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Me at 1, opponent at 19. Untap with Torrent Elemental, Alpine Grizzly, 0/2 mana dork and Yasova Dragonclaw. Attack, Torrent Elemental taps all his guys. Cast Trumpet Blast. Temur rules, guys.
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BaronVonVaderham posted:
Unless your store has a really weird prize policy, it's a zero-sum thing. He has no obligation to you and since you lost, someone else rightfully got into the top 8 and the prizes. Sucks to just miss out, but it's no one's fault but your own.
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Jan 18, 2015 01:31
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Angry Grimace posted:Me at 1, opponent at 19. Untap with Torrent Elemental, Alpine Grizzly, 0/2 mana dork and Yasova Dragonclaw. Yes, renowned Sultai card Torrent Elemental is good.
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Jan 18, 2015 01:35
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Oldsrocket_27 posted:Went Jeskai, pulled a very solid pool. Went 4-0 for first place. Got 4 packs in prizes and pulled trash. Life's a roller coaster. How many people played in your pool that you only got 4 loving packs for going 4-0? Jesus. I went 4-0 and got 12 with around 50~ people.
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Jan 18, 2015 01:41
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Opened a lovely pool, made mistakes, didn't have fun. I think I need an extended break from this game. On the plus side, my store had an ice sculpture of Ugin that ended up getting retweeted by MaRo. So that's neat.
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Jan 18, 2015 01:49
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GonSmithe posted:How many people played in your pool that you only got 4 loving packs for going 4-0? Jesus. I went 4-0 and got 12 with around 50~ people. Might be flat "pack per win" prize structure. Four rounds of that is pretty much exactly 2 packs / player total, whatever the player number.
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Jan 18, 2015 01:52
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Oldsrocket_27 posted:Went Jeskai, pulled a very solid pool. Went 4-0 for first place. Got 4 packs in prizes and pulled trash. Life's a roller coaster. What a Shiity payout. 4-0 gets 23, 3-0-1 gets 13 or 14, and 3-1 gets 7. I went 3-1 with abzan in first, got a mediocre mardu in my second.
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Jan 18, 2015 02:01
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Lord Of Texas posted:Unless your store has a really weird prize policy, it's a zero-sum thing. He has no obligation to you and since you lost, someone else rightfully got into the top 8 and the prizes. Sucks to just miss out, but it's no one's fault but your own. Prizes are only paid out to top 8. There is literally nothing to be gained by playing that final around when you are in 3rd place and guaranteed to make top 8 regardless of the result (and this had already stretched on for 8 hours, anyone who made top 8 was going to split immediately without exception, so you can't even argue that playing for the seed is relevant...no matter what happened you were walking away with 1/8 of the prize pool, the end). Sure, he has no obligation to me, but can you see how that being the ONLY reason to play that round out is pretty terrible? "I have no reason to play this round, the only outcomes are nothing changes or I knock you out, so I'm just playing to see if I can ruin your day." If it affected the prize he received or anything of that sort, never draw, but there is no reason to NOT draw aside from trying to prove some point....i.e. being a dick. You're well within your rights to do that, but I think I'm also pretty justified in considering it a dick move.
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Jan 18, 2015 02:03
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Someone else got into the top8 though instead of you though. If anything I'd say making a deal with your opponent to try and rig the top8 would be more of a dick move (and even against the rules in a lot of games/sports).
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Jan 18, 2015 02:21
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Brutal Hordecheif is a guaranteed blowout if it lives to the next turn.
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Jan 18, 2015 02:26
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Rinkles posted:Yes, renowned Sultai card Torrent Elemental is good. I was just referring to doing something awesome after going Temur.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Someone else got into the top8 though instead of you though. If anything I'd say making a deal with your opponent to try and rig the top8 would be more of a dick move (and even against the rules in a lot of games/sports). Are you really just not aware that in every single tournament half of the top 8 (at least) is determined by intentional draws? In what way is it a dick move to not play a game you don't have to win to make it in? Do you also take issue with the 6 people who made it into the top 8 by drawing their final round? Try to enforce that idea at your next tournament. "You cannot draw, you have to play it out!" We could just sit there playing lands and passing the turn until time was called and look at that, 0-0-1 draw! What a bastard you must be to have played well enough that you don't need to earn another win to still have more points than everyone else.
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Jan 18, 2015 02:28
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Angry Grimace posted:I was just referring to doing something awesome after going Temur. I was joking, but that card really is nutty and I am happy I didn't have to face it.
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Jan 18, 2015 02:32
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I think this sealed format was super fun, but I was the guy with 7 playable rares in his deck.  I got Soulfire Grand Master as my promo and it did the least work of any of my "bombs". I never got to buyback a spell with it in five rounds and only once ever got to gain life from a Sandblast. If I can see it being really good in the right Jeskai deck, but I didn't have that deck. I opened a Jeskai box and ended up going Bant because my red was weak and my green was ridiculous: Whisperwood Elemental, Temur War Shaman, foil Sandsteppe Mastodon, and two Temur Sabertooths, who were total all-stars and my favorite card in the set by a mile. I want to first pick those in drafts all winter.
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Jan 18, 2015 02:39
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I guess it's OK if you want to engage in match fixing, but the idea of it being rude not to do it seems ridiculous. Surely the fair (and fun) way to do it is to do your best in every game rather than trying to skew the tournament in favour of your opponent just because you can. Some guy who did better than you got the prize, and if he'd lost it just because someone else refused to play out their game for no reason I think he'd have more of a right to be annoyed.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I guess it's OK if you want to engage in match fixing, but the idea of it being rude not to do it seems ridiculous. Surely the fair (and fun) way to do it is to do your best in every game rather than trying to skew the tournament in favour of your opponent just because you can. Some guy who did better than you got the prize, and if he'd lost it just because someone else refused to play out their game for no reason I think he'd have more of a right to be annoyed. Yah, exactly this. Literally the only reason that there's no rule prohibiting people from intentional draws is that it's unenforceable. On MtGO, you can't draw, and Wizards actively looks for methods to dis-incentivize drawing in live events, like the current play-draw rule for top 8 at competitive events.
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Jan 18, 2015 02:44
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Not goin to lie, drawing to top 8 is cheap, but I am guilty of it on multiple occasions.sometimes I just want a break after 4-5 hours of playing and want to sit there and decompress before top 8 happens.
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Jan 18, 2015 02:58
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If I'm in either way but my opponent wants to draw it in, I'll do it if they ask politely, unless a friend of mine is in contention. One time at a PTQ I declined to draw in because a friend of mine would've been knocked out, I lost the round and my friend won his, then from the 8th seed he went on to win the tournament.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I guess it's OK if you want to engage in match fixing, but the idea of it being rude not to do it seems ridiculous. Surely the fair (and fun) way to do it is to do your best in every game rather than trying to skew the tournament in favour of your opponent just because you can. Some guy who did better than you got the prize, and if he'd lost it just because someone else refused to play out their game for no reason I think he'd have more of a right to be annoyed. By this same line of logic, that same person should have played harder so that they put themselves in a position where they did not need to win another game to earn their place. I'm honestly confused by how you look at this. It sucks when you're that guy in 9th place and a bunch of people drew in, but if you had won earlier in the round so that you were in 5th place before that round you could have done the same. They're not refusing to play out their game "for no reason", they DO NOT HAVE TO EARN ANY MORE POINTS TO WIN. Playing out that game would be "for no reason". I'm also guessing you've never had the pleasure of drawing the final round to go get a beer next door.
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4-0'd the Modern Daily on U-Tron. Totally better than going to FRF Sealed. 
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Entropic posted:I opened a Jeskai box and ended up going Bant because my red was weak and my green was ridiculous: Whisperwood Elemental, Temur War Shaman, foil Sandsteppe Mastodon, and two Temur Sabertooths, who were total all-stars and my favorite card in the set by a mile. I want to first pick those in drafts all winter. Same here, started Jeskai, went Bant. Sandsteppe Outcast into Temur Sabertooth is just backbreaking to start with, but then I had two of the legendary dragons along with a handful of others and just went full Bant Dragon Control. It was kind of hilarious, one of the guys had two 5/5 Wildcalls out and straight up said, "Well, I have two 5/5s and his board is empty, I'm pretty good right now." Ojutai into Dromoka into Wardscale into Wardscale into... It was just great.
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BaronVonVaderham posted:By this same line of logic, that same person should have played harder so that they put themselves in a position where they did not need to win another game to earn their place. I originally thought it was pretty silly people were arguing with you but at this point you're coming off as a huge rear end in a top hat.
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Another Manifest question: Can you Delve to pay the flip cost of a manifested creature? My gut says you can but I am not certain.
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Like if this was ID to get into top 8 for GP Trials or PTQ than yeah, I can see being salty about the guy not taking the ID. But this is pre-release, the casual of the casual events. Most people are new to tournaments at an event like that and will just want to play it out!
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Alris posted:Another Manifest question: I believe the answer is no. Delve is a static ability that only functions while a spell with Delve is on the stack. Flipping a Manifested card has nothing to do with spells on the stack.
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qbert posted:I believe the answer is no. Delve is a static ability that only functions while a spell with Delve is on the stack. Flipping a Manifested card has nothing to do with spells on the stack. Yeah, see the delve reminder text "... while casting this spell...". Flipping up isn't casting.
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Alris posted:Another Manifest question: No. Delve is a thing that you use to pay the casting cost of a spell; when you flip up a manifested creature you have to pay its mana cost, which is typically the starting point for figuring out the casting cost but is a different thing. As an illustration of the difference, the casting cost of Makeshift Mauler is "3U, exile a creature in your graveyard" but because its mana cost is only 3U you wouldn't have to do the exile bit to flip it up from manifest. Similarly, if there was a way to give Delve to spells with kicker, you'd be able to pay for kicker costs with Delve even though that's not part of the mana cost - say, kicked Benalish Lancer for "WW and exiling four cards from my graveyard."
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Chose Mardu for my prerelease, opened my packs and built a sweet UG deck. Highlights included beating an Ugin that was in play for 4 or 5 turns and beating turn 3 Dragon's Eye Savants->turn 4 Castle Siege->turn 5 Yasova with more support(including an Alesha later).
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So I got the luckiest day for rares today and I'm pretty sure tomorrow I'm going to get dick for 2HG. First flight, I got Torrent Elemental, Flamewake Phoenix, Master of Pearls, Supplant Form, Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest, Shaman of the Great Hunt and my promo was Sage-Eye Avengers. My Jeskai pool was pretty good. Ran in to an Abzan deck in the final round that blew me out game one and I got mana screwed game two. Second flight I pulled Silumgar, the Drifting Death, another Torrent Elemental, Wingmate Roc, Atarka, the World Render, two Noxious Dragons and my promo was Ojutai, Soul of Winter and all the mana fixing. Sleeved up five color Dragons.Dec and lost only one game to a Mardu deck that threw an assload of tokens and Trumpet Blasts before I could stabilize. Pretty good day, feels good.
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Went abzan today and my box didn't have a seeded pack. I called judge and said I was missing a pack and he laughed cuz he thought I was joking. New pool 5 minutes later was pretty busted. The bolster x where x is the number of tapped dudes you have is unbelievable. Every game where they did not kill him instantly was easily won. Follow up with good removal and a few on color rares and it was 3-0-1 (4th round I.D.  ) without dropping a game.Also top 8s at a prerelease is one of the dumbest things I've heard. Who wants to stick around for that when there's no invite or anything on the line, especially if it's 5 AM or some poo poo.
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Went 4-1 as Temur, losing my only match against to a guy who got the Manifest factory enchantment out and just overran me. Those were the only games I lost on the back of Yasova, Torrent Elemental, Supplant Form and Crater's Claws. All my rares were on color although I didn't play Arcbond since that's the opposite of what you want to be doing as Temur Big Dudes. Brian Kibler was at this prerelease and every time I heard him talking he was telling someone how much MTGO sucks. 
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Angry Grimace posted:Brian Kibler was at this prerelease and every time I heard him talking he was telling someone how much MTGO sucks. I have great respect for Kibler, and it is mostly off the back of the diligence and consistency with which he shits all over MTGO given half an opening.
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GonSmithe posted:How many people played in your pool that you only got 4 loving packs for going 4-0? Jesus. I went 4-0 and got 12 with around 50~ people. I went 4-1 and got 5. There was a fuckload of grumbling in the room about this so I imagine this is a new thing.
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Went abzan today and my box didn't have a seeded pack. My Mardu box was missing 2 fate boosters. Get your poo poo together Wizards.
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A pack a win has always been how my lgs handles prerelease and release nights as far as I know, and it makes sense as these events are supposed to be the most welcoming and casual events. Wizards probably wants more of the newer folks leaving with a pack or two rather than the spikes taking the Lions share.
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AFAIK Wizards provides two packs per player which must go into the prize pool, but how that prize pool is actually distributed is up to the store. Some stores pay out a very flat prize structure (pack-per-win isn't unusual, and the local store here even runs "casual" flights were you get the same number of "prize" boosters at the end not matter what your record is), while others pay out something a little more top-heavy.
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My LGS is small and we just got our first 32 player event today mostly due to pack per win payout. The pre-releases before that were more top heavy pay outs. Also yay we can host pre-ptqs!
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Just caught up on the thread and all I can say is the salt is strong tonight.
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The other day I played one of the best games I've ever played. It was against two of my buds, we grew up playing Magic and stopped for a while, then started getting back into it recently. Can't say that we're into the tournament stuff, casual play's always been good. It's weird coming back and seeing poo poo like planeswalkers, they're drat weird. Mythics were a welcome surprise though. Anyways, on to the game. I made a deck around Emrakul. It's built to pull as many cards as I can, as fast as I can, using Spellbook to keep my hand stacked. It also forces opponents to draw and discard from their library as much as me. The deal is that I've got Aphetto Alchemist on the field, enchanted with Diplomatic Immunity. Nobody goes for it because hey, my deck isn't stacked with that many creatures, it's mostly artifacts. It's not a threat, and if you take out the artifacts the thing is useless anyways, so why bother? Well, I get Emrakul out onto the field and by this time everyone has maybe twenty cards left in their deck. So Emrakul picks off the dude with the lifegain deck, brings him from 42 to nil in two turns thanks to the alchemist. Then after he's dead I pull Rush of Knowledge and play it so I can end the other guy quickly on the next turn. Spellbook + Rush of Knowledge + Emrakul = My hand now has most of the cards in my deck. Well, it's his turn. Emrakul and the Alchemist are tapped from taking out the other guy. I have no other creatures in play and four cards in my library. The other dude attacks me with a 1/3 and a 2/2. Not enough to kill me, right? The combination of Farsight Mask and Howling Mine reduces my library to zero when my draw phase comes around. He wins the game. gently caress that was an amazing game. I'd probably have seen that one coming if I wasn't drunk.
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Sealed kind of has that aspect to it. You can be a great player and get hosed by a guy you know isn't that good but has a sweet pool because you had garbage.
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