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Luigi Thirty posted:In a 5-4 decision, Hoping for a 6-3 with Roberts joining the pro-gay marriage side for maximum tears.
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Kobayashi posted:Just got a breaking news alert that the Supreme Court is going tot take up SSM. Here we go. This will either result in Conservative Tears or ruin the United States justified bigotry.
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Luigi Thirty posted:In a 5-4 decision, I can't wait for Scalia to walk back all the poo poo that the lower courts have quoted him on when they made SSM legal because he didn't have the gays in mind when he wrote them.
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Teddybear posted:Crossposting from my post in the marriage thread:  Hopefully a schadenfreudegasm on the way. Except Luigi Thirty posted:In a 5-4 decision,
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Really hoping for Scalia to get so pissed off with losing that he resigns after reading his dissent.
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Shifty Pony posted:Really hoping for Scalia to get so pissed off with losing that he resigns after reading his dissent. Dream bigger. A stroke, maybe.
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I'm hoping someone will have found his phylactery before a decision gets made.
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Jan 16, 2015 21:48
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They killed DOMA on a 5-4.
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Luigi Thirty posted:http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/fox-news-hosts-outraged-at-the-thought-of-letting-sick-workers-stay-home/ Does... does she not know what sick days are?
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John Boehner uses Taylor Swift gifs to go after Obama's free college plan on his government website.
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A Winner is Jew posted:I can't wait for Scalia to walk back all the poo poo that the lower courts have quoted him on when they made SSM legal because he didn't have the gays in mind when he wrote them. All of the quotes in lower courts were his dissents saying "the majority is trying to pretend they're not mandating gay marriage but they're lying". He'll crow that he was right.
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quote:the training sites, which will be in Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar. They won't be in Syria.
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Luigi Thirty posted:http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/fox-news-hosts-outraged-at-the-thought-of-letting-sick-workers-stay-home/ quote:According to the Washington Post, a study last year of Connecticut’s expanded paid sick leave law showed that employers saw little impact on their overall expenses, with 15 percent reporting increased productivity and 30 percent seeing a notable improvement in employee morale. A year and a half after the law went into effect, more than three quarters of employers were supportive of it. Fox still hate it.
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Quidam Viator posted:No, and that's why we have never taught conversational Latin. The defense of Latin in the modern, test-based curriculum is ridiculously easy: my students experienced a 150-200 point increase on average between their PSAT and SAT scores, having controlled as best we can for other variables. A well-taught, pre-Common Core Latin class should be like a second, very intensive English vocab and grammar course. The kids learn all those terrible $5 words, all the cool Greek and Roman word roots, and they read complex grammar and complex sentences every day. Just by loving osmosis, they should be picking up the parts of English that standardized test writers LOVE to hammer kids with, and which a standard-track English track simply can't cover. First, I am pretty sure that the "150-200" point increase you've found is an artifice of sample selection rather than an independent effect of taking Latin. Because otherwise you should consider opening up your own sat prep school, because outside of demographic/family background variables I am sure the existing literature has never found anything to have an impact of sat scores of that magnitude. Second, it seems a bit contradictory to complain about standardized curriculum and then use a standardized test as an argument for that.
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You missed a critical part there: quote:Rear Adm. John Kirby said the U.S. will send several hundred trainers and probably an equal number of support troops, including security teams, to the training sites, which will be in Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar. The exact number of U.S. troops to be sent on the mission has not been finalized, he said, but it could top 1,000. So we're sending troops to Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar to train Syrians. Not sending troops to Syria. efb!
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joeburz posted:Fox still hate it. Fox (as with most right-wing Americans) tends to look at anything that's been successfully implemented in other countries and just pretends that they never existed.
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evilweasel posted:All of the quotes in lower courts were his dissents saying "the majority is trying to pretend they're not mandating gay marriage but they're lying". He'll crow that he was right. Way to crush my hopes and dreams man. 
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ReidRansom posted:Dream bigger. A stroke, maybe. No I want him to have to live out the rest of his days with the knowledge that gay and lesbians couples are happily married in the United States of America.
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chitoryu12 posted:Fox (as with most right-wing Americans) tends to look at anything that's been successfully implemented in other countries and just pretends that they never existed. Or they're working but at great cost to Job Creatornidus, Patron Saint of Work.
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duz posted:Does... does she not know what sick days are? No, you see, why should an employer pay an employee to not show up? And if you're not dying you show up anyway because that's what Real Americans do. anonumos posted:The only benefits I got from Latin was knowing a LOT more about English grammar than anyone ever should and learning a lot of history and philosophy of the Roman empire. I do not regret taking Latin, if only for the joy of translating excerpts of the Metamorphosis (basically, reading Roman pornography in the original prose). Where's my 50 Shades of Gray translation?
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Shifty Pony posted:No I want him to have to live out the rest of his days with the knowledge that gay and lesbians couples are happily married in the United States of America. Hmm, I guess that is better.
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We've had troops in Syria for a while now. 
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Luigi Thirty posted:No, you see, why should an employer pay an employee to not show up? And if you're not dying you show up anyway because that's what Real Americans do. "L Shades of Gray" just doesn't have the same ring to it.
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Shifty Pony posted:No I want him to have to live out the rest of his days with the knowledge that gay and lesbians couples are happily married in the United States of America. I'd like him to do it where he has no influence on anything.
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Mitt Romney will speak at tonight's RNC event aboard the USS Midway. He will arrive by helicopter.
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comes along bort posted:Was his private jet not cleared to land? His car elevator was broken.
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It's nice that he gets to visit one now after only finding out that they existed a couple years ago.
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joepinetree posted:First, I am pretty sure that the "150-200" point increase you've found is an artifice of sample selection rather than an independent effect of taking Latin. Because otherwise you should consider opening up your own sat prep school, because outside of demographic/family background variables I am sure the existing literature has never found anything to have an impact of sat scores of that magnitude. No, I also worked for 6 years doing test prep for the Princeton Review, and got similar increases. Like it or not, the SAT and ACT are threshold guardians for college admittance, and they rely highly on a bunch of really inauthentic, terrible tricks. I know what they are, and using my decade of teaching experience along with my test prep experience, I can customize a course to create those results consistently. Those results are over 3 years, given an approximate 100 student sample per year. Like any kind of educational "research", the truth is that you can never get a truly representative sample because such a thing does not exist: these are minors, students, children, not loving widgets or statistical results in loving engineering. I know very well that I am able to produce those results with Latin vs. Spanish students (the only two foreign language options in my school) because I am teaching in a college-prep oriented school, and my Princeton Review classes were composed of students motivated in some way to improve. Your sarcastic bullshit about opening an SAT prep school shows nothing except your lovely attitude and your stupid loving assumptions about the "existing literature". I know very well, having taught in inner-city schools and extremely rural, poor schools as well, that I could not generate those gains with a different population. That's the difference betweeen me and you and the other non-professional educators who claim to know poo poo from shinola: I have actually worked in the field, teaching and researching. You just make lovely assumptions and off-handed accusations about how my results are a lie. I am not using the SAT as a defense for my program. I am using the SAT as defense for teacher freedom and as a direct attack against a standardized curriculum that CLAIMS to produce the kind of results that I can produce by doing the opposite things that I do. It fails consistently. Only an inspired, committed teacher, aware of his local school, district, and population, with the help of good administration, parents, and school board, can consistently produce the kinds of results I produce. It took me seven years of teaching in D and F schools to land a position where I COULD make that kind of difference. And yes, that few hundred points on the verbal sections of the SAT has likely made many of my students' college aspirations come true. That's my job.
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Joementum posted:Mitt Romney will speak at tonight's RNC event aboard the USS Midway. He will arrive by helicopter. Will he salute his guard?
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Shifty Pony posted:No I want him to have to live out the rest of his days with the knowledge that gay and lesbians couples are happily married in the United States of America. I'm going to force him to marry Clarence Thomas
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Quidam Viator posted:No, I also worked for 6 years doing test prep for the Princeton Review, and got similar increases. Like it or not, the SAT and ACT are threshold guardians for college admittance, and they rely highly on a bunch of really inauthentic, terrible tricks. I know what they are, and using my decade of teaching experience along with my test prep experience, I can customize a course to create those results consistently. Those results are over 3 years, given an approximate 100 student sample per year. Like any kind of educational "research", the truth is that you can never get a truly representative sample because such a thing does not exist: these are minors, students, children, not loving widgets or statistical results in loving engineering. I know very well that I am able to produce those results with Latin vs. Spanish students (the only two foreign language options in my school) because I am teaching in a college-prep oriented school, and my Princeton Review classes were composed of students motivated in some way to improve. So you're saying you run a latin class like a test prep class and then get smug about how good latin is at test prep? Did you teach those other kids Spanish? Did you bring out the skeleton and teach the spanish classes all the words in spanish for the muscles and bones? Because if you didn't, you haven't even come close to "accounting for the variables." Just because a good teacher can make a class good doesn't mean the subject is nearly as valuable as the teacher.
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Trabisnikof posted:So you're saying you run a latin class like a test prep class and then get smug about how good latin is at test prep? Generally, you'll find more latin words than spanish words on standardized tests. Knowing your latin is more likely to help in obtaining a correct answer for an unrecognized word than knowing your spanish.
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Trabisnikof posted:So you're saying you run a latin class like a test prep class and then get smug about how good latin is at test prep? Dude, I'm not sure if you knew this, but those kids who go to medical school? They don't use Spanish names for muscles. They use the scientifically standard names, like "Latissimus dorsi", the "most lateral, or widest" "of the back". Latin IS the language of biological nomenclature, anatomy, law, and a million other technical fields. I make no claims about anything in general because I am a teacher who actually understands education, unlike you. No general claims can be made about "accounting for the variables", which is why educational research is called "action research": We start knowing that our research can only tell a story about our local situation, and cannot be generalized to other populations. The proof of a good teacher is the ability to work with students to define collaboratively what success is, and then help them achieve those goals, which will vary massively from school to school. And with that, I'm going to attempt to stop this derail, since this is no longer about politics, and more about non-educators telling an educator about how his profession works.
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It's more about you being butthurt over common core but yeah its a derail.
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Joementum posted:It's nice that he gets to visit one now after only finding out that they existed a couple years ago. God just seeing that makes me smile remembering how insanely sick of a burn that whole exchange was. You don't normally get to call something in a debate a "sick burn" without being obviously hyperbolic but that was an exception for the ages. Any worse and it would have just been "look motherfucker nobody has used battleships for a hundred years" which it pretty much was, just sanitized for the virgin ears of America.
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Quidam Viator posted:Dude, I'm not sure if you knew this, but those kids who go to medical school? They don't use Spanish names for muscles. They use the scientifically standard names, like "Latissimus dorsi", the "most lateral, or widest" "of the back". Latin IS the language of biological nomenclature, anatomy, law, and a million other technical fields. You are either trolling, lying, or trying to universalize a very limited experience. The vast majority of the world's academics are more likely to know the german than the latin nomenclature or most of these things and moved past latin nearly a century ago. quote:Generally, you'll find more latin words than spanish words on standardized tests. Most of the terminology taken from latin is modern and somewhat clunky by the standards of latin itself.
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Joementum posted:It's nice that he gets to visit one now after only finding out that they existed a couple years ago.  But Mr. President, the aircraft carrier gap.....
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