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davidb posted:
I don't really care whether or not you're being genuine at this point but if it's one thing I'll say is I'm glad that the USG is competent enough of a ruthlessly practical machine of domination to keep out the true, fanatically delusional such as yourself. Well, most of the time at least. TheIneff fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Jan 20, 2015 |
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drilldo squirt posted:You're wrong about all of this.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Nah bro. Shooting people who try to escape the country is the hallmark of a global force for good. Literally the only majorly problematic thing he wrote in that post.
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Jan 20, 2015 17:37
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Can we bring back LF just so we have a place to put all the tankies? Sort of a concentration camp for them. A gulag, if you will.
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Jan 20, 2015 17:38
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Did somebody turn on the Stalin-apologist-signal by accident or something?
icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Jan 20, 2015 |
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Jan 20, 2015 17:40
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Everyone posting seriously in this thread is an undesirable.
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Jan 20, 2015 18:08
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Socialism in One Forum is the only way forward. Bring back LF.
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Jan 20, 2015 18:29
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A lot of those war post-war European policies were driven by fear of communists taking power, France and Italy had a powerful communist parties. In France, they were were major party into the 1970s and if anything put leftward pressure on the socialists. The Italian communists were potent until the 1980s.West Germany was caught in a propaganda war (which they were winning with DDR) but that meant they had to keep social policies pretty liberal not to look worse. This isn't a history thread but a throwing around random poo poo thread though.
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The fact that the CIA made a bunch of Italian Americans write home to Italy to tell people not to vote communist has never ceased to amuse me.
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Jan 20, 2015 18:41
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TheIneff posted:You and yours have personally benefited from this but that's because of how the chips were laid out before you were even a thought, not some sort of essentialized commentary on the inherent do-goodedness of the USG that works for everyone or even most people. Everyones benefited from americas accidental goodness then 1) most world peace since ever 2) most democracy in the world since ever If its by accident. The way roman empire and mongol empire spread learning, culture and connectex far separated cultures then so be it
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Jan 20, 2015 19:18
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TheIneff posted:I don't really care whether or not you're being genuine at this point but if it's one thing I'll say is I'm glad that the USG is competent enough of a ruthlessly practical machine of domination to keep out the true, fanatically delusional such as yourself. Well, most of the time at least. Fear not. I cant be president im an immigrant. Im training my blood brood to take over after me. Vote davidb jr 2032
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Jan 20, 2015 19:20
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Amused to Death posted:This is something like a 3rd grader would say after reciting the pledge of allegiance. Then i guess the 3rd grader is smarter than you. Feel free to argue the merits of the statements because right now im not impressed with your playground taunts... Also, my dad can beat up your dad 
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VitalSigns posted:Sorry the real world is more complex than "and then we blowed up the bad guys and got the girl and did barrel rolls into the sunset and then all the Muslims found Jesus the next day" You still cant name which country has been a greater good influence on the world. Youll try anything not to answer the question. A worm on a hook. Squirming every which way to avoid the straight answer. This all must be very painful for you. Youve been stewing in your america is evil juice for so long youve gone blind. I do like barrel rolls though
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Jan 20, 2015 19:43
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Actually, do you mean, the US has done more proportionally speaking*, or in absolute numbers? *compared to its considerable and incomparable might
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Cingulate posted:Is this a joke? I can't tell anymore. I mean, once you've committed yourself to the notion that everyone who isn't on a Gosplan committee or high in the Communist Party is a stupid gently caress that needs to be forced (one of the lesser-known things Stalin did was cut urban wages just low enough to force two-income households and thus maximize the number of women in the workplace) into doing the right thing, it's pretty easy to justify imprisoning and murdering hundreds of thousands of people, especially given the real existential threat that existed. Going further, if you believe yourself to be the only person who can do what's necessary, then of course you should frame people who might be a threat to you and have them killed! You can explain virtually everything that happened in the USSR in the 1930s starting from the existential threat that existed from the other world powers, the economic theories of the left wing of the Bolsheviks, and the desire to wholeheartedly reject capitalism (this mainly to cover socialist realism and the recriminalization of homosexuality, but it also explains some of the horrific brutality the Red Army engaged in in Germany and Poland). davidb posted:You still cant name which country has been a greater good influence on the world. Youll try anything not to answer the question. A worm on a hook. Squirming every which way to avoid the straight answer. This all must be very painful for you. Youve been stewing in your america is evil juice for so long youve gone blind. Sumeria.
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davidb posted:You still cant name which country has been a greater good influence on the world. Youll try anything not to answer the question. A worm on a hook. Squirming every which way to avoid the straight answer. This all must be very painful for you. Youve been stewing in your america is evil juice for so long youve gone blind. Cuba. Oh wait, for some reason they don't count to you??? Look at you uh, squirming and making up rules as you go along like some slimey, squirm-creature slithering slovenly slow. Like a worm-sloth, or a Centisquish.
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Jan 20, 2015 20:09
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The USSR had a pretty good track record of giving material support to decolonization efforts across the world if all you're looking for with validity is sheer scope.
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Cingulate posted:Actually, do you mean, the US has done more proportionally speaking*, or in absolute numbers? I dont see any other country ushering in relative world peace. So however you want to go about it. The country you wish to name has to have a greater effect than what i just named Effectronica posted:Sumeria. Excellent contedor. The birth of civilization and written language. Writing allowing the explosion of human developmemt The question then becomes is the first brush stroke of a painting more important the the finished painting. My view is the mona lisa is more valuable than the first paint applied in its making. Sumer started the show with invention of writing. But i value the almost finished painting of almost world peace higher. Whichever nation finishes the process, brings final world peace will get my vote at that time. But for now that goes to #1 america
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TheIneff posted:Cuba. Oh wait, for some reason they don't count to you??? The question has been the same you just struggle understanding it. Cuba hasnt done poo poo for the world. Weve already gotten your vote for cuba. You may now get in line with the rest of the contestants who lost. One dude voted nazi germany you can go hang out with him davidb fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Jan 20, 2015 |
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Jan 20, 2015 20:24
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TheIneff posted:Cuba. Oh wait, for some reason they don't count to you??? Cuba's been good for Cubans but they don't really have much international reach. And, you know, they got the world as close as it's been to thermonuclear destruction.
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computer parts posted:Cuba's been good for Cubans but they don't really have much international reach. Castro was literally berating Khrushchev for not launching on the US all the way through, insisting the total obliteration of Cuba was a price he was willing to pay for the poo poo to go down.
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Disinterested posted:Castro was literally berating Khrushchev for not launching on the US all the way through, insisting the total obliteration of Cuba was a price he was willing to pay for the poo poo to go down. Thats a new one
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davidb posted:I dont see any other country ushering in relative world peace. So however you want to go about it. The country you wish to name has to have a greater effect than what i just named If the answer is "relative", I say Iceland or Sweden. If it's "absolute", I say true - but they also committed a large share of the evil things.
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Cuba has, in absolute numbers, contributed the most health personnel to the fight against Ebola in West Africa. Given the virulence of Ebola, I'm going to count this as Cuba saving hundreds of millions if not billions of lives.Cingulate posted:Please answer the specific question I asked.
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computer parts posted:Cuba's been good for Cubans but they don't really have much international reach. They were hugely influental in ushering in the end of Apartheid in South Africa and remain a major source of inspiration for the bolivarians in South America, so I dunno about the whole "no international reach" thing
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Cuba is very good at finding various sugardaddies to keep its completely nonsensical economy afloat.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Cuba has, in absolute numbers, contributed the most health personnel to the fight against Ebola in West Africa. Given the virulence of Ebola, I'm going to count this as Cuba saving hundreds of millions if not billions of lives. I assume it's a strong contender in the "relative" or "net" categories though.
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Cingulate posted:I have much respect for Cuba, but neither is it a country with a clean slate, nor can it, in absolute numbers, stand up to the pure humanitarian impact of the US (when ignoring negative contributions).
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A Buttery Pastry posted:When did the US ever prevent a pandemic that would have killed billions of people? You must also consider that the climate of the US is one of preferring private wealth and private humanism over state humanism. Are we comparing the total effects of nations, or the effects of dedicated government interventions? Surely, the economic, educational and scientific achievements of Americans can at least partially be attributed to the US system. Do private interventions by US citizens, and more generally, people who made their wealth or discoveries built on the US system, count? Basically, the question of "what country is #1 (regarding improving the world)" is too underspecified to deserve an answer.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:When did the US ever prevent a pandemic that would have killed billions of people? Check and mate cubailures. 
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Jan 20, 2015 20:54
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Cingulate posted:Please answer the specific question I asked. Im mostly interested in absolute. Since world peace requires an absolute power capable of keeping the other hounds at bay. But im curious who the relative contendors are. Since world peace is so hard to quantify i have a feeling its going to be devastatingly undervalued by these forumites who prefer to razzle dazzle with obscure angles for why countries like cuba could be remotely considered. For example Cuba demanded russia bring about nuclear holocaust. Thats disregarded because they send some % more doctos to fight ebola than other countries which sent % doctors to do the same thing. As if ebola was even an important thing on the world stage
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A Buttery Pastry posted:When did the US ever prevent a pandemic that would have killed billions of people? Ebola would not have killed billions cuba did not prevent it. Only assisted slightly more than others assisted. Big whoop Your question cant be answered because theres never been a pandemic that killed billions. So therefore no the us has not stopped such a made up pandemic
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Jan 20, 2015 21:13
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Rent-A-Cop posted:The US prevented nuclear war by crushing the Soviet Union with the power of Pizza Hut. Saving not only every human on Earth, but also all potential future humans. Nah, the us didnt prevent russian nuclear war. That possibility only existed with 2 nuclear nations competing. USA stopped russia from dominating more countries with their failed communist methods. Soviet union would have dominated most of the world with their armies and nuclear weapons post ww2 without america there to neutralize them The us didnt put a stop to most war actionsa cross the globe. Wonder what the theoretical death count is in a world where usa doesnt exist. Russia dominates after ww2. And then the rebellions, civil wars that erupt when the soviet unions fails 200 years from now
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lol are you just going to ignore what I said about the USSR because even using your sliding scale of notability it still fits your (current) criterion (maybe not after the next post?)
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Jan 20, 2015 21:24
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idk dude I think not being colonized is p. sweet and so do lots of other people!
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Cingulate posted:
Thats too much of a copout. We can certainly look at as many factors as possible and do our best to point to the #1. My choice is easy. Americas dominance has brought about world peace..ish, that peace has accelerated international trade tying countries together economically. Something much more difficult when countries are fighting on the oceans. America has dominated the advance in all technologies. Played the largest role in spreadig democracy, human rights, capitalism. Something the world domimant military power is uniquely positioned to do. And no actors like sweden, iceland have no impact. Those countries can only make life for their people slightly better than for americans because of the conditions america has garnered in the word. And because those countries can focus their entire gdp on social programs while america keeps pushing for a better word for all. America spends large amounts on space, research, maintaining the worlds police force. Those insignificant countries including poland exist merely to survive for their own sake. Besides that we have all the absolute rankings that america dominates in terms of Gdp, military, international aid. Basically america is the entire worlds sugar daddy
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TheIneff posted:lol are you just going to ignore what I said about the USSR because even using your sliding scale of notability it still fits your (current) criterion (maybe not after the nest post?) Ah the you moved the goal posts defense. That and you didnt understand me your reading comprehension sucks are the 2 best forum tantrum responses i see. Im sure your russia comment was as worthless as the nazi germany and cuba votes so i didnt give it any attention. Want to try again? I might pay attention this time davidb fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jan 20, 2015 |
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davidb posted:Im mostly interested in absolute. Since world peace requires an absolute power capable of keeping the other hounds at bay. davidb posted:Cuba demanded russia bring about nuclear holocaust.
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Cingulate posted:Sweden, Iceland, Switzerland, generally the Nordic countries? If we restrict ourselves to post-45, Germany. For relative #1 we can expand it, doesnt have to be post 45 germany. In which case im going sumer or greece Cuba? Castro. Whats the difference. If the dictator is yelling for nuclear holocaust seems like a weird distinction to make just because the hobo on the beach was chillin with a joint. So castro dictator shouting for nuclear holocaust vs some presidential advisor who was ignored. Were lucky castro didnt have his finger on the button. While the man you compare him to jfk did, and showed restraint. What was the point again?
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davidb posted:Ah the you moved the goal posts defense. That and you didnt understand me your reading comprehension sucks are the 2 best forum tantrum responses i see. Ah the "what the gently caress are you saying/are you high-posting?" defense. A classic trounce, sure showed me! http://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/asia-and-africa This little primer from the USG is a good start if you'd like. http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/4283699?sid=21105116057231&uid=4&uid=3739832&uid=3739256&uid=2 This is about as good of a paper as you'll be likely to find in relation to Algeria that, check this, can be used for your own rhetorical benefit if you're creative enough! http://lawpark.jimdo.com/2013/01/13/how-did-cold-war-rivalries-affect-european-decolonization/
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