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CrotchDropJeans posted:Eating pork. No you weren't.
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nucleicmaxid posted:
And the fact that people who felt the urge to do a spot of killing could quite easily join a lord or kings army and cheerfully murder his way across European countryside on the way to Jerusalem, committing sickening atrocities in each village they came across, and would probably be praised for his battle fevour and dedication to the kings cause. Am reading Dan Jones The Plantagenets just now, about the English monarchy 1100-1399, and the horrors they and their armies inflicted upon foreign lands, their own lands and quite often their own family members are deeply unpleasant and shocking.
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Jack Gladney posted:Vronsky gives a chapter to each, actually, and speculates in a pretty half-assed way about folklore creatures like werewolves and vampires that were normal people who transformed into monsters, saying they could have historical origins with premodern people driven to kill. He also writes about HH Holmes and that lady in New Orleans who did crazy mutilation sex stuff to her slaves. He says of her and the others that they could do it because they had near-total aristocratic power, and that once they were found out the community did go after them. To be fair a large amount of "werewolf" lore comes from serial killers in France since that was what the popular media of the time referred to them as. They didn't think they were literal werewolves but it was just the popular buzzword of the time for serial killers.
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Jose posted:Stolen from the osha.jpg thread That was harrowing. 
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Jan 16, 2015 12:23
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Nettle Soup posted:That was harrowing. Cave diving  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtlwoX1YEmg
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Jan 16, 2015 12:27
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Not quite unnerving, but considering the fact that these threads inevitably spawn cult discussion, (as this one did many, many pages ago,) I figured you guys would be interested in a very old cult: Hashashin quote:The name "Assassin" is often said to derive from the Arabic Hashishin or "users of hashish" quote:After being drugged, the Ismaili devotees were said be taken to a paradise-like garden filled with attractive young maidens and beautiful plants in which these fida'is would awaken. Here, they were told by an "old" man that they were witnessing their place in Paradise and that should they wish to return to this garden permanently, they must serve the Nizari cause.
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Jan 16, 2015 13:57
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bonestructure posted:He is still, no poo poo, like the boogeyman in South Carolina. I remember his arrest when I was a kid, and the awful details that kept coming out. He still terrifies us around here. They found remains from two of his victims in a swamp not far from my family's house. As with so much in South Carolina, he was also a source of horror/amusement for us in NC. I remember my parents discussing the daily goings-on with trial/incarceration/execution every morning like it was a soap opera.
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Jan 16, 2015 15:11
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Cornjob posted:I wouldnt be suprised if this has already been mentioned here... It pro'lly did, but the Rape is one of the most obscene events in the twentieth century, and it bears abhorrence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes#Comfort_women Shinzo Abe once publicly protested a sculpture commemorating these women. He also tried to revise the entirety of Japan's involvement in China during WW2, but that is a broad subject.
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The Endbringer posted:Not quite unnerving, but considering the fact that these threads inevitably spawn cult discussion, (as this one did many, many pages ago,) I figured you guys would be interested in a very old cult: The "user of hashish" is a backward folk etymology. The two are not actually connected. The Same Wikipedia Article posted:Many scholars have argued, and demonstrated convincingly, that the attribution of the epithet "hashish eaters" or "hashish takers" is a misnomer derived from enemies of the Isma'ilis and was never used by Muslim chroniclers or sources. It was therefore used in a pejorative sense of "enemies" or "disreputable people". This sense of the term survived into modern times with the common Egyptian usage of the term Hashasheen in the 1930s to mean simply "noisy or riotous". It is unlikely that the austere Hassan-i Sabbah indulged personally in drug taking ... there is no mention of that drug hashish in connection with the Persian Assassins – especially in the library of Alamut ("the secret archives").
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More nuketalk. So... what year would you say the last time the US and/or USSR/Russia played around with the thought of a nuclear exchange? Would you believe it was... 1995?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_rocket_incident
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:She also continued to gently caress that guy over until the day he died. It's beautiful. It must have felt so satisfying to her every time her presence in a courtroom hurt his case more and more. How did that guy end up having such a short sentence for kidnapping, rape, mutilation, and attempted murder anyway? 
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I was going to remark on that too. Actually come to think of it you see a lot of weirdly lenient sentences from that period going back a few decades. Seems like half the crime articles in this thread have a line like "after serving two years for rape" or "after serving six years for murder." Maybe it's because I can only vaguely remember a time before stuff like three strikes laws or mandatory minimum sentences (not that I'm a supporter of those in general), but goddamn.
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Jan 16, 2015 17:47
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Mak0rz posted:How did that guy end up having such a short sentence for kidnapping, rape, mutilation, and attempted murder anyway? Modesto. *shrug*
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Jan 16, 2015 17:54
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CrotchDropJeans posted:I was going to remark on that too. Actually come to think of it you see a lot of weirdly lenient sentences from that period going back a few decades. Seems like half the crime articles in this thread have a line like "after serving two years for rape" or "after serving six years for murder." Maybe it's because I can only vaguely remember a time before stuff like three strikes laws or mandatory minimum sentences (not that I'm a supporter of those in general), but goddamn. It's enough to make you want to get Tough On Crime. Like this guy's record is pretty unnerving: http://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/CT1090504/Frank-Czumalowski.html http://newsok.com/octogenarian-eager-to-see-killer-hubby/article/3103008 He served 18 months of his 30 month sentence. A sentence he got for parole violation, while on parole for two first degree child rape convictions, which he committed while on parole from his double murder conviction.
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Jan 16, 2015 19:09
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Mak0rz posted:How did that guy end up having such a short sentence for kidnapping, rape, mutilation, and attempted murder anyway? Sentencing used to be a lot more lenient in the the US
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Jan 16, 2015 19:24
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About Gilles de Rais, what creeped me out the most was his confesstion/defense. He kept insisting that he tortured & murdered children purely for his own gratification - that it had absolutely nothing to do with trying to summon the Devil. Because, at the time, the latter was the far more serious offense.
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Jan 16, 2015 19:27
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Phyzzle posted:It's enough to make you want to get Tough On Crime. There was not a single loving detail of that article that wasn't pure WTF, but the 88 year old wife longing to see her 49-year-old double-murderer child-rapist husband again squicked me right out. A girl I knew in high school got involved with a guy serving a sentence for aggravated manslaughter (who had previously been arrested for sexual assault and several burglaries) and it was like she got brainwashed. She went from being pretty normal to constantly posting about how no one could stop their love, about how he was the nicest guy in the world and just got framed and was so misunderstood, and how she'd always wait for him forever and ever. I have no idea what happened to her because I unfriended her, but she joined some weird online group of women involved with prisoners and every time she posted these women would pat her on the back and swarm anyone who suggested that hey, maybe don't wait another ten years till the violent inmate gets released.
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Jan 16, 2015 19:32
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Mak0rz posted:How did that guy end up having such a short sentence for kidnapping, rape, mutilation, and attempted murder anyway? According to the article, because of him, they passed a law making it 25-to-life after that. quote:The outrage at this sentence resulted in legislation, supported by Mary Vincent, which prevents the early release of offenders who have committed a crime in which torture is used: in 1987 Singleton's parole led to passage of California's "Singleton bill", which carries a 25-years-to-life sentence.
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Nettle Soup posted:That was harrowing. I usually don't check out cave-diving videos or photo spreads because duh claustrophobia, but I think certain tight spaces would freak anyone out, even if they're not normally claustrophobic. I mean, there are people who get the heebie-jeebies around spiders without actually being arachnophobic, but then you've got people who absolutely love them. I wonder if there are people who actually like the tight spaces, or at least, the tightness doesn't bother them? Or maybe that's just my mind really wanting these people to at least enjoy the crazy terrifying poo poo that they're doing.
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Maggie Fletcher posted:I wonder if there are people who actually like the tight spaces, or at least, the tightness doesn't bother them? When I was a kid, I would do things like stuff myself under the bottom shelf in the closet, and just curl up down there with the closet door closed for long periods of time. I had favorite hidey-holes in the woods and at the beach that where just big enough for me to fit in, and I loved spending time in those, with the dirt and pine needles sealing me in. I loved big cardboard boxes, as little boys do, but I loved to shut them tight, cover up the cracks, and just chill inside them. As a grown man, I have an affinity for tight, enclosed places, and I am a big man. I like attics, closets, shower stalls, etc. Being bound, however, does not suit me. There's a scene in some flick I've seen a few times where a dude is in a duck-tape cocoon and suspended from some monkey bars, and it makes me really uncomfortable. I like to be in tight places, but I'm not sure I could keep my cool if I were so thoroughly restrained and helpless.
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Cornjob posted:I don't know everything about everything. You son of a bitch
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Centripetal Horse posted:When I was a kid, I would do things like stuff myself under the bottom shelf in the closet, and just curl up down there with the closet door closed for long periods of time. I had favorite hidey-holes in the woods and at the beach that where just big enough for me to fit in, and I loved spending time in those, with the dirt and pine needles sealing me in. I loved big cardboard boxes, as little boys do, but I loved to shut them tight, cover up the cracks, and just chill inside them. As a grown man, I have an affinity for tight, enclosed places, and I am a big man. I like attics, closets, shower stalls, etc. Growing up, my buddy had a closet under the stairs that had a hidden rear panel you could remove that opened into a decent sized crawl space. We made a little clubhouse in there when we were probably 8-9 years old. Nowadays I can't imagine being in a space equally as restrictive. You couldn't stand, there were nails sticking out of boards, the floor was wood but littered in general homing debris.. I can just imagine the spiders and roaches and other critters that we probably shared that room with, but we were fine planning our next Nerf gun assault on fictional bad guys.
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Carroll Edward Cole raped and strangled at least 14 women between 1971 and 1980. Not exceptional or shocking by this thread's standards, until you notice that he approached authorities at least three times asking to be committed because of his urge to rape and strangle women and was turned away each time. Some serial killers get away with their crimes for so long because they're smart and are aware of what to do to avoid the police, but how can the authorities excuse themselves when more than a dozen women die at the hand of a man who repeatedly told them to get him off the streets before he killed?
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Phyzzle posted:About Gilles de Rais, what creeped me out the most was his confesstion/defense. He kept insisting that he tortured & murdered children purely for his own gratification - that it had absolutely nothing to do with trying to summon the Devil. Because, at the time, the latter was the far more serious offense. I was under the impressions his confessions were offered under threat of torture. Not that I'm convinced he didn't do it, but a cursory analysis seems like there's a good chance we've gotten only the church's side of the story, and in many cases the Church was equally as monstrous in enough past events that I wouldn't rule out some kind of agenda on their side.
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It's funny how mental disorder never gives people the urge to, like, build orphanages by hand or feed every homeless person on their home block or something. Instead of having the urge to break into women's apartments to rape them in their sleep, how about breaking in to tuck them in and sing them lullabies? Why's it always got to be rape and torture, mayhem and murder?
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Rabbit Hill posted:It's funny how mental disorder never gives people the urge to, like, build orphanages by hand or feed every homeless person on their home block or something. Instead of having the urge to break into women's apartments to rape them in their sleep, how about breaking in to tuck them in and sing them lullabies? Why's it always got to be rape and torture, mayhem and murder? Turns out the people whose illnesses compel them to kill and eat people are reported on more than those whose illnesses compel them to donate modestly to charity or help old women cross the road.
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Rabbit Hill posted:It's funny how mental disorder never gives people the urge to, like, build orphanages by hand or feed every homeless person on their home block or something. Instead of having the urge to break into women's apartments to rape them in their sleep, how about breaking in to tuck them in and sing them lullabies? Why's it always got to be rape and torture, mayhem and murder? It does? Where do you think religious leaders come from.
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Rabbit Hill posted:It's funny how mental disorder never gives people the urge to, like, build orphanages by hand or feed every homeless person on their home block or something. Instead of having the urge to break into women's apartments to rape them in their sleep, how about breaking in to tuck them in and sing them lullabies? Why's it always got to be rape and torture, mayhem and murder? Also, rape and torture make better press than starting a mission or feeding homeless people, which is probably why we know so many more examples of the former.
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Sometimes mental minor mental illnesses can lead to charitable behavior, but due to the detrimental effects of extreme mental illness with regards to keeping down a job and such it's rare that someone has such impulses and the ability to act on them. So yeah schizo johny may want to give everyone a house, but he's homeless and barely fed himself.
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I've met plenty of people with mental illness who are church going charity supporting types whose illness mostly manifests as self flagellation, guilt, anxiety and the like. But they function well enough that they're effectively invisible and will certainly never make a sexy headline.
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Random Stranger posted:The "user of hashish" is a backward folk etymology. The two are not actually connected. Oh of course, it was just more of a derogatory term. Like calling a gay guy human being when he is clearly not a bundle of sticks. quote:...applied abusively to them by the Mustali Ismailis
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:Carroll Edward Cole raped and strangled at least 14 women between 1971 and 1980. Not exceptional or shocking by this thread's standards, until you notice that he approached authorities at least three times asking to be committed because of his urge to rape and strangle women and was turned away each time. Yeahhhhh.... wikipedia posted:A suspicious neighbor called the police eight days later, but although they found Pashal's body wrapped in a blanket and stuffed in a closet, they inexplicably decided that she had died because of her heavy drinking, and Cole was released without charge after questioning. It's like the authorities took bets on how long he could stay free or something
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peter gabriel posted:Yeahhhhh....
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Two words: Private. Prisons. (Bolding mine.) Wikipedia posted:Federal and state government has a long history of contracting out specific services to private firms, including medical services, food preparation, vocational training, and inmate transportation. The 1980s, though, ushered in a new era of prison privatization. With a burgeoning prison population resulting from the War on Drugs and increased use of incarceration, prison overcrowding and rising costs became increasingly problematic for local, state, and federal governments. In response to this expanding criminal justice system, private business interests saw an opportunity for expansion, and consequently, private-sector involvement in prisons moved from the simple contracting of services to contracting for the complete management and operation of entire prisons.[9] You know what, just go read the whole article. It's a pretty good fit for this thread.
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Rabbit Hill posted:It's funny how mental disorder never gives people the urge to, like, build orphanages by hand or feed every homeless person on their home block or something. Instead of having the urge to break into women's apartments to rape them in their sleep, how about breaking in to tuck them in and sing them lullabies? Why's it always got to be rape and torture, mayhem and murder? Because altruism isn't a sickness.
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Screaming Idiot posted:Because altruism isn't a sickness. Someone tell all the people who love Ayn Rand.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Someone tell all the people who love Ayn Rand. Ayn Rand and her work deserve a place in this thread. The fact a person can be such a hypocritical sociopath and not be laughed out of the room but instead be worshiped by millions as some sort of saint is nothing short of mortifying. Ayn Rand posted:"What are your masses but mud to be ground underfoot, fuel to be burned for those who deserve it?" Yup, totally not something a loving comic book villain would say! Let's take this person's ideals seriously!
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Rand also idolized a psychopathic serial killer, planning to use him as the model for the hero of a novel she left unfinished when she died. Her notes suggest that she believed he was the nietzschean superman but that she'd have to clean up his character before starting the book. He was hanged for killing and mutilating a 12-year-old girl: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Edward_Hickman
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As an aside, my favorite Rand joke is in the first season of Mad Men, when Don Draper's boss gives him a bonus because the boss has been reading a lot of Rand and sees Don as embodying her ethical system. At this Don, who himself qualified as a remorseless psychopath more or less, gets really worried about what the gift says about his moral character.
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I love that Rand died lonely and impoverished, forced to rely on welfare.
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