Corbeau
Sep 13, 2010

Jack of All Trades

Dulkor posted:

I should really take a look at the Haqq list when I get home tonight. It'll be interesting to see how they've changed beyond light shotguns turning into something you'll actually use rather than a small point penalty.

It feels so good. So good.

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010

Corbeau posted:

It feels so good. So good.

I can't really relate, but I think Ghulams finally not being overcosted (because rifle+LS is now often better than combi) is comparable to the Morat rule actually being useful :aaaaa:

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe
I see a lot of lists here using Army 4 - has it been updated yet?

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.

Z the IVth posted:

I see a lot of lists here using Army 4 - has it been updated yet?

Njet.

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...

Pierzak posted:

It's a pity you've already made travel arrangements, my usual response for this kind of poo poo is :fuckoff:

I get that. My continent's entire population is less than that of Texas, and there are two TOs. This guy and me. I just wanna play dolls. :sigh:

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
TO and play dolls!

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


Do not play this game while massively hung over it is impossible, after years I do not learn.

Played vanilla PanO for first time in years, double Croc Man is the poo poo.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.

Flipswitch posted:

Do not play this game while massively hung over it is impossible, after years I do not learn.

Played vanilla PanO for first time in years, double Croc Man is the poo poo.

It sucks that NeoTerra dont get crocmen :smith:

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


Would certainly be one way to give them infiltrating specialists, I love using Crocs, they're so loving good.

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...

DJ Dizzy posted:

TO and play dolls!
There is a surprising amount of poo poo to do when running a show for thirtyish people. If I could play AND TO, it would also raise certain questions if I did well.

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


WAR FOOT posted:

There is a surprising amount of poo poo to do when running a show for thirtyish people. If I could play AND TO, it would also raise certain questions if I did well.
You'd never get past round one is my experience, there's too many questions to answer and there's always a table that realises they've been playing rules wrong.

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...

Flipswitch posted:

You'd never get past round one is my experience, there's too many questions to answer and there's always a table that realises they've been playing rules wrong.

In four years of running this, there's inevitably at least five tables that don't comprehend that "Each model can carry ONE Tesseum, except Specialists, who can carry two!"

It seems pretty explanatory.

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


I remember last year (might've been year before?) we had someone who thought Minelayer meant he could throw mines 8 inches, speculatively.

I still don't understand where he had gotten that from, nor did he know about the 3 carry limit on equipment, I dread to think what things were like where he played.


E: The ALEPH tears over the Achilles nerf are amazing.

Flipswitch fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Jan 16, 2015

Corbeau
Sep 13, 2010

Jack of All Trades

Pierzak posted:

I can't really relate, but I think Ghulams finally not being overcosted (because rifle+LS is now often better than combi) is comparable to the Morat rule actually being useful :aaaaa:

My two favorite line infantry in the entire game, post-N3, are Ghulam Infantry and Morat Vanguard Infantry. Honorable mention to upgradable Unidron heavy weapons and 10-point BS12 Fusiliers.

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010
New mini gallery.

Comrade Merf
Jun 2, 2011

I love the new look and layout, hope they add the fluff blurbs back in .

Cyberpunkey Monkey
Jun 23, 2003

by Nyc_Tattoo
It seems only partially complete at this point, but it's really quick to scan through the whole catalog.

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010
I take back everything good I said about that page. 55 MB preloading, :wtc: because people don't browse on mobiles.

Cyberpunkey Monkey
Jun 23, 2003

by Nyc_Tattoo
My mobile is faster than my home's connection.

Corbeau
Sep 13, 2010

Jack of All Trades
Yeah, it takes for-loving-ever to load compared to the old one and each individual picture lacks labeling so good luck if you're looking for a particular unit.

It's terrible.

Cyberpunkey Monkey
Jun 23, 2003

by Nyc_Tattoo
I liked that I could scan through the whole range for a faction with one finger.

The Dark Project
Jun 25, 2007

Give it to me straight...
Hey, the Avatar lost it's Heavy Grenade Launcher. Well that's a step in the right direction. The Multi-HMG is still nasty, but at least he can't just sit back and bombard everything in sight from his own deployment zone.

Corbeau
Sep 13, 2010

Jack of All Trades
Revising potential lists.

code:
Name		Profile		SWC		Points

Combat Group #1

HUNZAKUT	FO		0		18
RAGIK		Hacker		0.5		32
GOVAD		HMG		1.5		29
GHULAM		Hacker		0.5		20
NAJJARUN 	Engineer	0		17
	NASMAT			0		3
GHULAM		Doctor		0		16
	NASMAT			0		3
NAFFATÛN	LFT		0		12
NAFFATÛN	LFT 		0		12
GHULAM		Rifle		0		12
GHULAM		Lt.		0		12

Combat Group #2

HUNZAKUT	FO		0		18
TUAREG		Sniper		0.5		33
SHIHAB		HMG		1		25
SHAYTANIYAH	SML		1.5		18
GHULAM		Hacker		0.5		20

TOTAL				6		300
The strange thing is that I'm not sure whether I even want the LFT Naffatun anymore now that Ghulams are so good.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Whats actually the difference between combirifle and normal rifle?

Corbeau
Sep 13, 2010

Jack of All Trades

DJ Dizzy posted:

Whats actually the difference between combirifle and normal rifle?

The Combi is +3 to hit at 0-8" while the regular Rifle is at +0 in that range bracket.

If you mean thematically, I don't really know. I assume it's more compact, being built with more advanced materials and processes.

jadarx
May 25, 2012

Corbeau posted:

The Combi is +3 to hit at 0-8" while the regular Rifle is at +0 in that range bracket.

If you mean thematically, I don't really know. I assume it's more compact, being built with more advanced materials and processes.

The fluff says it has improved recoil and shot optimization, improving it a short range. I thought in 2nd ed fluff it had a computer that made it act more like a shotgun at short range, hence it's short range bonus.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Ah okay. And light shotguns are actually usable now. Bolts are amazing. "What's that? 22BS at range 0-8? Eat lead CA scum"

Comrade Merf
Jun 2, 2011
What could they change about the Shasvastii Seed-Embryo deployment thing that would make it not bad? I did not notice any rules for it in the main N3 rulebook so I guess it was in one of the later books? Hope the FAQ they drop makes SE rule not such a disadvantage because I really want to start a Shasvastii army to go along with my Morats.

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Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010

Comrade Merf posted:

What could they change about the Shasvastii Seed-Embryo deployment thing that would make it not bad?
Give the option to start hatched, possibly for +1 point like Calibans have. It's fluffy but very situational, mostly for mindfucks and camo shell games.

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