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Raskolnikov38 posted:Wouldn't it really be that much worse if we just made Vince McMahon dictator for life? *cut to the stage where Romney, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul are debating the Lily Ledbetter Act. Faint music comes on and starts to grow louder* Can that be!? I think I'm hearing McMahon's music!
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quote:“It’s a tragedy -- a human tragedy – that the middle class in this country by and large doesn’t believe the future won’t be better than the past or their kids will have a brighter future of their own,” Romney said. He added, “People want to see rising wages and they deserve them.”
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katlington posted:Isn't this a double negative saying the opposite of what he's intending? Nope, its tragic people won't play their class roles.
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katlington posted:Isn't this a double negative saying the opposite of what he's intending? You presumably lived through Bush 2: Bush Harder, and you still think the words in political speech takes precedence over the music?
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Lote posted:*cut to the stage where Romney, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul are debating the Lily Ledbetter Act. Faint music comes on and starts to grow louder* Does he hit them with a chair? Because I could go for that.
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Exactly. Someone tell those jerks that Piketty is old 2014 news, while 2015 is the year of sustainable development or something. It's almost a pity we won't get to hear from Paul Ryan again, especially once Francis publishes his environment encyclical.
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Jan 18, 2015 14:04
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@BillKristol: Ben Carson is more likely to be the 2016 GOP nominee that Mitt Romney. http://t.co/dORqstuiaG Romney it is, then!
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Trevor Hale posted:@BillKristol: Ben Carson is more likely to be the 2016 GOP nominee that Mitt Romney.  I love Bill Kristol so much, he's just so excited to be wrong.
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Caros posted:Does he hit them with a chair? Because I could go for that. Then Newt lowers into the ring in a spacesuit and fights Vince for the rights to the first low-gravity cage match on the Moon
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Trevor Hale posted:@BillKristol: Ben Carson is more likely to be the 2016 GOP nominee that Mitt Romney. Has Bill Kristol been right about anything in his entire career?
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fool_of_sound posted:Has Bill Kristol been right about anything in his entire career? No
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Lote posted:Can that be!? I think I'm hearing McMahon's music! NO CHANCE to win the nomination THAT'S WHAT YOU GOT
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Mother Jones has an article up pointing out that since the 2012 cycle, Romney has become more deeply involved in running Solamere Capital, an investment firm started by his son Taggart and a former Romney-for-Prez staffer. If he runs again, he'll face pressure for Solamere to disclose its investors and publicize details of its investments, which might show conflicts of interest, highlight potential favoritism, or reveal that he's still making money off slashing or outsourcing American jobs. Of course, if he doesn't do it, he looks even more like he's got something to hide than he did with the tax returns--who's going to be the first of his primary opponents to step up and hammer him on it?
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Considering he got the nomination without even putting out more than a year of his taxes, it seems the ones voting for him don't give a poo poo.
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You can't point that out without also making mention of his own father, from beyond the grave, being the one to rally against releasing a single year of taxes. Its such a beautiful world we live in.
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joeburz posted:Considering he got the nomination without even putting out more than a year of his taxes, it seems the ones voting for him don't give a poo poo. He won the nomination mostly because he outspent his competition. It's clear that in the general race his refusal contributed to his scummy businessman image.
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Chantilly Say posted:Mother Jones has an article up pointing out that since the 2012 cycle, Romney has become more deeply involved in running Solamere Capital, an investment firm started by his son Taggart and a former Romney-for-Prez staffer. If he runs again, he'll face pressure for Solamere to disclose its investors and publicize details of its investments, which might show conflicts of interest, highlight potential favoritism, or reveal that he's still making money off slashing or outsourcing American jobs. Of course, if he doesn't do it, he looks even more like he's got something to hide than he did with the tax returns--who's going to be the first of his primary opponents to step up and hammer him on it? See that's my thing with Romney2016 - if he had spent the last 2 years doing charity or whatever, he'd have an argument for "turned over a new leaf" or "all that vulture-capitalism stuff is in my past", but instead he went right back to it.
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Chantilly Say posted:Mother Jones has an article up pointing out that since the 2012 cycle, Romney has become more deeply involved in running Solamere Capital, an investment firm started by his son Taggart and a former Romney-for-Prez staffer. If he runs again, he'll face pressure for Solamere to disclose its investors and publicize details of its investments, which might show conflicts of interest, highlight potential favoritism, or reveal that he's still making money off slashing or outsourcing American jobs. Of course, if he doesn't do it, he looks even more like he's got something to hide than he did with the tax returns--who's going to be the first of his primary opponents to step up and hammer him on it? The man from Texas who wears glasses, speaks Spanish, and can remember the third one, that's who.
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Is Ben Carson going to be this year's version of Ron Paul - sucking up massive amounts of money from stupid people despite not having any chance of winning? Because I swear I have seen more Ben Carson 2016 bumper stickers on the cars of stupid looking people than I ever saw Ron Paul bumper stickers. And I saw a lot of Ron Paul bumper stickers, so...
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OctoberBlues posted:Is Ben Carson going to be this year's version of Ron Paul - sucking up massive amounts of money from stupid people despite not having any chance of winning? Because I swear I have seen more Ben Carson 2016 bumper stickers on the cars of stupid looking people than I ever saw Ron Paul bumper stickers. And I saw a lot of Ron Paul bumper stickers, so... For what it's worth I've seen zero Carson supporters amongst the campuses I've dropped by, whereas there was at least SOME support for Ron Paul. Though the only Carson bumper sticker I've seen was on the pickup truck of this methed out baby boomer white guy living in section 8 housing.
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OctoberBlues posted:Is Ben Carson going to be this year's version of Ron Paul - sucking up massive amounts of money from stupid people despite not having any chance of winning? Because I swear I have seen more Ben Carson 2016 bumper stickers on the cars of stupid looking people than I ever saw Ron Paul bumper stickers. And I saw a lot of Ron Paul bumper stickers, so... I supposed it's to their credit that the Tea Party loves crazy more than they hate black.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:For what it's worth I've seen zero Carson supporters amongst the campuses I've dropped by, whereas there was at least SOME support for Ron Paul. I've seen a ton around here (disclaimer: crazy conservative college campus) but it's primarily from religious people rather than the atheist Paul types.
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Carson pulls from a very different pool than Paul. Carson's base of religious single-issue anti-abortion no-really-I'm-not-racist voters will switch to Huckabee or another candidate the second Carson says something apocalyptically stupid, which should be about 30 seconds into the first debate.
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Yeah, I didn't mean it was the same people, just that stupid people in general would donate a lot of money to Carson.
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I still don't see it. Carson is the type of person that absolutely bristles at the thought of not being deferred to as the smartest and most accomplished self made man in the room. He wants to be president and I think he's more likely to end up in serious debt pursuing that goal than he is to come out ahead.
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It's beginning to look a lot like Lindsay Graham is going to run. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/graham-obama-policies-getting-people-killed
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:It's beginning to look a lot like Lindsay Graham is going to run. I really need this now that the Xbox One has settled into a position of moribund retreat from public engagement. Yes, I live off PR disasters.
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With regards to the "you don't need white working class voters": while I suppose you could reproduce 2012 in 2016 easily, trying to ignore or even alienate them beyond that is tough, especially for House races in the near term without some momentous court case that bans gerrymandering (it won't happen). Right now there are still a number of "blue wall" or even swing states states that are shrinking and becoming older and whiter (Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania). If the counterbalance is Texas (good loving luck), this might be an issue. It is possible to be pro-working class of all types and not alienate the parts of the "base" that don't already alienate easily anyway ("no full coal AND nuke ban? Not my President!") and are pretty irrelevant. I mean, Webb is going nowhere, but I've seen a lot of people say his environmental stances are the biggest issue and there are big chunks of the Obama Coalition for whom those issues are not at the top (recent immigrants, Hispanics, poorer African Americans). I don't expect that Hillary will be running that far away from Webb's positions.
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De Nomolos posted:With regards to the "you don't need white working class voters": while I suppose you could reproduce 2012 in 2016 easily, trying to ignore or even alienate them beyond that is tough, especially for House races in the near term without some momentous court case that bans gerrymandering (it won't happen). Oh, see, when I talk about Webb alienating the base, I don't mean self-described progressives or environmentalists, I mean the actual base - new Americans, women, Hispanics, African-Americans. It's absolutely possible to be pro-working class broadly - as we saw with Bernie Sanders, the risk you run is coming off a bit ignorant by trying to pivot away from very real issues on racial lines by studiously talking only about class lines. This is not Jim Webb. Jim Webb's biggest problems are his positions on women, minorities, and really just Democratic demographics generally. Webb is really making a play for the part of Hillary's 08 primary electorate that voted against Obama more than for her, and how she reacts to that has serious implications for the party (if his challenge actually materializes). The Warszawa fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Jan 18, 2015 |
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The Warszawa posted:Oh, see, when I talk about Webb alienating the base, I don't mean self-described progressives or environmentalists, I mean the actual base - new Americans, women, Hispanics, African-Americans. I get that about Webb, but beyond that, it seems like the entire "ignore the white working class" strategy is prefaced on "demographics as destiny" and especially on strategies like assuming Texas, Arizona, and Georgia are on the way and will replace or be added to shrinking, whiter states like in the MW. They're still gonna need seats and votes in areas where you can't win on War on Women and the DREAM Act. They'd be better off focusing on more cross-categorical stuff. I think Hillary gets that, more than Webb whose looking to get anti-Obama voters (though his criminal justice reforms are something that could be cross-categorical if anyone will listen) and Sanders whose just being an old socialist. De Nomolos fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jan 18, 2015 |
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I don't think anyone is saying ignore the white working class, but I don't see where the give is at the presidential level, or how deemphasizing explicitly minority-friendly policies won't be read as an abandonment of those groups by those groups (which will depress turnout). Moreover, I don't see how that wouldn't actually be an abandonment. Like Hillary has already effectively bailed on the DREAM Act and is getting backlash for it, though from what I understand she's reacted by reiterating her support. It just doesn't seem like there's a lot of wiggle room here. The Warszawa fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Jan 18, 2015 |
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fool_of_sound posted:Has Bill Kristol been right about anything in his entire career? Only when he said "people will actually pay me for this poo poo"
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OctoberBlues posted:Is Ben Carson going to be this year's version of Ron Paul - sucking up massive amounts of money from stupid people despite not having any chance of winning? Because I swear I have seen more Ben Carson 2016 bumper stickers on the cars of stupid looking people than I ever saw Ron Paul bumper stickers. And I saw a lot of Ron Paul bumper stickers, so... Most of the Carson2016 stickers seem to be on the cars of people that want him to be their "Black Friend" more than anything, or are upset that the Dems got to elect one first and they want to show that they're totally not racist. shadow puppet of a posted:This is going to be the greatest republican primary ever. I'm so pumped to watch it unfold. Graham and Paul on the same stage together is going to be incredible.
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I wonder how many Republicans they can fit onto the stage of a debate, cus it seems we've reached a breaking point and every Republican in the nation is going for it. I mean lol:  and that's without Romney and Graham.
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It's weird to see the GOP coming full circle and running on fixing Washington, hope and change and things like income disparity. Next they'll be calling for diplomatic solutions to Iran and ISIS and curbing military spending.Sheng-ji Yang posted:
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Why is Kasich on that list? Is he even being considered a serious candidate? And I'm tickled at the idea that Lindsey loving Graham thinks he will make it out of the clown car that is the GOP primary field. He's not loony enough to appeal to the Tea Party, not "moderate" enough to appeal to that rapidly-shrinking faction of the GOP base, and the entire Republican voterbase thinks he's gay.
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:I wonder how many Republicans they can fit onto the stage of a debate, cus it seems we've reached a breaking point and every Republican in the nation is going for it. Meanwhile, in the politoons thread:  What a handful of winners!
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Alter Ego posted:Why is Kasich on that list? Is he even being considered a serious candidate? Yes. He's run for President before, has said he's considering it, and won his last election overwhelmingly. The electoral victory had a lot to do with his Democratic challenger being terrible and getting caught in his car with a woman who wasn't his wife at 4am, but still.
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BiggerBoat posted:It's weird to see the GOP coming full circle and running on fixing Washington, hope and change and things like income disparity. Next they'll be calling for diplomatic solutions to Iran and ISIS and curbing military spending. Basically the GOP is a giant clusterfuck, with Mitt and Jeb slightly frontrunners for now. Mitt will probably continue to look strong for a while because 47% of the country did vote for him to president in 2012, so at least some chunk of those people had to actually like him. There's no way he's running away with the primary like that second poll implies though, unless something insane happens like Bush and a major candidate not perceived as a moderate endorsing him early.
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Hobnob posted:Meanwhile, in the politoons thread: So the Democrats pass the Old Maid to the Elephant and the game ends because the Donkey is no longer holding any cards. The Elephant is holding a variety of non-paired cards, and he is at a significant disadvantage to win the game. A good cartoon
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