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Assepoester: Jul 18, 2004; Can't post for 10 years!; Melman v2

Smythe posted:

also is this for real: there is a bluestacks client for chromeOS but not one for linux. debian nor fedora? am i reading this right?? am i gonna have2 run teh BlueStacks Windows Client in WINE ?????

Wait there's bluestacks for chromeOS? I can't find it in the chromeOS not-appstore.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 11:33

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# ? May 13, 2024 20:06

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE: Aug 1, 2004; whoa, what just happened here?; College Slice

pseudorandom name posted:

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-01/msg00171.html

tldr: emacs wants to pipe gcc IR into emacs do do all the things that libclang does, rms is delusional enough to still believe that people will attach their own proprietary language frontend to gcc's backend instead of just using llvm

lmao

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/181103

somebody put rms out of our misery already thank

god bless

# ? Jan 15, 2015 20:24

ChiralCondensate: Nov 13, 2007; what is that man doing to his colour palette?; Grimey Drawer

ruby idiot railed posted:

lmao

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/181103

somebody put rms out of our misery already thank

god bless

is it a moderated list? someone just reply "you're a turd, Richard"

# ? Jan 15, 2015 20:31

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2015-January/msg00000.html

# ? Jan 15, 2015 20:35

Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

Suspicious Dish posted:

https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2015-January/msg00000.html

delicious

# ? Jan 15, 2015 20:50

Illusive Fuck Man: Jul 5, 2004; RIP John McCain feel better xoxo ð ð; Taco Defender

today i wanted to print screen something. apparently this does nothing by default, so i had to install some kdegraphics package to use a snapshot app or whatever. later, i tried to open the file explorer (or whatever you want to call it) and surprise, it's been replaced with something called "gwenview". gwenview does not display anything except image files. as a file explorer, this is useless to me.

thats my linux on the desktop story for today

# ? Jan 15, 2015 22:17

SYSV Fanfic: Sep 9, 2003; by Pragmatica

My steam for linux bug is filling up with people who thought losing the entire contents of your home directory was a regular linux thing, so they didn't report any bugs.

Linux - you can expect to lose all your data

is what I am getting from this.

Lysidas posted:

good thing you have everything saved by a recent btrfs snapshot, right?

It was ntfs so I could actually use it on computers with software that doesn't delete all of your data.

# ? Jan 15, 2015 23:03

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

keyvin posted:

It was ntfs so I could actually use it on computers with software that doesn't delete all of your data.

but Linus says NTFS is poo poo because it's not case sensitive and that's the only right way for filesystems to be, and he knows more about operating systems and filesystems and source control than anyone because he wrote Linux

man I wish Prentice-Hall had made distribution of the MINIX-386 patch set easier back in 1990

# ? Jan 15, 2015 23:24

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

NTFS stores filenames as UTF-16 though whereas Linux poo poo stores filenames as byte strings that cannot contain ASCII '/' though

that's like literally the one thing that Windows gets right over POSIX.

# ? Jan 16, 2015 00:37

trilljester: Dec 7, 2004; The People's Tight End.

keyvin posted:

Lol, quality shell scripting there gabe.

steam.sh : 467
code:
        # Scary!
        rm -rf "$STEAMROOT/"*
I am jack's utter lack of checking that the environment variable is set before running that command.

I got burned by using variables like that in a shell script. They should be like this now: ${STEAMROOT}

Also, Fedora server is absolute trash, just like Fedora desktop.

# ? Jan 16, 2015 00:50

Maximum Leader: Dec 5, 2014

this year is not starting out great for Linux on the laptop at least, 3.18 broke my wifi

# ? Jan 16, 2015 00:57

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

fedora live cd refuses to boot from usb under kernel missing pretense
i cba, will try to linuxify my table after sleep

# ? Jan 16, 2015 01:00

Kirk: Sep 22, 2003

i laughed out loud at the steam problems itt

# ? Jan 16, 2015 01:03

pseudorandom name: May 6, 2007

Mr Dog posted:

NTFS stores filenames as UTF-16 though whereas Linux poo poo stores filenames as byte strings that cannot contain ASCII '/' though

that's like literally the one thing that Windows gets right over POSIX.

well, except for the fact that Unicode has changed multiple times since NTFS was created

Microsoft embeds the case folding tables in NTFS at filesystem creation time, though, Apple just mangles your filenames randomly depending on OS X version without notice.

# ? Jan 16, 2015 01:04

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

pseudorandom name posted:

Microsoft embeds the case folding tables in NTFS at filesystem creation time, though, Apple just mangles your filenames randomly depending on OS X version without notice.

source?

HFS+ uses a (pre-standardization, because it shipped before the standard) variant of Normalization Form D which, while a pain, is pretty well specified.

part of the point is that I could take a FireWire drive from my Mac Pro and plug it into my G3 running a circa-1998 version of MacOS 8 and still have access to all my files. (at least through an app that uses the HFS+ APIs)

Linus on the other hand evidently thinks users should just expect things to change between minor updates and backwards compatibility to be treated as a pipe dream

# ? Jan 16, 2015 01:23

pseudorandom name: May 6, 2007

OS X 10.3 switched from Unicode 2.1 decomposition rules to Unicode 3.2 decomposition rules.

This is documented in Apple Technical Note 1150, except Apple pulled that and the archived copies I'm finding are missing all the tables.

# ? Jan 16, 2015 01:55

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

pseudorandom name posted:

OS X 10.3 switched from Unicode 2.1 decomposition rules to Unicode 3.2 decomposition rules.

This is documented in Apple Technical Note 1150, except Apple pulled that and the archived copies I'm finding are missing all the tables.

thanks

so one time, 5 years after introduction, between OS major versions, and almost a dozen years ago at this point

sounds like mangling file names randomly to me!

# ? Jan 16, 2015 02:42

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

keyvin posted:

Steam for linux just recursively deleted everything owned by my user in the file hierarchy. Including the 3tb drive I use for backups.

lmao Linux is so bad

# ? Jan 16, 2015 02:43

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

keyvin posted:

Lol, quality shell scripting there gabe.

steam.sh : 467
code:
        # Scary!
        rm -rf "$STEAMROOT/"*
I am jack's utter lack of checking that the environment variable is set before running that command.

lol posix is poo poo shell scripts are the worst way to do anything

# ? Jan 16, 2015 02:45

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Shaggar posted:

lmao Linux is so bad

I'm Myth II

# ? Jan 16, 2015 02:48

There Will Be Penalty: May 18, 2002; Makes a great pet!

trilljester posted:

I got burned by using variables like that in a shell script. They should be like this now: ${STEAMROOT}

that would not have solved the problem

but it is a good practice i guess

# ? Jan 16, 2015 03:30

pseudorandom name: May 6, 2007

eschaton posted:

thanks

so one time, 5 years after introduction, between OS major versions, and almost a dozen years ago at this point

sounds like mangling file names randomly to me!

this means that if you created a list of file names prior to 10.3 and then either upgraded or moved the disk to 10.3, your software stopped working if the normalization rules for your one of your file names changed.

compare with NTFS and exFAT where the case folding table is stored in the filesystem itself at filesystem creation time and if you upgraded the operating system or move the disk to another system, everything keeps working.
(of course if you Zip it up or whatever and move it to upgraded NTFS, everything breaks, because NTFS is terrible. but less terrible than HFS+.)

# ? Jan 16, 2015 04:42

pram: Jun 10, 2001

ruby idiot railed posted:

lmao

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/181103

somebody put rms out of our misery already thank

god bless

i read all this poo poo and idk lol. hes so pathetic. and its incredibly sad all these dorks are typing novels at him trying to convince him when hes completely insane

quote:

Since LLVM and Clang are not copylefted, they invite nonfree extensions.
They are a gaping hole in the defensive wall around our city.

lol gcc is dead

# ? Jan 16, 2015 06:11

Phoenixan: Jan 16, 2010; Just Keep Cool-idge

pseudorandom name posted:

this means that if you created a list of file names prior to 10.3 and then either upgraded or moved the disk to 10.3, your software stopped working if the normalization rules for your one of your file names changed.

i think this is a decent punishment for using osx before 10.3

# ? Jan 16, 2015 06:29

du -hast: Mar 12, 2003; BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT GENTOO

pram posted:

i read all this poo poo and idk lol. hes so pathetic. and its incredibly sad all these dorks are typing novels at him trying to convince him when hes completely insane

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]

also:

Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.
Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.

im the non-free-of-charge equals denial of freedom

# ? Jan 16, 2015 06:30

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

I'm the Ekiga softphone, a project that's been dead for over six years.

# ? Jan 16, 2015 06:31

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

du -hast posted:

quote:
Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.
Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.

im the non-free-of-charge equals denial of freedom

no, he actually means it's not copyleft

# ? Jan 16, 2015 06:43

carry on then: Jul 10, 2010; by VideoGames
(and can't post for 10 years!)

ah yes, noted upholder of freedom and privacy, the phone system

# ? Jan 16, 2015 07:02

pram: Jun 10, 2001

Suspicious Dish posted:

I'm the Ekiga softphone, a project that's been dead for over six years.

lmao

# ? Jan 16, 2015 07:04

du -hast: Mar 12, 2003; BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT GENTOO

# ? Jan 16, 2015 07:17

Last Chance: Dec 31, 2004

lol

# ? Jan 16, 2015 07:18

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003

Cardboard Box A posted:

Wait there's bluestacks for chromeOS? I can't find it in the chromeOS not-appstore.

oh, i might have been wrong. kinda looked like it here: http://www.bluestacks.com/technology.html
but i guess not. sorry. i thnk it woud be cool if android apps ran natively in chromeos tho. its kind of a clusterfuck tho.

i put android x86 in virtualbox in an effort to make janitoring my works instagram faster and its all hosed up. teh app forces the screen portrait, and if u use another ap to stop it from forcing it, it truncates the screen and theres poo poo u cant click. its all hosed up.

# ? Jan 16, 2015 07:22

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

du -hast posted:

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]

also:

Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.
Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.

im the non-free-of-charge equals denial of freedom

I'm the guy who's worried about being spied on but prefers ordinary phone calls over encrypted voip

# ? Jan 16, 2015 11:23

SYSV Fanfic: Sep 9, 2003; by Pragmatica

Just got a "Sorry about all your stuff, let me tell you about bitcoin" email.

# ? Jan 16, 2015 12:30

Workaday Wizard: Oct 23, 2009; by Pragmatica

postit

# ? Jan 16, 2015 12:44

SYSV Fanfic: Sep 9, 2003; by Pragmatica

quote:

Hi Keyvin,

Apologies for the e-mail out of the blue. I didn't want to spam the GitHub issue with non-constructive information (though I see others are doing that already, which is a shame), so I thought e-mail would be a better medium for this.

I wanted to commend you your calm and collected demeanour with which you wrote your steam-for-linux bug report, and I would like to offer you "a beer" via ChangeTip to show my gratitude: (I'll explain ChangeTip at the end of the e-mail)

I imagine that if if I were in your shoes and Steam nuked my files, I probably would not be so calm, and might find it difficult to write a coherent bug report - if I managed to track the issue down to Steam at all. Your bug report however is very clear, and as a result the first response to the report actually tracked down the issue to a line of code.

I fear you're probably not the first victim to this bug, but you're certainly responsible for alerting Valve to it and getting it fixed (when Valve get around to that). I've no doubt that if left unreported, a lot of people would lose a lot of important data due to this bug (Oh will somebody think of the innocent data!), so I'd like to offer my personal thanks for the bug report (as an [enthusiastic] user of Steam).

Now, about that "beer". The URL above is to a service called ChangeTip, which is a bitcoin tipping service. The whole point of the service is for users to reward other users (and non-users, via social websites or privately - like this e-mail), for whatever reason. I have sent you "a beer" via ChangeTip, which is set to $3.50 worth of bitcoins - currently 16,025.63 μBTC (micro-bitcoins, also referred to as 'bits'). To redeem it you will have to set up a ChangeTip account, which the URL above will walk you through. You can keep the bitcoins in ChangeTip and use them to tip other people in the future, or (this will require reading up and learning about bitcoin) withdraw the bitcoins to your personal wallet to either buy things with bitcoin, or sell the bitcoins for fiat-currency (USD, GBP, EUR, ...) - whatever you use).

I appreciate that you might not be interested in Bitcoins at all, or may not want to sign up for ChangeTip, and that's totally fine. If unclaimed, the tip will be returned to me in a few days (I think the limit is 7-days), but the beer is there if you want it!

Again, thank-you very much for your great bug report!

Kind regards,

Redacted the address. Also, it made it to the front page of hacker news, and is being called the new bumblebee.

# ? Jan 16, 2015 13:20

Sassafras: Dec 24, 2004; by Athanatos

Sassafras fucked around with this message at 10:08 on Jan 22, 2015

# ? Jan 16, 2015 13:25

SYSV Fanfic: Sep 9, 2003; by Pragmatica

Sassafras posted:

Send him a similarly styled reply introducing him to a service called PayPal that lets you send real money to someone else's email address.

My parents taught me it was wrong to play with the intellectually disabled.

# ? Jan 16, 2015 13:41

pram: Jun 10, 2001

lol. let me buy you a virtual beer , with open source (free like freedom, not beer, although your virtual beer will be free in the beer sense ;D) cryptocurrency

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cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

yay for non-freedom-denying beer

# ? Jan 16, 2015 17:20

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