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There's enough degradation in a fixed Indycar race that if you take tires halfway through, you'll be a good bit faster than those who don't. If it's green the whole way there's no point but under yellow, it just might be worth sacrificing track position unless you're really really good at saving them.
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Lord Crapulus posted:Unfortunately, one of the guys signed up and then never connected, but his stupid 600 iRating still helped kill the SOF grrrr need more points I read somewhere that the highest and lowest iRatings are left out of the SoF calculation, but I cannot find a citation anywhere. edit: I did some quick math on a previous race. SoF was closer to the average of all cars minus the top and bottom iRatings than it was to the average of all iRatings. Neither one was bang on though. SoF was 2291, average iRating 2375, average minus top and bottom 2259. ManicJason fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Jan 16, 2015 |
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IOwnCalculus posted:There's enough degradation in a fixed Indycar race that if you take tires halfway through, you'll be a good bit faster than those who don't. If it's green the whole way there's no point but under yellow, it just might be worth sacrificing track position unless you're really really good at saving them. I couldn't decide if I was going to pit under a caution or not because track position, but I could definitely see how fresh tires would make a difference. My lap times were down over .5 sec late in that race, although some of that was having to lift whenever I'd get close to the guy in front of me. I'm complaining about aero push, it must be an accurate simulation! It was pretty fun though, I'll have to do more of these. It was also a lot of fun not qualifying and having to come through the field. Plus I got an award for it, gotta get them all. ManicJason posted:I read somewhere that the highest and lowest iRatings are left out of the SoF calculation, but I cannot find a citation anywhere. Yeah, I saw that it wasn't just the average. I hadn't realized that it was a Secret Formula (TM). The next lowest guy was just under 900, so I don't know that it would've even helped if they dropped a couple, but who knows. It was a very odd mix of ratings for such a small race, we had a 4600, 4200, 3800, 1500, 1500, 900, and 600. I don't normally see other highly rated guys do races at odd times, but I guess when so few go official, you take what you can get.
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Jan 16, 2015 05:22
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Lord Crapulus posted:I couldn't decide if I was going to pit under a caution or not because track position, but I could definitely see how fresh tires would make a difference. My lap times were down over .5 sec late in that race, although some of that was having to lift whenever I'd get close to the guy in front of me. That's the thing, the aero push effect is a lot lower when you can force your way through it on fresh tires. When they're old it's a lot harder. Texas was really interesting in that regard, especially because of all of the yellows. I managed to win a couple races there by getting pole and staying up front; fresh tires were faster there too but if you can bunch the field up and get a 1.5+ second gap on every restart, by the time they've caught you their tires are going off too. Those last restarts you'll be hanging on for dear life from wheelspin, though.
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Cojawfee posted:You actually have to change tires in the fixed races? e: Nothing like looking to the left and seeing all the people you'd been running with filing down pit lane. MC Fruit Stripe fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Jan 16, 2015 |
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Jan 16, 2015 07:25
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It is nice to see the change they made to the DW12 or the tire model (both?) that eliminates the line-hugging antics at Michigan. Though I assume there are still asshats that try to pass on the apron?
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IOwnCalculus posted:That's the thing, the aero push effect is a lot lower when you can force your way through it on fresh tires. When they're old it's a lot harder. That's how I won a Phoenix Truck race last year, never took tires, had a late yellow, and had the lead when everyone pitted. Took the flag with two to go, jumped the start, and dirt tracked my rear end off. 2nd place was at my quarter panel when we crossed the line.
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Jan 16, 2015 13:17
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Oh absolutely. No one cares about my stories but here's a story. Last night running trucks at Charlotte, I was running 4th when the first caution dropped on about lap 11. I mentally checked out under caution, only coming back to reality once I noticed something was wrong. Everyone from 1st to 9th had pitted except for our hero. So it's fun to inherit the lead, but when you know everyone from about the 3rd row back is on fresh tires, noooot so much. I like stories. Then I don't feel as bad for boring people with mine  Bentai posted:It is nice to see the change they made to the DW12 or the tire model (both?) that eliminates the line-hugging antics at Michigan. Though I assume there are still asshats that try to pass on the apron? I didn't see or hear about any at Michigan, but Kentucky's coming up!
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Bentai posted:It is nice to see the change they made to the DW12 or the tire model (both?) that eliminates the line-hugging antics at Michigan. Though I assume there are still asshats that try to pass on the apron? I don't think it's possible to make the fixed setup stick down there on all but the freshest tires. Try that after four or five laps and you're going to put yourself in the wall.
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I'm lucky that I liked running the high line there in the old car then. Last night I was one of those asshats that thinks five minutes of practice is enough to jump into a race, but I picked up quite a few spots from people that burned their tires off trying to run low in the corners.
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Jan 16, 2015 17:17
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I'll have to rewatch some old videos to be sure, but I'm pretty sure the last couple seasons you could just hold the apron line for the entire race.
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Jan 16, 2015 17:55
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Lord Crapulus posted:Last night I was one of those asshats that thinks five minutes of practice is enough to jump into a race I didn't even buy Michigan until about 15 minutes before the race
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IOwnCalculus posted:I didn't even buy Michigan until about 15 minutes before the race IndyCar at Michigan is the equivalent to NASCAR at Talladega except that bump drafting =  It only requires 5 laps of practice and you'll be fine KingShibby fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Jan 16, 2015 |
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Jan 16, 2015 18:35
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I've never seen people take tires in fixed indy.
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Jan 16, 2015 20:45
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It happens, it just depends on the race.
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Jan 16, 2015 20:57
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iRacing claimed to have added more oval tire wear in the last update. That's not the first time they've said that, though. I've definitely seen people pit in indy fixed even before that.
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Jan 16, 2015 21:01
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It does certainly feel like they've added better tire wear. Did a full tank run last night with the fixed setup and as the tires get older it seemed like I consistently had less wiggle room for entry. After maybe 8-10 laps, my lap times plateaued or went up.
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Jan 16, 2015 21:14
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It's not even that tire degradation is that bad, but if you gain even a tenth, in the draft that's gonna get magnified.
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Well, I tried going the other way on tires this last race. We had three cautions, something like lap 9, 15, and 23. I pitted under the first one, since I was only up to 10th or so (from 19th, 26 car field). Everyone who didn't on the first did on the second, so I inherited the lead. Did some side-by-side with some other guy, who got his nose just in front when the last caution came out. I pitted from 2nd, but almost no one else did, so I got to restart 16th. I did make it back to 5th, probably would've had 3rd if some guy didn't run me pretty high into 3 coming to the checkered. The guy I had been racing with led the rest of the race, and I had been holding him on the bottom when we were side-by-side, so I guess my tires would've been good enough. Oh well.
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Lord Crapulus posted:when the last caution came out. I pitted from 2nd
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At that point, you just gotta hang on for dear life. 
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Bentai posted:At that point, you just gotta hang on for dear life. Yep, if you're top 5 at the end you stay out unless it was a long green stretch and more than 1 car ahead of you goes in. Dirt track that bitch!
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There was still a little less than 20 laps to go, I just figured that a few more people would go for it. I am a terrible oval strategist. e: got taken out by some jackass this morning, I think I've had enough oval Lord Crapulus fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Jan 17, 2015 |
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iRacing is great for making GBS threads on the notion that oval racing is just a couple left turns lol
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Pfft ovals suck right turns 4 lyfe So I just almost doubled my incident count for the season in Indy road, apparently when you're in last, about to be lapped, and off the track, the absolute best time to come back on is by squeezing yourself between the leader and the guy in 2nd who's a second behind right in the middle of a chicane! It was a pretty weak 4x though, I don't think either one of us actually took damage.
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VikingSkull posted:iRacing is great for making GBS threads on the notion that oval racing is just a couple left turns lol Go back to the IndyCar thread  Also Open Indy > Fixed Indy Still can't wait for the full-length IndyCar series...
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KingShibby posted:Go back to the IndyCar thread I would be inclined to agree with you if I could set a car up to save my life.
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I don't think I will ever go near open set ups, the only time I've been involved in them is in hosted sessions. Where everybody takes the same car as me and yet magically go faster because the base setup sucks.VikingSkull posted:iRacing is great for making GBS threads on the notion that oval racing is just a couple left turns lol http://pahlavan.se/dump/carburatorcup_crash.webm
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Holy poo poo, Torabi, let off the god damned gas.
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simble posted:Holy poo poo, Torabi, let off the god damned gas. I knew I was going to crash way before but since it's the carburator cup I said gently caress it and tried to drive through.
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You carb cupped the gently caress out of that one.
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Torabi posted:I knew I was going to crash way before but since it's the carburator cup I said gently caress it and tried to drive through. Obligatory video for that situation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e77ybggTHHg
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I like how the solution for being in last place in movies that have racing is to just shift and then mash the gas pedal.
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Saw this guy in a race today http://members.iracing.com/membersite/member/CareerStats.do?custid=178850
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Cojawfee posted:I like how the solution for being in last place in movies that have racing is to just shift and then mash the gas pedal. Bumming Your Scene posted:Saw this guy in a race today
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He called someone a bitch, in text. If he had a mic I'm sure he would say it like this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95BBxPWGwNQ
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KingShibby posted:Go back to the IndyCar thread Hey, I never said it was harder than road racing, road racing is way more difficult, in fact. Oval racing is harder than you'd think, though.
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simble posted:Humble Sea Bass: Proof that you can spend a ton of money on equipment and still be loving terrible. I smell anger and resentment because my eyes are not fucktarded and can use an oculus rift.
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I just did my first official Skippy race. Top-10 and I didn't hit anyone else. I feel pretty good about it.
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KingShibby posted:Still can't wait for the full-length IndyCar series... Please say you and I are not just idiots for waiting on that. The last I heard was an off-hand remark from some iRacing employee before the team racing patch. Please be real.
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