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Vermain posted:Again, you'd still eventually hit a wall of people figuring out the optimal right-side gear to use, or (perhaps even worse) figuring out the optimal right-side gear to use per encounter. We'd be right back in the Resist Fight toilet. If you want to design an MMO where people can just play whatever they want, you really have to design the entire game around the concept. It's not something you can shoehorn in. homeless snail posted:That stuff is great in regular FF games and that was the spirit behind the 1.x itemization, but there are no choices in MMOs. There's "right" and then stuff that people will scream about you using. You guys aren't wrong, but if we're not yelling at pubbie DPS who do 200 DPS in i110-120 gear, then I'm not sure the playerbase will care if player X has 90% Optimal Right Side vs. 100% Optimal Right Side. And even in endgame right now, the hardest non-Savage encounters don't require perfection at max ilvl. My static is good enough to clear T12, and both in my static and in that T13 pickup I was in, people haven't been freaking out about 450 DPS vs. 550 DPS. Just playing devil's advocate, really, because I like item enchantments that aren't the same few stats.
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pksage posted:You guys aren't wrong, but if we're not yelling at pubbie DPS who do 200 DPS in i110-120 gear, then I'm not sure the playerbase will care if player X has 90% Optimal Right Side vs. 100% Optimal Right Side. And even in endgame right now, the hardest non-Savage encounters don't require perfection at max ilvl. My static is good enough to clear T12, and both in my static and in that T13 pickup I was in, people haven't been freaking out about 450 DPS vs. 550 DPS. Well the thing is, the 200 dps pubbies will think they are doing perfectly fine, so there is no reason for them to not scream at you for not having your ring of ogre slaying +1 equipped, never give poo poo players leverage to scream at you, imho.
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They can put interesting enchantments on items when they figure out how to make all the stats they currently have useful first. Baby Steps.
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Please make skill speed affect autoattacks thanks yoshi
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I'm stupidly considering pulling an all nighter tonight even though there's a 100% likelyhood that maintenance will be extended past 3AM PST.
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Mr. Nice! posted:We cleared on Friday for the first time with a DPS who had never stepped foot in the battle and me as a 111 warrior with a 110 axe because our usual tank was out with work. 2 blackfires and 5 Bennus is still very doable. We had one or two deaths on the final phase and still beat the enrage. Man. With some tightening up I think we can bypass the sixth bennu, but we are just barely avoiding the third blackfire as it is now. Maybe we just need to spend a few more weeks farming T10-11 for drops, but I'll see if I can figure out where more dps can be squeezed out.
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For an MMO or RPG in general the gear, stats, and abilities in this game are really boring. But the benefit is that everything is really well balanced and they're able to design around a lot of assumptions that end up making the game fun to play.
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Having good DPS can completely change how fight is done. For example, we don't tank swap at all in Turn 12 because we do it with three Bennus. If you're playing a DPS class (actually any class) you should take it upon yourself to be doing as much as you possibly can.
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Chyea posted:Having good DPS can completely change how fight is done. For example, we don't tank swap at all in Turn 12 because we do it with three Bennus. If you're playing a DPS class (actually any class) you should take it upon yourself to be doing as much as you possibly can. I would say that anyone at i120 or higher should be able to pull 500 sustained DPS without too much trouble (barring interruptions like Wild Charge, getting the Bluefire marker, Earth Shaker, etc.) I consider myself a very average, non-bleeding-edge DRG and I pull about 560 in T13 without potions @ i122. Burst is around 700 depending on crits. edit: For T12 phase 1 specifically, melee DPS targeted by Whitefire can wait until the last second to move out, usually only losing one GCD. If you have a BLM, make them solely responsible for AOEing down the Blackfires and keep the other DPS on the boss at all times. For Bennus, give 2 or 3 GCDs in the center, then move it to the death spot, letting ranged kill it so melee can stay on the boss. pksage fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Jan 19, 2015 |
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Thundarr posted:Man. With some tightening up I think we can bypass the sixth bennu, but we are just barely avoiding the third blackfire as it is now. Maybe we just need to spend a few more weeks farming T10-11 for drops, but I'll see if I can figure out where more dps can be squeezed out. Unless they're seriously undergeared, it sounds like your DPS is way behind the curve in terms of their rotations/performance in general. You might want to talk with them about checking up on stuff like that. Don't be afraid to parse with ACT, it can really help you figure out what works/what doesn't. Just don't talk numbers through in-game chat. Either that, or you're handling a mechanic in a certain sub-optimal way that's causing your DPS to not enough enough uptime on the boss/drop stacks/etc.
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Fancy Corndog posted:For an MMO or RPG in general the gear, stats, and abilities in this game are really boring. Yeah like, maybe I play RPGs for different reasons than some/most people, but I'm more interested in the mechanics of the class, controls, and encounter/monster design than I am in gear interactions. I'd be a happy camper if stats didn't exist at all beyond "take less damage," "do more damage," and "heal more damage" if the fights were still engaging and buttons were fun to press.
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Hard for me to directly monitor my own dps since I play on PS4, but I'm consistently topping my group's list for the (unsuccessful) full fight parse of T12 at around 450-470 as a monk. I know there are things I could do to tighten up my rotations but I'm not sure about 100 dps worth. And I was recruited because everybody in multiple coil LSes thought I was a beast.  This probably doesn't count for much, since so far the only T13 win on my server came from a group that transfered in.
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Thundarr posted:Man. With some tightening up I think we can bypass the sixth bennu, but we are just barely avoiding the third blackfire as it is now. Maybe we just need to spend a few more weeks farming T10-11 for drops, but I'll see if I can figure out where more dps can be squeezed out. We got 5 bennies the first time we stumbled in there, with just one person with an upgraded weapon. Something is going wrong with either how you are handling the encounter or with how people are playing.
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450 to 470 on t12 as a monk is around 100 under where you should be unless you don't have a 120 weapon You're loving up your rotation or you have legacy camera and you're missing auto attacks
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So with 2.5 upon us, what is your order of excitement for new things? For me, I'll probably tackle things in this order: Main quest World of Darkness New Instances Hildibrand/Greg2 Odin I'm also really curious if the Alexandrite drop boost will be meaningful at all.
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Mordiceius posted:So with 2.5 upon us, what is your order of excitement for new things? Opening full patch notes and CTRL+F "Savage" with a mad sense of false hope.
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pksage posted:You guys aren't wrong, but if we're not yelling at pubbie DPS who do 200 DPS in i110-120 gear This is only because we can't. I've seen some serious poo poo in expert roulette, but I generally just adjust the pack sizes I pull accordingly since asking that dragoon why they're doing 130 dps with an i110 weapon is a good way to get banned  It was even worse in 1.0 with its Glorious Itemlevelless Horizontal Progression because you'd try to get together a group of people to finally get United We Stand done for like the fifth loving time that week and after hours of sac pulling through the castrum find out that in actual combat everyone hits like a wet noodle and not even bringing along Stu and Neph and Chad and a couple other goons who know what they're doing can save the run from just how badly geared and terrible these players are and for gently caress's sake I just spent 20 hours doing caravan escort to get this loving axe why don't these people have any basic goddamned courtesy of gearing themselves at least a little bit before coming along holy gently caress no I'm not bitter Basically gently caress this kind of horizontal "progression" and gently caress 1.0 itemization, it's bad and unfun.
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Mordiceius posted:So with 2.5 upon us, what is your order of excitement for new things?
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Mordiceius posted:I'm also really curious if the Alexandrite drop boost will be meaningful at all. Man, if they've kicked this up to New Atma levels, I'll be ecstatic.
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Mordiceius posted:So with 2.5 upon us, what is your order of excitement for new things? I'm unlocking WoD first thing, so I'll be able to jump in any groups that form up while I'm working my way down the rest of my list, which starts with Hildibrand.
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I learned something today, you can apparently carry the Prey debuff from the first boss in Lost City of Amdapor throughout the entire dungeon, if you manage to keep it after the first boss fight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjZ77T9d2kk
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Smart Car posted:I learned something today, you can apparently carry the Prey debuff from the first boss in Lost City of Amdapor throughout the entire dungeon, if you manage to keep it after the first boss fight. I got about as far as the second boss while chain running the thing for Zodiac.
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Mordiceius posted:So with 2.5 upon us, what is your order of excitement for new things? Bah you're doing it wrong. Hildibrand should always be first on your list.
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Nipponophile posted:I'm unlocking WoD first thing, so I'll be able to jump in any groups that form up while I'm working my way down the rest of my list, which starts with Hildibrand. Holy gently caress am I excited for WoD. That might actually be #1 on my list. Luckily, I have reasons I need to be getting up early tomorrow morning, but I have no where to go until about noon. Hopefully enough time to unlock and run WoD once. Kwyndig posted:Bah you're doing it wrong. Hildibrand should always be first on your list. I still haven't finished the 2.4 Hildy story. 
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Thundarr posted:Man. With some tightening up I think we can bypass the sixth bennu, but we are just barely avoiding the third blackfire as it is now. Maybe we just need to spend a few more weeks farming T10-11 for drops, but I'll see if I can figure out where more dps can be squeezed out. You'll get there. Just keep at it. One thing that helps, put the blackfires within bane range of Phoenix. Your scholar can just flip their dots over and your DPS can just keep pounding Phoenix/bennus.
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Servers are officially down,  on the forums for patch notes.i need my fix, yoshi p
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Mordiceius posted:So with 2.5 upon us, what is your order of excitement for new things? I've made it a mission to do Hildibrand questlines with a different getup and I almost have SCH/SMN to 50 so I plan to combine the two: Get my first caster and throw together some costume for it and do story / Hildibrand with it. In the meantime do WoD and finally unlock HLDR.
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lovely tanks when you have ten minutes to maintenance is the WORST. Oh well, I'll have my first 50 within the next few days and I can join in on the patch hype properly.
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Already jonesin'. Only 11h40m to go~
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Doublestep posted:450 to 470 on t12 as a monk is around 100 under where you should be unless you don't have a 120 weapon This has me wondering as I play on ps4 as well and occasionally play melee dps. If I move diagonally from the rear to the flank and then use an ability, my character will face the mob and presumably continue auto attacking. However, in those 2.5 seconds, what are the chances I miss an auto attack if I don't perfectly time that ability use? Should I be manually facing the mob every time I switch positions just in case? I'm not sure which camera style I use, and can't check it now  but this does interest me for the times I do melee dps.
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Definitely starting with WoD in this patch. I love the raid design they got going on Syrcus and I would love a new hat.
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Mordiceius posted:So with 2.5 upon us, what is your order of excitement for new things? New fishing stuff. Even though I just spent a small fortune to get the mats to have my Forager's set crafted (of which I still need the gloves made) and over-melded, I loving love fishing. 
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Mordiceius posted:I still haven't finished the 2.4 Hildy story. Reported.
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Niton posted:This is incredibly wrong. Any metered FATE completion, from a bronze incomplete to a gold complete, will get you a shot at an Atma if you have the right weapon equipped.
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Materant posted:Servers are officially down, I suspect patch notes will be up around the time the patch itself is available for download. I am also desperately ing for itAlso, confession: I am probably going to start with the main quest this time around. I'm really curious to see where it's going. WoD is right after, though.
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