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Popular Thug Drink posted:based on other people's descriptions of him, he fits all the criteria. he had no friends, did not socialize, did not have facial expression, showed little emotion, talked oddly, dressed like a slob, read tons of books about generaling to the exclusion of everything else, slavishly devoted to a legalistic interpretation of the rules, seemed to completely lack empathy, etc. Jefferson had a bangmaid while not being a reclusive artist, doesn't sound like being on the spectrum at all.
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Jan 16, 2015 22:43
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R. Mute posted:which ideas, specifically? the only thing i know about him is what the war nerds keep posting in this thread nationalism,, federalism, the "inevitability" of war and destruction.
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Jan 16, 2015 22:44
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R. Mute posted:i'm watching the man in the high castle pilot and i know it's just a pilot and all but drat guys this babby's first cgi is distracting. like, you can shoot the foreground in a studio at least If it's any consolation i think they used up all their cgi budget for the pilot. It was a bit goofy tbh
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Jan 16, 2015 22:44
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joeburz posted:Jefferson had a bangmaid while not being a reclusive artist, doesn't sound like being on the spectrum at all. jefferson was socially awkward, hated public speaking, didn't leave the house much and had a comfort animal. he tinkered with monticello obsessively for decades. he designed the carvings on the mantlepiece to like ten decimal degrees of precision, that's some ullillillia poo poo right there
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Jan 16, 2015 22:45
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euphronius posted:nationalism,, federalism, the "inevitability" of war and destruction. Yeah and he was right.
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Jan 16, 2015 22:46
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Popular Thug Drink posted:he tinkered with monticello obsessively for decades. he designed the carvings on the mantlepiece to like ten decimal degrees of precision, that's some ullillillia poo poo right there Monticello is ugly as gently caress.
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Jan 16, 2015 22:47
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This does not go into any of that crazy poo poo.
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Jan 16, 2015 22:48
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Also Sherman was a war criminal you yankee scum
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Jan 16, 2015 22:48
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"All war is a crime" ~ some guy on The West Wing
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Jan 16, 2015 22:48
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Jagchosis posted:this conversation was resolved thousands of years ago hannibal himself had a huge nerdboner for pyrrhus for some reason. I have never understood Pyrrhus's sterling reputation considering his whole career was just carpetbagging around the med, starting and then narrowly losing wars with whoever he could find epeirots: the Buffalo Bills of the ancient world Disinterested posted:Monticello is ugly as gently caress. UVA is pretty as hell though. Too bad it is inhabited by UVA PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Jan 16, 2015 |
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Jan 16, 2015 22:49
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:Also Sherman was a war criminal you yankee scum eh the worst thing he did was permit freedpersons to tag along with him knowing that he wasn't capable of feeding or protecting them while also pursuing his mission i mean like a little lovely, but not really
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Jan 16, 2015 22:50
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Sherman actually left receipts for everything he destroyed. Also: Crazy Horse was probably a better cavalry commander than anyone in the Civil War on either side.
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Jan 16, 2015 22:51
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I thought NB Forrest was held to be a top calvary mans.
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Jan 16, 2015 22:52
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little bighorn is one of my fav. battles custer's all "here's the plan. i'm going to split my forces into a bunch of little units and send them all over the place. them i'm going to take me and six of my blood relatives and like 1/10th of my dudes and we're going to ride straight at that huge pissed off indian camp over there" zoux posted:I thought NB Forrest was held to be a top calvary mans. he was, also stuart and sheridan were good but crazy horse was baller
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Jan 16, 2015 22:53
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zoux posted:I thought NB Forrest was held to be a top calvary mans. Forrest and J.E.B. were both fucks. Forrest was a competent gently caress. I'm a fan of John Buford. I like to imagine foppish southern cavalrymen popping their monacles at the vulgarity of using dragoons PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Jan 16, 2015 |
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Jan 16, 2015 22:55
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zoux posted:I thought NB Forrest was held to be a top calvary mans. He got a huge postwar boost to his reputation for founding the KKK, but there was the time when he led two regiments of cavalry against two infantry companies defending a railroad crossing and lost miserably.
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Jan 16, 2015 22:56
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Popular Thug Drink posted:little bighorn is one of my fav. battles And then his XO managed to avoid hearing the battle until it was all over bar the shouting.
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Jan 16, 2015 22:57
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General pershing was a visionary, he invented a number of anti muslim memes we still have today. He also founded a fruity club for rifle twerling and poo poo
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Jan 16, 2015 22:58
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pointing out hideous mistakes from civil war generals isn't that illustrative given the rock bottom standards of the war gotta have like a three strikes rule
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Jan 16, 2015 22:58
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:Also Sherman was a war criminal you yankee scum Should have hanged more plantation owners
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Jan 16, 2015 22:59
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:Also Sherman was a war criminal you yankee scum paragon1 posted:Should have hanged more plantation owners https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-dzCt2xeSo
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Jan 16, 2015 23:00
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So why was US Generalship so bereft in the ACW?
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Effectronica posted:And then his XO managed to avoid hearing the battle until it was all over bar the shouting. Tried and true method of receiving a battlefield promotion zoux posted:So why was US Generalship so bereft in the ACW? Most of the Regular army officer corps was southern pre-war.
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Jan 16, 2015 23:00
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euphronius posted:nationalism,, federalism, the "inevitability" of war and destruction. kustomkarkommando posted:If it's any consolation i think they used up all their cgi budget for the pilot.
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Jan 16, 2015 23:00
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zoux posted:So why was US Generalship so bereft in the ACW? because leadership roles are handed out by seniority rather than skill and most of the dudes that learned poo poo in the mexican war fought for the confederacy
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Jan 16, 2015 23:01
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zoux posted:So why was US Generalship so bereft in the ACW? this was before the era of what we might call 'professionalism' in war leadership. like the prussians had JUST invented the concept also prior to WW2 the military generally stayed pretty small except in wartime so your cadre of maybe a handful of decent generals is enormously diluted by civilian soldiers, back in the day when just buying a bunch of guns and uniforms and showing up with your own homebrew unit got you at least a colonel's hat also yeah most of the US's good generals decided to go fight for the south, and lincoln basically had to just test out dudes and fire them until he found one (grant) that didn't suck boner confessor fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Jan 16, 2015 |
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Jan 16, 2015 23:02
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So the CSA having the better officer corps isn't nostalgic southern bullshit
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Jan 16, 2015 23:02
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zoux posted:So the CSA having the better officer corps isn't nostalgic southern bullshit the south did have better generals, but they weren't better enough to make a meaningful difference while the union was fumbling around in 1861/2 constantly tripping over its own feet the south just had to maintain a baseline standard of adequacy to not lose the war
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Jan 16, 2015 23:04
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zoux posted:So the CSA having the better officer corps isn't nostalgic southern bullshit yes and no, the union had good officers as well, they just had a whole lot of morons to shitcan first
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Jan 16, 2015 23:04
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Popular Thug Drink posted:pointing out hideous mistakes from civil war generals isn't that illustrative given the rock bottom standards of the war Well, we also have Tupelo and Wilson's Raid and Third Murfreesboro, so...
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Jan 16, 2015 23:06
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zoux posted:So the CSA having the better officer corps isn't nostalgic southern bullshit Well, CSA had a more experienced officer corps, who often slept with each other pre-war, organized around a cohesive agenda with strong incentives for victory. If their officers lost, not only wouls they lose their lovers, their wives would bitch them out for having to give up their slaves. Raskolnikov38 posted:yes and no, the union had good officers as well, they just had a whole lot of morons to shitcan first With a larger army and less cohesive agenda, more purely political appointments were made by USA than by CSA. Basically, USA was never on total war footing, whereas CSA genuinely gave the war its all.
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Jan 16, 2015 23:06
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zoux posted:So why was US Generalship so bereft in the ACW? The US had an army of 12,000 that was mostly an old boys' club, and its only real land war up to that point was against Mexico while it was itself in the middle of a civil war. It spent the first 50 years of its existence in actions which history books don't like to remember too loudly that they usually amount to little more than congress rubberstamping strongmen like Jackson, and going through radical reorganizations. The army of the 1860s was stable, professional, and too small to make a dent. quote:So the CSA having the better officer corps isn't nostalgic southern bullshit Ultimately it turned out that there really isn't that much to officer academies besides prestige.
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Jan 16, 2015 23:08
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Raskolnikov38 posted:yes and no, the union had good officers as well, they just had a whole lot of morons to shitcan first i guess the better way to put it is that the south was able to immediately put their most skilled officers in higher positions, more or less (joe johnston) whereas the north inherited a legacy command structure full of dead wood
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Jan 16, 2015 23:09
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Agnosticnixie posted:The US had an army of 12,000 that was mostly an old boys' club, and its only real land war up to that point was against Mexico while it was itself in the middle of a civil war. It spent the first 50 years of its existence in actions which history books don't like to remember too loudly that they usually amount to little more than congress rubberstamping strongmen like Jackson, and going through radical reorganizations. The army of the 1860s was stable, professional, and too small to make a dent. A national army requires regular pay and taxation rates which simply could not pass while the South maintained control over Congress. When you fight to maintain your property and priviledge, both real and perceived, in the form of slavery, then you're willing to fight for lower, less regular pay. Basically, the southern gentry kept their capital in the form of humans, while industrial northerners kept it in the form of money. Having capital kept as human enables you to enjoy a much more leisurely life, whereas northern men required regular and stable pay in currency. Playing officers was a pasttime for southerners, with organizational experience persisting from slave hunts and continuous drilling on the basis of fear of a slave uprising, whereas playing militia was a drunken weekend pasttime for northerners. My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Jan 16, 2015 |
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Jan 16, 2015 23:11
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zoux posted:So the CSA having the better officer corps isn't nostalgic southern bullshit No, that's one thing that legit historians agree upon. Of course it helps that Franklin Pierce made Jefferson Davis his secretary of war like 10 years before the Civil War so he could stack the deck in the South's favor for both war material and officers which was effective for the first year or two, but the South's aristocrats favored sending their kids to west point over traditional colleges were most of the northern aristocrats sent their kids to traditional college as opposed to west point. vvv It's a super important part of US history since it set the stage for us becoming a world power vvv A Winner is Jew fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Jan 16, 2015 |
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Jan 16, 2015 23:12
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man i am so glad my family came to this country after the civil war because i cannot imagine actually having to give a poo poo about this.
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Jan 16, 2015 23:14
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The Warszawa posted:man i am so glad my family came to this country after the civil war because i cannot imagine actually having to give a poo poo about this. The south heavily restricted migration to HENRY WASPs, whereas northern cities welcomed cheap foreign labour with open arms. A Winner is Jew posted:
Well, the standardization of rail gauge in America due to the civil war was one of the largest contributors to America's becoming a world power.
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Jan 16, 2015 23:16
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My Imaginary GF posted:Well, the standardization of rail gauge in America due to the civil war was one of the largest contributors to America's becoming a world power. Not only that but it broke the stranglehold that the south had on congress which lead to things like an income tax to pay for a shitload more rail lines, strengthened the federal government's power especially when it came to international trade and a larger military, and solidified that an industrial economy was vastly superior to agrarian economy which is why we were equal with England and Germany during the industrial revolution afterwards. Basically the CW was a cleansing fire that led to the US running the world table afterwards.
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The Warszawa posted:man i am so glad my family came to this country after the civil war because i cannot imagine actually having to give a poo poo about this. i had three relatives who fought for the north and one for the south. every one of them died of disease
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