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Honestly this is the thing I find most insidious about the Pauls. They say one or two reasonable things about foreign policy and drone strikes and weed (which if you listen past the 5th second don't sound all that reasonable anymore), and it confers undue legitimacy to the rest of their horrible opinions to a lot of low-info voters.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Honestly this is the thing I find most insidious about the Pauls. They say one or two reasonable things about foreign policy and drone strikes and weed (which if you listen past the 5th second don't sound all that reasonable anymore), and it confers undue legitimacy to the rest of their horrible opinions to a lot of low-info voters. Unfortunately there is a large portion of politically unaware people who are active voters that think FYGM extends to any kind of foreign interaction, it just happens to resemble pacifism compared to current policy.
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Jan 19, 2015 19:57
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:He's got my vote for the primary. http://www.balloon-juice.com/2015/01/19/open-thread-both-sides-of-injustice/ quote:America’s civil rights journey in two sentences:
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Jan 19, 2015 20:09
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To be fair it is true that electing Rand Paul would change things.
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Jan 19, 2015 20:12
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GreyPowerVan posted:I'd vote for him. The person who would be the perfect candidate for me would be me, of course.
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Jan 19, 2015 20:13
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I think a lot of Libertarians and Libertarian wannabes look at Rand and see his dad's legacy without looking at the fact that he's slowly been walking it back in order to appeal more to the Republican base. At this point he's Ted Cruz with less outright idiocy. He's even slowly fallen in line with party rhetoric on the military.
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Jan 19, 2015 20:18
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A new MLK speech has been unearthed. It's powerful:MLK posted:It may be true that you can’t legislate integration, but you can legislate desegregation. It may be true that morality cannot be legislated, but behavior can be regulated. It may be true that the law can’t change the heart, but it can restrain the heartless. It may be true that the law can’t make a man love me, but it can restrain him from lynching me. And I think that’s pretty important also.
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Jan 19, 2015 20:21
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Nativity In Black posted:I think a lot of Libertarians and Libertarian wannabes look at Rand and see his dad's legacy without looking at the fact that he's slowly been walking it back in order to appeal more to the Republican base. At this point he's Ted Cruz with less outright idiocy. He's even slowly fallen in line with party rhetoric on the military. His drone flop was perfect evidence of this.
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Jan 19, 2015 20:22
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FAUXTON posted:His drone flop was perfect evidence of this. Wait, he managed to go from "I'm okay with drone striking urban feral shoplifters" to "aw gently caress it blow up the Arabs"?
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Jan 19, 2015 20:23
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CommieGIR posted:The fact that anybody treats Ron 'Northern Aggression' Paul and Rand 'Self-Certified Doctor' Paul as anything more than circus sideshows disturbs me. Rand Paul is actually a really good eye doctor, iirc.
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Jan 19, 2015 20:34
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Jesus Christ just when you thought they reached pinnacle transphobia quote:GOP Kentucky Senator C.B. Embry has introduced a bill authorizing students to sue their schools for $2500 each time they encounter a trans person using the "wrong" restroom, locker room, or shower.
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Jan 19, 2015 20:36
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Wait, he managed to go from "I'm okay with drone striking urban feral shoplifters" to "aw gently caress it blow up the Arabs"? Well he's been remarkably quiet about drone strikes since his little tantrum.
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Jan 19, 2015 20:41
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Calling it: this is about the time a transgendered person saw his disgusting penis in a public restroom and wasn't suitably aroused.
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Jan 19, 2015 20:44
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GreyPowerVan posted:Rand Paul is actually a really good eye doctor, iirc. Doesn't matter, he wants to apply caveat emptor to loving medical practices. gently caress him. Ben Carson is a really talented neurosurgeon, he's also a complete moron.
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Jan 19, 2015 20:47
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GreyPowerVan posted:I'd vote for him. If it were between him and Clinton and someone held a gun to my head I'd vote for him.
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CommieGIR posted:Doesn't matter, he wants to apply caveat emptor to loving medical practices. gently caress him. It's been a while since I read on it, but he literally left their optometry board and founded his own because they were grandfathering in old doctors and not requiring them to recertify or keep up with the current research. EDIT: Found it. He passed his certification on the first try. Eikipedia posted:In 1995, Paul passed the American Board of Ophthalmology (ABO) boards on his first attempt and earned board-certification under the ABO for 10 years. In 1997, to protest the ABO's 1992 decision to grandfather in older ophthalmologists and not require them to be recertified every 10 years in order to maintain their status as board-certified practitioners, Paul, along with 200 other ophthalmologists, formed the National Board of Ophthalmology (NBO) to offer an alternative ophthalmology certification system.[28][29] The NBO was incorporated in 1999, but he allowed it to be dissolved in 2000 after not filing the required paperwork with the Kentucky Secretary of State's office.
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GreyPowerVan posted:It's been a while since I read on it, but he literally left their optometry board and founded his own because they were grandfathering in old doctors and not requiring them to recertify or keep up with the current research. Okay fine, let's look at his other achievements: quote:On May 11th, 2011, Rand Paul stated that a right to health care equals slavery for health care workers, since you now "have a right to come to my house and conscript me" and "have a right to beat down my door with the police, escort me away and force me to take care of you." He's insane, okay? quote:Paul is also a member of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS), a fringe group of conservative quacks that denies the link between HIV and AIDS and claims that Barack Obama won the presidency through some form of mind control.[16] They're also the generous providers of Andrew Schlafly's wingnut welfare. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Physicians_and_Surgeons quote:Articles and commentaries published in the journal have argued a number of non-mainstream or scientifically discredited claims,[1] including: But, like Carson, he's obviously good at his medical practice. That does not make it a redeeming feature.
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Joe Biden is clearly an insane idiot because every smart person knows you need a dozen firearms in an unlocked gun case. Anything less means that The Base will behead you in front of your children. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pYqquG27pg Post 9-11 User fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Jan 19, 2015 |
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Jan 19, 2015 21:03
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I never claimed he wasn't insane, just that calling him 'self-certified' wasn't really fair.
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GreyPowerVan posted:I never claimed he wasn't insane, just that calling him 'self-certified' wasn't really fair. Thats a fair call, and you were right. However, he holds medical views that basically advocate such views.
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Jan 19, 2015 21:10
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CommieGIR posted:Thats a fair call, and you were right. I agree, I did not know he was part of AAPS.
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Jan 19, 2015 21:15
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RuanGacho posted:I want Warren to continue with her current success of pulling the Democrats more leftward while the right wing covers their ears and loudly hums over Mitt Romney's cynical pandering. Running for pres will just invite the Obama effect from Republicans and we need to get financial equality more entrenched in the American psyche before trying to kill the corporate hydra. She is continuing to use her position as Senator to prod Hillary Clinton and other Democrats to the left though. quote:Being the target of [Warren's] kind of focus can be an excruciating experience — the freshest case in point being investment banker Antonio Weiss, whom President Obama put forward last year as his nominee for Treasury undersecretary for domestic finance. Initially seen as a highly credentialed and noncontroversial pick for a low-profile post, Weiss found himself up against a storm of opposition, led by Warren, who said he was yet another example of Wall Street cronyism within the Obama administration.
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fade5 posted:This, right here. We need to start shoving the Overton window back to the left, and Warren can do that a lot better as a Senator than while running for president. Besides, Warren has said that she's not running for President multiple times, and the "no, she totally is running" shtick is honestly getting a little old now. If she is actually gaining influence in the party, then that's a good thing. She has fairly good stances for a Democrat.
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Jan 19, 2015 22:28
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Honestly this is the thing I find most insidious about the Pauls. They say one or two reasonable things about foreign policy and drone strikes and weed (which if you listen past the 5th second don't sound all that reasonable anymore), and it confers undue legitimacy to the rest of their horrible opinions to a lot of low-info voters. Maybe if Rand Paul wasn't one of the few people talking about the drug war and incarceration rates and how those things are so disproportionately harmful to blacks and especially young black males this wouldn't be a real phenomenon. Maybe if all sorts of Democrats were talking about these issues and introducing legislation to correct it like they ought to be no one would give crazy old uncle Paul a second look. The entire reason this happens is because Rand Paul is doing the things that Democrats are too cowardly to do and as a result is energizing a base of younger liberal-leaning people who don't see the Democrats as doing anything on these issues that they care about, because they aren't. That's not to say that Rand Paul isn't terrible on most issues, but it's perfectly understandable why he has the support that he has.
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MaxxBot posted:Maybe if Rand Paul wasn't one of the few people talking about the drug war and incarceration rates and how those things are so disproportionately harmful to blacks and especially young black males this wouldn't be a real phenomenon. Maybe if all sorts of Democrats were talking about these issues and introducing legislation to correct it like they ought to be no one would give crazy old uncle Paul a second look. The entire reason this happens is because Rand Paul is doing the things that Democrats are too cowardly to do and as a result is energizing a base of younger liberal-leaning people who don't see the Democrats as doing anything on these issues that they care about, because they aren't. Rand Paul is making noises but he also says he supports using drones to kill people who steal from liquor stores. He's Romney in a more attractive package.
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If Rand Paul really wants to solve the problems with the justice system (an actual good thing to want) he can do that better from the legislature anyway.
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computer parts posted:Rand Paul is making noises but he also says he supports using drones to kill people who steal from liquor stores. He's Romney in a more attractive package. He's probably about even with Romney on average ideologically but he gets there by being somewhat more civilly libertarian but also farther right on economics. My point is that Rand Paul actually has sentencing reform legislation that he's pushing along with Cory Booker and is willing to go so far as he wants to "end the war on drugs." Meanwhile few Democrats have put forward much concrete policy on criminal justice reform and most of them say tepid bullshit about it or flat out oppose it. No Democrats or young people would care about Rand Paul if not for the fact that Dems weren't especially poor on criminal justice and civil liberties issues. EDIT: I hold Democrats and Republicans to somewhat of a different standard on this issue because I see the Democrats as purposely staking out a position to the right of their base while someone like Rand is clearly to the left of his base. Democrats and especially the Democratic base support legalization, it's pretty much impossible to argue that progressive values don't support legalization, yet the actual politicians just tell the base to gently caress off. Rand Paul on the other hand is going directly against most of the base and the establishment with his positions, with nothing to get but some young libertarians who are passionate but probably do not vote or donate in large numbers. MaxxBot fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Jan 19, 2015 |
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MaxxBot posted:He's probably about even with Romney on average ideologically but he gets there be being somewhat more civilly libertarian but also farther right on economics. My point is that Rand Paul actually has sentencing reform legislation that he's pushing along with Cory Booker and is willing to go so far as he wants to "end the war on drugs." Meanwhile few Democrats have put forward much concrete policy on criminal justice reform and most of them say tepid bullshit about it or flat out oppose it. No Democrats or young people would care about Rand Paul if not for the fact that Dems weren't especially poor on criminal justice and civil liberties issues. What is Rand Paul's polling among minorities (especially youth)? It's already been shown that young white people are about as racist as white people at large so that conclusion doesn't support the hypothesis if he draws primarily from the traditional Paul crowd.
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Jan 19, 2015 22:47
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MaxxBot posted:He's probably about even with Romney on average ideologically but he gets there by being somewhat more civilly libertarian but also farther right on economics. My point is that Rand Paul actually has sentencing reform legislation that he's pushing along with Cory Booker and is willing to go so far as he wants to "end the war on drugs." Meanwhile few Democrats have put forward much concrete policy on criminal justice reform and most of them say tepid bullshit about it or flat out oppose it. No Democrats or young people would care about Rand Paul if not for the fact that Dems weren't especially poor on criminal justice and civil liberties issues. He'd also like to reform the American Disabilities Act because its 'unfair to businesses' and a whole bunch of other libertarian bullshit. So he'd end the war on drugs, that's great, he'd bring so much baggage the war on drugs ending would be a footnote.
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GreyPowerVan posted:Who would people even think is a perfect candidate? FDR's corpse? Japanese internment happened under FDR so no he's pretty far from perfect. Hopefully this just leads to schools adding tons of gender-neutral bathrooms.
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Jan 19, 2015 22:48
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Is transgender stuff with bathrooms an actual problem in schools, regarding the students themselves, or a make-believe problem that parents came up with?
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Jan 19, 2015 22:50
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Samurai Sanders posted:Is transgender stuff with bathrooms an actual problem in schools, regarding the students themselves, or a make-believe problem that parents came up with? Is this a rhetorical question?
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On that note, the NYT had a weird concern piece on whether transmen are an existential threat to women's colleges.
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Letters from a community detention center:quote:“AN INTERESTING PARALLEL: MLK was targeted by J. Edgar Hoover, an unsavory character; I was targeted by the equally unsavory B. Hussein Obama. edit lmao quote:SOUL BROTHERS: Obama gets along so well with guys like Holder and Sharpton because they are all shakedown artists of one sort or another quote:WE LAWBREAKERS GOTTA STICK TOGETHER: I'm excited to celebrate the life and legacy of my fellow lawbreaker & jailbird Martin Luther King Jr. i say swears online fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Jan 19, 2015 |
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Is this a rhetorical question? But yeah, I'm expecting the answer is no and it's about adults imagining sexy situations in school bathrooms. Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Jan 19, 2015 |
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Rand Paul is the worst kind of politician. He blabbers on about problems without offering solutions beyond a hand job to the free market. Sure he can talk about the prison problem all he wants but does he do poo poo to solve it? gently caress no (beyond said hj). poo poo, his whole rant about that started because he thinks the GOP's failures with minority vote is a messaging problem. He crams "conservative can't fail" down your throat. He's so good at it he even has some of y'all willing to vote for him over some -D's. You're an idiot if you can't see through his poo poo. I really don't like Rand Paul.
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Aliquid posted:Letters from a community detention center: There's something else that those "Soul Brothers" have in common too but it seems to have slipped my mind.
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Steve Scalise likes Martin Luther King Day, even though he voted against making it a federal holiday twice. https://twitter.com/SteveScalise/status/557273947830767617 This guy...
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Samurai Sanders posted:Well...maybe. Was it based on even one incident of a student feeling uncomfortable about it? The most common issue I'm aware of involving transgender people and restrooms is transwomen getting beaten up. Supposedly there was a single incident of one dude creeping on women in a homeless shelter's bathroom that's trotted out every time a Duggar is championing a bigoted law.
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CommieGIR posted:He'd also like to reform the American Disabilities Act because its 'unfair to businesses' and a whole bunch of other libertarian bullshit. Yes of course, when you scratch below the surface of his political positions the more you look the uglier it gets. I just think that to a certain segment of young, white, mostly male voters his message resonates because they see him talking about things they care about but don't see many other politicians willing to bring up. The solution is to get more Democrats, the people who are supposed to be supporting this poo poo anyways, to stand up and say the same poo poo he is saying without the hidden conservative agenda behind it.
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