Verisimilidude posted:Engineers really are the worst when it comes to this because they're all just using calculators anyway. Sure they technically use math, but with computer models you don't actually need to remember anything. As an engineer I like common core as well, I hated memorization. On the other hand you're right, at this point why would I need to remember any of the formulas if I can just use any number of programs to do it for me!
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ZenVulgarity posted:Physics rules. I'm mainly talking about being a lawyer. Holy gently caress people don't know basic poo poo. The only reason people become lawyers is because they aren't good at math and they hate the sight of blood (myself included).
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I have worked in law offices for almost 8 years and the one thing I have learned from this is that most lawyers (probably most people) can't alphabetize poo poo if their lives depended on it.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:One cool thing is that because so many engineers are right wing tools, you can use advanced mathematics against them. I suddenly understood what common core means. To think I've been doing it all my life because I'm one of those guys who absolutely loathe rote memorization and prefer to find shortcuts instead. I thought everyone split stuff like 12x12 to (12x10) + (2x12) instead of memorizing by heart. Maybe Belgian education has been teaching me common core all along but I certainly don't remember them asking me to make 10 from 8+5. What a horribly obtuse way of explaining it. So if you're told to multiply 9 by 8, are you supposed to memorize by heart on your table that it's 72? Like, is that what the schools expected you to do? I always thought everyone did (8x10)-8 because it's as simple as adding a zero and subtracting 8 from the final amount, for example.
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Staryberry posted:The only reason people become lawyers is because they aren't good at math and they hate the sight of blood (myself included). I love blood....blood money.
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Ashcans posted:I have worked in law offices for almost 8 years and the one thing I have learned from this is that most lawyers (probably most people) can't alphabetize poo poo if their lives depended on it. My very first job was helping organize a whole bunch of files for some friends of my family, who ran a very small firm that dealt mainly with bankruptcy and estate stuff, in preparation for an audit. Make no mistake, these were seriously good people who did good things for people who needed help, but their entire filing philosophy appeared to be "just put it down wherever there's space for it, I guess". Once we all grasped the extent of the problem, my mother ended up being pulled in to help--and even after that, we all had far too many very late nights looking for such-and-such a document in any of a dozen leg-high piles of folders and documents and bits of paper that might be important or might be a phone number and some mildly amusing doodles, nobody quite knew what the gently caress.
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Deltasquid posted:So if you're told to multiply 9 by 8, are you supposed to memorize by heart on your table that it's 72? Like, is that what the schools expected you to do? I always thought everyone did (8x10)-8 because it's as simple as adding a zero and subtracting 8 from the final amount, for example. I think this is where it gets fuzzy. Of course there will still some memorization. For multiplication you've still have to learn 1x1 to 10x10, but once that's done it becomes more about the thinking process. so that anything above 10 just becomes breaking the equation apart. My fiance teaches 3rd grade math and they're going through this right now.
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Deltasquid posted:So if you're told to multiply 9 by 8, are you supposed to memorize by heart on your table that it's 72? Like, is that what the schools expected you to do? Yes, and that goes for everyone I know. We had a multiplication table and were expected to memorize it.
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Angry Fish posted:I never understood where they developed the "dip your bullets in PORK FAT," bit.
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Zesty Mordant posted:Yes, and that goes for everyone I know. We had a multiplication table and were expected to memorize it. Timed multiplication table drills. You have a paper with a grid of multiplication problems, and like 60 seconds to solve them all. If you didn't finish in time, you felt incredibly stupid. I spent far too many nights lying in bed the night before school just doing multiplication tables in my head out of pure fear and anxiety. That was either 3rd or 4th grade I think (that's hazy, but the memory of those drills is not). In the end, it worked. On the other hand, if there was a better way I wish I had been taught it instead.
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Dr. Faustus posted:And I *hated* it. First grade, we had a whole page of math we had to complete practically first thing every morning. In order to advance to the next level you had to get the current sheet right in its entirety twice. I only completed a page in time once.
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Deltasquid posted:I suddenly understood what common core means. To think I've been doing it all my life because I'm one of those guys who absolutely loathe rote memorization and prefer to find shortcuts instead. I thought everyone split stuff like 12x12 to (12x10) + (2x12) instead of memorizing by heart. Maybe Belgian education has been teaching me common core all along but I certainly don't remember them asking me to make 10 from 8+5. What a horribly obtuse way of explaining it. I'm being slightly pedantic, but for clarity's sake this is not "what Common Core means". Common Core just means the Federal government made a particular list of what kids should be taught in various grades. The list happens to include some things, like these math skills, that educators have realized are good to teach in the interim since schoolkids' parents were in elementary school. Anyway, memorizing tables has nothing to do with mathematics so minimizing it is pretty cool.
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Deltasquid posted:I suddenly understood what common core means. To think I've been doing it all my life because I'm one of those guys who absolutely loathe rote memorization and prefer to find shortcuts instead. I thought everyone split stuff like 12x12 to (12x10) + (2x12) instead of memorizing by heart. Maybe Belgian education has been teaching me common core all along but I certainly don't remember them asking me to make 10 from 8+5. What a horribly obtuse way of explaining it. So first, the child's first introduction to the concept isn't going to be "Make 10 from 8+5", they're going to spend time in class talking about number manipulation and will have done some practice. Second, both memorization and number manipulation techniques ought to be taught. Speed is important and at some point students really should spend some time practicing their multiplication table to memorize at least up to 10*10, or even up to 12*12 But Common core is more than this. There are actual real concerns and criticisms that we really ought to be discussing, but instead we only get to talk about insane poo poo.
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Fulchrum posted:It starts with the belief that deep down, Muslims are not human, they are monsters. And they are weak in the same way monsters are - pork to them is like garlic to a vampire. Seriously, go through every one of those "hahaha, we got PORK!" things, substitute muslims with vampires and pork with garlic, and it makes things so much clearer. It's really more of a psy ops program but the problem is people who propose it are idiots and can't really figure out how they'd make it known they were using pork fat, and of course a deep lack of understanding how the Muslim ban on pork works. RagnarokAngel fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Jan 17, 2015 |
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Zesty Mordant posted:Yes, and that goes for everyone I know. We had a multiplication table and were expected to memorize it. I think that's what we were expected to do, but I never did it. I'm always surprised when I can suddenly remember instead of using one of the tricks.
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My wife does research on Common Core implementation, and I think an issue is the wording, which can be bizarre if you hadn't seen it before. "Make 10 from 8 + 5" makes no goddamned sense if you don't know that you're supposed to shuffle a two across to build to doing more complicated mental addition. In some cases schools have pre-tests and post-tests so they can evaluate Common Core teaching methods, so you can imagine how terrible a lot of the answers are on the pre-tests when a fourth-grader who has never seen this type of question is faced with the ZOMG concept that math isn't just rote memorization. It really doesn't help that a lot of the adults looking at these questions just aren't really good at math. They think they are because they did well in primary school by learning how to brute-force through the methods taught, but they really lack some fundamental knowledge and insight. They often fail to recognize that their mental math often parallels the concepts taught in Common Core curriculum and then rail against the very way they do math: "Why do they have to do this stupid number line thing to subtract when it's so much easier to do it the old-fashioned way?" It would also help if teachers didn't feel threatened by Common Core. It's partly because teachers always get screwed when implementation of any concept doesn't work out ("Your inner-city kids, who can't concentrate because they don't always get food at home and are too busy worrying that they're going to get stabbed because we've cut busing to kids who live within two miles of this war zone, are failing! It must be YOU!") and partly because a lot of the math teachers aren't actually good at math beyond rote mechanics.
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RagnarokAngel posted:It's really more of a psy ops program but the problem is people who propose it are idiots and can't really figure out how they'd make it known they were using pork fat, and of course a deep lack of understanding how the Muslim ban on pork works. It reminds me of that one lovely Tom Clancy book where a bunch of Muslims shoot up a mall for some reason and after the badass author stand-in guns them all down he makes one of them hold a football in his hands as he bleeds to death so he'll go to hell. It's laughably silly, but it's also a good way to bilk massive amounts of money out of rightists for minimal actual effort, which you've gotta give them some credit for.
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tetrapyloctomy posted:My wife does research on Common Core implementation, and I think an issue is the wording, which can be bizarre if you hadn't seen it before. "Make 10 from 8 + 5" makes no goddamned sense if you don't know that you're supposed to shuffle a two across to build to doing more complicated mental addition. In some cases schools have pre-tests and post-tests so they can evaluate Common Core teaching methods, so you can imagine how terrible a lot of the answers are on the pre-tests when a fourth-grader who has never seen this type of question is faced with the ZOMG concept that math isn't just rote memorization. It really doesn't help that a lot of the adults looking at these questions just aren't really good at math. They think they are because they did well in primary school by learning how to brute-force through the methods taught, but they really lack some fundamental knowledge and insight. They often fail to recognize that their mental math often parallels the concepts taught in Common Core curriculum and then rail against the very way they do math: "Why do they have to do this stupid number line thing to subtract when it's so much easier to do it the old-fashioned way?" Yeah, in my undergrad I had a lot of Math Ed kids going "ugh this is too abstract when are we ever going to need to know Discrete Math to teach kids" and it was pretty infuriating. But also on a more empathetic tack, whenever a totally new tack is introduced, the teachers have to learn along with the kids. Even though they get some time to prepare, it's no surprise that it might take a few tries to really internalize the material and learn to explain it in a way that makes sense to everyone.
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Alien Arcana posted:Wasn't there a Monty Python skit that was exactly that scenario? LEMMING LEMMING LEMMING OF THE BDA LEMMING OF THE BD LEMMING OF THE BD LEMMING OF THE BD LEMMING OF THE BD LEMMING OF THE BD LEMMING OF THE BD LEMMING OF THE BD LEMMING OF THE BD LEMMING OF THE BDA-eh-A!
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This week at work I had to explain to a coworker what the helldump is. That was weird. Anyway: THIS WEEK IN LL 101! (Pt. 1) Why won't those unelectable bozos like Bush get out of the way of TRUE winners like Cruz and Carson? And of course, blaming the democrats for their own party being full of morons. "Now more about why those "Thing isn't free? Better not do it. You know how the saying goes, you have to spend absolutely nothing to make money." If you'll excuse me, I've got this low level rining going on in my ear. "Why are these people I hate, ridicule and verbally abuse behaving in a way that makes me so uncomfotable? I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT!!!" Deafening in that conservatives need to shove their fingers in their ears to continue believing that moderates ARE silent. This gun is customisable. That PROVES...something. quote:L: The only arguments against same-sex marriage are religious. I don't even know where to start here. One of my favorite is "Nuh-uh, we don't live in a secular society, because technically, secular IS a religious view, and since its a religious view the government can't havbe it, therefore nothing can stop me pushing my hate on you!" "I mean, today the entire Chinese army might attack me - you don't know!" ..yes. It does. It means open your mind to my perspective and way of thinking. That is literally what the phrase means! quote:Here’s an idea! Let’s make a law that’s really strict, draconian and with some severe penalties for violating it. But, we’ll let law enforcement only selectively enforce it. And we’ll give a little wink and nod when judges ignore the sentencing requirement and give only a fraction of the penalty written into the law for those few the law is actually enforced on. Isn’t that a great idea? Doing this would allow us to “scare” criminals by the mere threat of such a law, while then allowing us to constantly show compassion in only selectively enforcing it and partially implementing it. "Imagine a system where people ripped off the country for buillions, broekt eh law, and weren't punished. I'm talking, of course, about illegal immigrants. No, shut up, the bankers and capitalists have NOTHING to do with this!" How dare people who are good at their jobs get to keep them! Okay, I think I get this - this about Maher and the other racist liberals, who think moderate mjuslims are too quiet, yet don't complain when Christians are forced to not discriminate. Because thats the same? gently caress it, I give up. All he asked for was the truth by actively refusing deployment twice and facing court martial for it You should be outraged a man was court martialed for refusing orders, the thing you're supposed to be court martialled for! So wait, the devil is the liberal here? Why even bother color coding speech if you're not gonna stick to it? OH no! He's black and has a toy gun! We need to: 1. Shoot him. 2. Wait for conservatives to point out he was no angel.. No, martyr more of them and outerage moderate muslims into extremism. Since thats worked so very well. How do you make fun of this? This is supposed to be a punchline, not an actual post.... Yes, what about decent hardworking black men like Barack Obama or Eric Holder? Surely LL 101 would never attack them and label them thugs, right? quote:5 Questions Same-Sex marriage Advocates Refuse to Answer. And by refuse to answer we mean they will either change the subject, change the question or offer an answer so irrelevant and stupid, you wonder who they’re talking to. They start out with "its only a fallacy if its not true, which it is cause I think it is", and only go downhill from there. And for #4, I like how they think that the response is always "brain explodes", instead of asking why the need to deny rights toothers is so very important to the happiness of conservatives. A chart proving how reluctant people are to call what white Christians do terrorism. '"15-25% of muslims are violent radicals, according to all intelelgience agencies". See? They backed it up - by which intelligence againcies? Any of them, all of them - thats not important!' quote:A while back one of my sons commented that it was Hispanic Heritage Month. He noticed that there seems to be only a select few “heritages” that get a month, and asked me if there was an “Asian Heritage Month”. I explained that since Asian-Americans as a group tend to have higher than average income and manage to get into the better colleges in greater proportion than their percentage of the population, they tend to be ignored as a cultural group. Jews seem to have the same problem. Their success is deemed a disqualifier for recognition of their contributions to the history of the nation. It makes no sense why their culture, heritage and contributions would be any less than other groups simply because they have a better comprehension of how to utilize the opportunities available to all Americans, but that is how some feel they should be treated. What is observed during Jewish-American Heritage Month (May) is holocaust awareness, important, but hardly the sum total of Jewish heritage or contributions to American society. So why observe only some or part of some heritages? The cruelty of condescension masquerading as charity Asian-Pacific Heritage month is May. Hey look, a conservative substitutes their own ignorance for facts. They really have no clue that unemployment is at a new low, do they?
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Also, this isn't part of the helldump, but I found this this week, and its insane. Its from Scott Adams.quote:Corporations keep getting bigger. Some have their own fleets of aircraft, ships, and sometimes even submarines. The only way we can defeat ISIS, is if we literally make SPECTRE. I forsee NO WAY this could backfire.
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Fulchrum posted:This week at work I had to explain to a coworker what the helldump is. That was weird. Indeed. "The Democrats are such losers that they make us even losier losers by proxy!" I enjoy a good I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I argument.
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Dr. Faustus posted:I spent far too many nights lying in bed the night before school just doing multiplication tables in my head out of pure fear and anxiety. T Did you try not being stupid? Because that seemed to work for me w/r/t this problem
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Goatman Sacks posted:Did you try not being stupid? Because that seemed to work for me w/r/t this problem You realise there's no prize money that comes with being the forums biggest douche, right? You don't need to try that hard to get it.
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Fulchrum posted:Also, this isn't part of the helldump, but I found this this week, and its insane. Its from Scott Adams. There is no way he didn't pause multiple times while writing that to jack off or make awkward sounds* while fantasizing about being part of his proposed multinational corporate spec ops team or whatever. *I'm thinking of this specific time when this friend of mine in 8th grade started just spazzing out and making sounds while watching DBZ, like he just couldn't deal with all the testosterone-fueled excitement of it. I imagine folks like Adams basically reacting the same way when they imagine taking down terrorists with high tech weapons.
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Not just high tech weapons but loving swarms of flying hunter-killer robots that slaughter anything with a heat signature unleashed upon entire chunks of geography.
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He didn't publish the drawing he made of a giant spider tank bristling with guns, each with a continuous stream of bullets firing in every direction.
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Fulchrum posted:The big risk, obviously, is that no matter who starts the secret corporation it will be seen as an American invention, or it will involve American-made technology, or imagined American funding, so there will still be blow-back. Oh, THAT's the big risk here. Not that a massive murder corporation with zero international oversight is vaporizing "bad guys" with robot swarms. The BIG risk is it might have some blowback for the American government. Which, incidentally, I'm SURE would totally still be a legitimate, recognized, and powerful actor in a world with INTERNATIONAL ROBOT MURDER CORPORATIONS
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Fulchrum posted:L: The only arguments against same-sex marriage are religious.
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Hmmm.... http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/publications/terror-from-the-right More worried about the far-right attacks than the Christian ones myself, though there may be overlap there in some instances.
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C'mon Mo, you know they'd say 'Our chart is terrorist attacks throughout the world'/'Your chart doesn't account for the deadliness of attacks'. The reality is when a far-right white Christian commits an act of terror, it's just dismissed as a lone nut.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:He didn't publish the drawing he made of a giant spider tank bristling with guns, each with a continuous stream of bullets firing in every direction. ? We must keep ourselves safe from Corponation fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Jan 17, 2015 |
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Mo_Steel posted:Hmmm.... I'm curious, who's the one far-left terrorist group in that infographic? Some ecoterrorist group? (Or would they be categorized under "single issue"?) Because I've never heard of any far-left groups that have tried to attack the US.
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Dr. Faustus posted:And I *hated* it. Multiplication tables aren't just a way to quickly do multiplication in your head; they are also a tool for demonstrating how multiplication is related to addition, thus allowing you to build on that skill. Whether you realized it or not, you probably were doing that. Also, fluency in basic operations is a good predictor of future success in math (probably because you'll be less likely to get frustrated an quit), which is another reason to push tables really hard; and it's also the reason they had you do those one minute drills. They weren't really for you to practice, though that was a bonus. They were for the teacher to see if you were improving fast enough. If you weren't, you should have gotten additional help.
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Poizen Jam posted:C'mon Mo, you know they'd say 'Our chart is terrorist attacks throughout the world'/'Your chart doesn't account for the deadliness of attacks'. When a far right white Christian is feeling the kind of sentiments that would make a Muslim join a terrorist organization, they join the US military.
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quote:L: Homosexual behavior is evident in hundreds, if not thousands, of species, proving that it’s natural.
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Twelve by Pies posted:"After I've disqualified every example of homosexuality in animals, there's no examples left of homosexuality in animals! CHECKMATE LIBERALS. " Actually, they still couldn't. Caution: This is adorable. http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2009/06/06/gay-penguin-couple-hatch-baby The pairing is sexual, both are in perfect health, there is no dominance display, and its long term.
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Idran posted:I'm curious, who's the one far-left terrorist group in that infographic? Some ecoterrorist group? (Or would they be categorized under "single issue"?) Because I've never heard of any far-left groups that have tried to attack the US. PETA could be in this category.
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PETA are annoying, when have they ever engaged in something that could be credibly called terrorism?
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VideoTapir posted:Multiplication tables aren't just a way to quickly do multiplication in your head; they are also a tool for demonstrating how multiplication is related to addition, thus allowing you to build on that skill. Whether you realized it or not, you probably were doing that. I definitely wanted to finish them all and that's why I spent time that I could have been sleeping just practicing them in my head. I was trying not to be stupid, and at least in that sense it did work: I did learn my guzintas prety gud. That said, I'm all for the method that works best (has better outcomes). I'm not attached to "the way I did it and it should be good enough for everyone!"
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