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Now that we're actually getting some background detail and possibly even hints as to what is going on I'm upgrading the shows rating to 'cautiously interested'. Maybe.
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ANN's episode reviews of the show started today. Nice comprehensive writeup of the show's themes, ideas, imagery, and poo poo like that as covered by the first three episodes, at least I think so. I may of course be biased on account of I'm an editor on ANN, but I didn't write the thing, so hey.
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Jay O posted:ANN's episode reviews of the show started today. Nice comprehensive writeup of the show's themes, ideas, imagery, and poo poo like that as covered by the first three episodes, at least I think so. I may of course be biased on account of I'm an editor on ANN, but I didn't write the thing, so hey. You're Hope Chapman/JesuOtaku, right?
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Silver2195 posted:You're Hope Chapman/JesuOtaku, right? Caught me red-handed! But yeah, I link the review because I think it's good and smart, not just because I work there. Just ya know, full disclosure.
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Jay O posted:ANN's episode reviews of the show started today. Nice comprehensive writeup of the show's themes, ideas, imagery, and poo poo like that as covered by the first three episodes, at least I think so. I may of course be biased on account of I'm an editor on ANN, but I didn't write the thing, so hey. If it helps, I'm consistently wary of ANN but this reviewer shows extensive knowledge of the subject they're writing about and open-mindedness on the subject matter; the analysis of allegory and imagery is spot on without going into speculation fuel.
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Jan 20, 2015 10:08
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show's theme: ikuhara's huuuuge erection show's images: titties show's idea: fapfapfapfapfapfap
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Jay O posted:ANN's episode reviews of the show started today. Nice comprehensive writeup of the show's themes, ideas, imagery, and poo poo like that as covered by the first three episodes, at least I think so. I may of course be biased on account of I'm an editor on ANN, but I didn't write the thing, so hey. That was pretty good. quote:Also, the lesbians probably represent lesbians. Keep that in mind.
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Darth Walrus posted:Right, you asked for this, and thanks to submitting my assignment yesterday, I've got a clear schedule. Let's do this. Jay O posted:ANN's episode reviews of the show started today. Nice comprehensive writeup of the show's themes, ideas, imagery, and poo poo like that as covered by the first three episodes, at least I think so. I may of course be biased on account of I'm an editor on ANN, but I didn't write the thing, so hey. Yo, have you guys been reading one another's works?
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Phobophilia posted:Yo, have you guys been reading one another's works? Not on my end, although I am surprised by how similar those writeups ended up being. I guess we were just drawing from broadly similar sources. I'm pleased to see Ekens getting this series to cover. She's an extremely solid critic with a great eye for detail. Her GARO: The Animation reviews have been particularly fun, drawing out what makes an apparently generic shonen fighter unique and interesting.
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Phobophilia posted:Yo, have you guys been reading one another's works? or it's just obvious at this point what the themes are
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On a related note, this academic article I linked earlier seemed to get a lot more relevant this episode. It's really, really easy to draw parallels between the Exclusion Ceremony, in which Sumika is vilified for daring to get herself killed, and the literal competitions to write the best satirical poems about lesbian suicide in Meiji Japan.
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Endorph posted:show's theme: ikuhara's huuuuge erection Yo, you are really obsessed with 'old men sexualizing underage girls'. If you've got something to tell the class just go ahead and say it man EDIT: I don't want to waste a post on pure vitriol but I'll keep going—your shitposts continuously irk me. What is your angle, bro? Are you completely ignorant of the cultural context behind this show? Are you just rusing for 'teh lulz'? This show is so coherently fighting the objectification of women in various ways, and you want to ruin it all just because you can't look a girl in the loving eyes when you speak to her. Why, man? Why can't we have nice things? Space Flower fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Jan 20, 2015 |
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Please do not call Ikuhara old, he is only.. uh.. a very young 50.
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aers posted:Please do not call Ikuhara old, he is only.. uh.. a very young 50. He could be another freakishly-young 50 like Hideo Kojima.
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Rand Brittain posted:He could be another freakishly-young 50 like Hideo Kojima. Or Araki the Eternal.
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The horror film imagery is interesting, but it's probably Eva-style Christianity Imagery Just Cuz It Looks Cool.
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AnacondaHL posted:The horror film imagery is interesting, but it's probably Eva-style Christianity Imagery Just Cuz It Looks Cool. I don't think that's quite fair. It's shallow symbolism, sure, but that's because it's alluding to something shallow. Evangelion took surface skims of rich, complex cultural concepts and symbols in order to lend itself a sense of mythological gravitas without really connecting with what those themes and symbols meant. YKA is just establishing a scary, claustrophobic atmosphere by borrowing cinematic tricks used by other stories to establish a scary, claustrophobic atmosphere. It's not exactly trampling over the deep symbolism of the Overlook Hotel's carpet pattern.
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I liked the sequence with all the neat visualizations of the girls selecting their next target. Ikuhara does great things with formalized acts like that. It works as an interesting mirror to the trials.
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The shows really uncomfortable, and I still don't know if I like it yet.
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To it's benefit I'd say its purposefully uncomfortable though, it was crafted to feel that way.
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Jan 20, 2015 18:24
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They're never gonna have a cast to care about if they keep killing everybody off though!!
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Also when the bear fell off the roof I never noticed it before, it's totally a photograph of an actual teddy bear, haha.
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I think the obvious sort of ending is Kureha and the Bears learning to love in a new and more honest way and changing the systems from both sides, but I feel like that kind of ending would actually disappoint me a bit and feel out of place, because the tone of the show and the world in it is weird. This episode confirmed that what the bears are doing is actual murder, so all the aesthetic horror references aren't actually that shallow. With the oppressive, encompassing environment, stock characters, and everybody dying all the time it's structured way more like a psychological/slasher horror series than a romance one. Also you kind of muddle your message about bullying and exclusion being bad when you live in a world where people will kill and eat you when you don't, and also if you do. Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Jan 20, 2015 |
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Sharkopath posted:I think the obvious sort of ending is Kureha and the Bears learning to love in a new and more honest way and changing the systems from both sides, but I feel like that kind of ending would actually disappoint me a bit and feel out of place, because the tone of the show and the world in it is weird. This episode confirmed that what the bears are doing is actual murder, so all the aesthetic horror references aren't actually that shallow. With the oppressive, encompassing environment, stock characters, and everybody dying all the time it's structured way more like a psychological/slasher horror series than a romance one. I think it makes more sense when you remember that the bears are also victims who have this system imposed on them. Basically, if you're gay, society only allows you to be either a predator or a victim (and is perfectly happy with killing you if you're a predator). The Court of Yuri is just the flipside of the Exclusion Ceremonies.
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Darth Walrus posted:I think it makes more sense when you remember that the bears are also victims who have this system imposed on them. Basically, if you're gay, society only allows you to be either a predator or a victim (and is perfectly happy with killing you if you're a predator). The Court of Yuri is just the flipside of the Exclusion Ceremonies. Oh yeah as a statement of the actual world its totally true, but I haven't seen much of that in this show as it is. The bears, all of them so far, seem to revel in the eating. I think if that's an aspect of the world you wanted to expound upon you could do it even in earlier episodes like this, but instead even the two main bears are straight up taunting people before they kill them. Earlier I thought the eating was more metaphor or an obfuscation of the exclusion of people chosen by the Storm, maybe even them being removed to outside the wall, but this episode told us yeah they were killing and eating other people before her. The theremin music doesn't really help me disassociate those scenes from horror movies either. Also I feel like I actually don't very much care for these characters, or their love, because they're all pretty flat. In this episode we meet and lose a character that only got a handful of dialogue lines, none of which established much about them except an antagonistic role in the storm. They were a standard sacrificial horror movie victim type. Sharkopath fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Jan 20, 2015 |
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The teacher lady is going to become Big Boss Bear and kill everybody, and Kureha is going to have to shoot her down with the last love bullet the bears gave her, becoming the Sole Survivor of Love is the ending that the show should get with the tone it has right now.
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Although I guess if the line about burying the body was 'WE HUGGED HER SO MUCH SHE DECIDED THIS SOCIETAL PRESSURE IS FOR THE BIRDS, SO SHE IMMEDIATELY WENT AWAY TO GET OUT OF THE WALL AND WE BURIED THE THINGS SHE LEFT BEHIND HERE IN TRIBUTE, AND THATS WHY SHE WENT MISSING' would be really funny. Really really funny.
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https://twitter.com/vestenet/status/557612005906194432 Ok but what does this one mean
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So many horror movie references.
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aers posted:https://twitter.com/vestenet/status/557612005906194432 Kureha is her own mother thanks to time-travel shenanigans in episode 11.
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Effectronica posted:Kureha is her own mother thanks to time-travel shenanigans in episode 11. But first she kills and eats Ginko, which is why she has her necklace.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:So many horror movie references. The school hallways are the same as the hallways in suspira, and besides her own room, kurehas downstairs and whole house are the same as the bates home.
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It would also be cool if the next episode opens on this finale, but then the girl reveals the black flower Yuri thing turned her into a bear now, and the entire episode is an epic teddy bear battle.
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The finale of Freddy v Jason as reenacted by a troupe of teddy ruxpins.
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Sharkopath posted:Oh yeah as a statement of the actual world its totally true, but I haven't seen much of that in this show as it is. The bears, all of them so far, seem to revel in the eating. I think if that's an aspect of the world you wanted to expound upon you could do it even in earlier episodes like this, but instead even the two main bears are straight up taunting people before they kill them. Earlier I thought the eating was more metaphor or an obfuscation of the exclusion of people chosen by the Storm, maybe even them being removed to outside the wall, but this episode told us yeah they were killing and eating other people before her. The thing is that the show's demonstrating that even if you're totally OK with a system, it can still hurt and exploit you. So far, we've had three enthusiastic adherents of the system end up dead because of it - Mitsuko, her girlfriend, and the girl running the Exclusion Ceremony. As for our main bears, they seem to be at a very early stage in their character development, where they're mostly on board with what they're doing, but starting to have doubts. Ginko is pretty sure she should be eating Kureha, but mostly because that's the only way a bear's allowed to express affection, and she's getting all hesitant and experiencing crossed wires over it. I'm sure she'd justify it as 'I want to eat her instead', but the fact remains that she got into a deal with the devil this episode to save Kureha's life. Lulu seems like even more of an outlier from the bear norm, loving Ginko in a way that goes beyond what's acceptable by the rules of the world. Note how she said 'I won't give up on love' this episode, the catchphrase of Kureha and Sumika's taboo relationship, and how she pleaded with the Court this episode, promising tem that she'd eat as many girls as they wanted if it would let her 'protect Ginko's love'. There is some genuine friction starting to emerge here.
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Oh I read that line entirely differently than a deal with the devil, I thought they were specifically going after after storm members to protect her. I hope the next episode opens up a lot more, since presumably kureha is in The custody of bears they'll have a chance to interact and maybe even reveal some things. My biggest complaints so far are that so far you could fit the entirety of The casts traits and characters on a post it note, and the cyclical nature of everything means the show is spinning in circles.
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aers posted:https://twitter.com/vestenet/status/557612005906194432 Woah, like Hitchcock's Psycho Mrs. Bates? 
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Sharkopath posted:Oh I read that line entirely differently than a deal with the devil, I thought they were specifically going after after storm members to protect her. Yeah thats what I got. Its not just invisible storm members, but their leaders. Since the first girl they attacked was the previous chair and the one they lured this time was the current one. I'm thinking the rest of the girls are going to catch up to that.
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