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In Russia, they're recruiting titushkis to prepare for a Russian Maidan and to squash the 5th column that wants to undermine the Russian constitutional order, which is a cool admission that the government is preparing for civil war. They have recently attacked a group of liberal activists who gathered in a Moscow cafe, the police were called and stood around doing nothing, then arrested the liberals. This year is promising to be eventful.quote:With Russia's economy collapsing, won't we soon reach a crossroads where Putin either has to go big or go home? I read somewhere recently that Russia might have to cut 20% of its budget soon; in desperate times, it can't possibly be worth the expenditure just to keep the status quo going indefinitely, can it? Putin is already going big. He absolutely can not allow an anti-corruption revolution succeed in an east slavic country, because it will be a big push for the same to happen in Russia. He is making an example out of Ukraine for a domestic audience to show there is no alternative to himself. Somaen fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Jan 20, 2015 |
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Cuntpunch posted:It's a tricky situation, and there's been some discussion of it regularly over the past few months as the Ruble collapsed. The problem is centered around the fact that Putin has created this "Ukraine is currently being run by nazis who are literally genociding anybody who speaks Russian" myth to whip the Russian people into a fervor, and if he were to just pack it in, give up in Ukraine, and let the separatists fall; well, it'd be a massive domestic failure for him and probably put him at risk of an ousting. If he tries to blitzkrieg to Kiev to end the war, it's only going to further isolate Russia on the international stage and exacerbate the economic issues they're experiencing, to say nothing of the fact that the Russian people are pretty deadset in opposition to any sort of war with Ukraine. With how fast Russia's economy is collapsing they might not even be able to feasibly blitzkrieg Kiev, lest the worst case scenario occur for Putin which is he goes to war with Kiev and loses.
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Jan 20, 2015 21:28
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Somaen posted:In Russia, they're recruiting titushkis to prepare for a Russian Maidan and to squash the 5th column that wants to undermine the Russian constitutional order, which is a cool admission that the government is preparing for civil war. They have recently attacked a group of liberal activists who gathered in a Moscow cafe, the police were called and stood around doing nothing, then arrested the liberals. This year is promising to be eventful. It's coming on a hundred years since the last civil war, so I suppose we're due.
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Jan 20, 2015 21:29
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Regarding titushki and government and everything, hell, just remember the Navalny's protests from just a little bit ago. Police did absolutely nothing when government's supporters started to fight with Navalny's supporters, they moved in after fight resolved and detained Navalny's supporters. 
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Jan 20, 2015 21:31
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T-80's(?) crossing the Ukrianian border. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtMyNmRCxWI
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Jan 20, 2015 21:32
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Somaen posted:Putin is already going big. He absolutely can not allow an anti-corruption revolution succeed in an east slavic country, because it will be a big push for the same to happen in Russia. He is making an example out of Ukraine for a domestic audience to show there is no alternative to himself. Surely then he can't just accept the status quo. Crimea was an impressive fait accompli, the current state of affairs is just a mess.
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Mightypeon and friends have been going "Putin could be in Kiev in two days if he wanted to!" since last summer, but it's transparent bullshit posturing because 1) they haven't been able to take Donetsk airport/Mariupol to this day, 2) currently the government has to bribe and bully conscripts into going to DNR/LNR to fight. Russians going to war with a friendly 40 million nation is unthinkable even with the Nazi junta narrative. The brain dead thugs who wholeheartedly believe that are already fighting there, or got buried in an unmarked grave.quote:Surely then he can't just accept the status quo. Crimea was an impressive fait accompli, the current state of affairs is just a mess. I think the current strategy is to the tune of: Ukraine collapses -> friendly Moscow backed government -> Kremlin gives back the ruined region back to Kiev -> West removes sanctions from Russia because Russia is out of Ukraine -> Russia borrows to placate its population Somaen fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Jan 20, 2015 |
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Jan 20, 2015 21:40
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Somaen posted:In Russia, they're recruiting titushkis to prepare for a Russian Maidan and to squash the 5th column that wants to undermine the Russian constitutional order, which is a cool admission that the government is preparing for civil war. They have recently attacked a group of liberal activists who gathered in a Moscow cafe, the police were called and stood around doing nothing, then arrested the liberals. This year is promising to be eventful. Civil war, revolution? Haha, nope. It is just some overly preemptive and paranoid parade of hongweibings performed to please the balls of some fucker in Putin's inner circle - and to appease the patriotic part of the population who desire some public executions and pogroms for entertainment.
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Jan 20, 2015 21:43
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Somaen posted:Mightypeon and friends have been going "Putin could be in Kiev in two days if he wanted to!" since last summer, but it's transparent bullshit posturing because 1) they haven't been able to take Donetsk airport/Mariupol to this day, 2) currently the government has to bribe and bully conscripts into going to DNR/LNR to fight. Russians going to war with a friendly 40 million nation is unthinkable even with the Nazi junta narrative. The brain dead thugs who wholeheartedly believe that are already fighting there, or got buried in an unmarked grave. It is worth noting that the battle over the airport has largely been the Russians handing artillery to the separatists and letting them play target practice. it isn't a significant investment in terms of Russian regulars. If Russia *were* to bring its military to bear on Ukraine, yeah Kiev would be under siege in short order and I doubt Ukraine could stop them. But that would also remove any face-saving "ok well Putin says he's not in Ukraine lets give him some benefit of the doubt" poo poo that the media is playing at right now and properly work the NATO block into an anti-Russian frenzy.
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Jan 20, 2015 21:46
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Setting Kyiv on fire would also force the EU to admit it's a war and act accordingly, which is very bad for Russia.
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A bit of humor for incredibly depressing thread. Translation: - I'm leaving you. - Masha, please don't. I can't live without you. - Well, at least we have Crimea.
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In Makiivka today. 
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:In Makiivka today. The good news is that's just the remains of the rocket from a BM-30 launched cluster rocket and it's pretty harmless (unless it lands on you). The bad news is someone got a bunch of cluster bombs dropped on them.
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In other Russian news, with no links for understandable reasons, today Russian federal drug control service got hacked and their data has been leaked on the Internet, including full list of people who have called the anonymous hotline.
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Jan 20, 2015 22:02
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Somaen posted:I think the current strategy is to the tune of: So Moscow has backed itself into a corner and relies upon wishful thinking to extricate themselves from their predicament. That sounds about right.
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Poland again: Piotr Duda, the leader of NSZZ "Solidarnosc", despite the agreement with the government, refused to call off the strikes, until the Prime Minister begins negotiations with the unions about their previous demands from 2013. They want to talk about such issues as flextime, "junk contracts" (a Polish name for contracts that emulate full-time employment without most of the rights associated with it), temporary job agencies circumventing the labor law, or retirement age. This has some interesting implications - one of the most serious accusations about labor unions in Poland (and probably elsewhere) was that they only care about themselves and just fight for their own privileges. People employed on junk contracts, who can't even form a labor union in their workplace, were especially bitter - they were pretty much ignored until very recently. It looks like the labor unions try to broaden their social support, especially that Ewa Kopacz seems weaker than Donald Tusk. It is a very ballsy and risky move - a large part of the electorate of PO really wants to see unions broken and if Kopacz goes Thatcher, this could actually get the disillusioned "lemmings" to vote on her party once again. We'll see if Duda can get around the media - right now, they mostly present the unions as greedy bastards who sensed weakness and broke the agreement to get even more for themselves.
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Jack of Hearts posted:So Moscow has backed itself into a corner and relies upon wishful thinking to extricate themselves from their predicament. That sounds about right. Well if there's one economy crashing faster and harder than Russia it's Ukraines, so not entirely wishful thinking I'm afraid. e: EU/US credit lines may give Ukraine the edge it needs to ride out the attrition tactic of Putin, but who knows how reliable that is going to be. Pimpmust fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Jan 20, 2015 |
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Jan 20, 2015 22:45
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:In Makiivka today. *fires katyushas* "ah yes noone will suspect russians are involved"
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HorseLord posted:*fires katyushas* Hey, now, it could be Syrians.
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I'm expecting a video of someone hitting it with a hammer, probably while drunk.
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"Oy, Ivan, fuel from that rocket works for my Friendship motor saw!" Edit: Apparently, some pro-separatists weirdos, Iskhod (Exodus), from Kharkiv oblast got rounded up today.   sparatuvs posted:T-80's(?) crossing the Ukrianian border. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Jan 21, 2015 |
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:In Makiivka today. Putin's breadbaskets for starving Ukrainians.
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Guys, Makiivka isn't Ukrainian controlled.
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eigenstate posted:Guys, Makiivka isn't Ukrainian controlled. Edit: https://twitter.com/Conflict_Report/status/557549832899141634 cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Jan 21, 2015 |
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Jan 21, 2015 00:47
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Seems pretty deep in Separatist territory, either Ukrainian forces really are pushing far into the Separatists or it's some kind of a Separatist friendly fire/eliminate disloyal Separatist commanders strike.
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Sergiu64 posted:Seems pretty deep in Separatist territory, either Ukrainian forces really are pushing far into the Separatists or it's some kind of a Separatist friendly fire/eliminate disloyal Separatist commanders strike. Edit: Map, for reference. 
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Hmmm, ok. What is the launcher? I can't identify military ordinance just by looking at it, someone mentioned Katyusha and I didn't think Rocket Artillery can go 90 km. Is it a Cruise Missile?
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Sergiu64 posted:Hmmm, ok. What is the launcher? I can't identify military ordinance just by looking at it, someone mentioned Katyusha and I didn't think Rocket Artillery can go 90 km. Is it a Cruise Missile? Brown Moses identified it as a BM-30 'Smerch' kalstrams posted:It is about 20 kilometres deep into separatist territory, and launcher we talk about has 90 kilometre range. 70km for cluster rounds. That being said, apparently they designed these things to also scatter AT mines? Is it possible that it's just a scorched-earth policy of trying to deny any Ukranian offensive into the area? (I really don't know, and most Smerch references worry more about the vehicle than its munitions)
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Sergiu64 posted:Hmmm, ok. What is the launcher? I can't identify military ordinance just by looking at it, someone mentioned Katyusha and I didn't think Rocket Artillery can go 90 km. Is it a Cruise Missile? Edit: I assume it's AI, it could be AT as well as pointed above. And yea, apparently 90km range only on one rocket type, still enough to have come from anywhere though. Also fb, I type slow from phone.  Edit2: Unless Brown Moses or someone else can identify exact rocket type or we get more visual evidence, we won't know if it was for infantry or vehicles. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Jan 21, 2015 |
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Yeah I don't get it. Would be strange for Ukrainians to be firing inaccurate rocket artillery that far behind the apparent front lines considering they have Torchkas and Makeevka is a town.
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Jan 21, 2015 01:28
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Might have been a misfire from either side landing short of the actual target. Rocket engines cutting out early (or waaaay early) isn't that rare. Somebody geolocate that picture and show which direction the rocket is facing!
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:In Makiivka today. Eh, having ordnance falling everywhere aint so bad. Hell, you can even use it for cheap entertainment! KLASS KLASS KLASS
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What's with all the mental gymnastics? There's a war going on and the Donbas is a very developed and urbanized area. Check out the number/concentraion of cities (blue dots) vs the rest of Ukraine: 
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eigenstate posted:What's with all the mental gymnastics? There's a war going on and the Donbas is a very developed and urbanized area. Someone up above had mentioned it being deep in separatist territory but looking it up nah, not really. It's basically 'the next town over' from Donetsk and is less than 20km from the airport. Easy enough at that point to believe it could be either side, but to make better sense of it we'd need a better idea of the current line-of-battle.
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MeLKoR posted:I can't believe Russia is wasting hard currency paying knuckle-dragging morons to post in Portuguese newspaper's comment sections and there are a plenty of them. Yeah I can't believe the same about Estonian newspapers' comments section either, but they're there with their faulty grammar and all the comments are mostly in the same vein. It's more likely that in the western countries (except English-speaking - more Russians are more likely to speak it), we're actually dealing with 'useful idiots'.
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jonnypeh posted:It's more likely that in the western countries (except English-speaking - more Russians are more likely to speak it), we're actually dealing with 'useful idiots'. The rise of populism and the far-right if anything is connected together especially in Europe, and if anything despite while Putin has often utilized he didn't create it. The far-right parties in Europe have been doing well more often than not because center-left ones have lost public support. Some examples are MSZP in Hungary, the Socialists in France, Labour in the UK (UKIP has a populist streak to it), PASOK in Greece and even the DP in Italy (Lega Nord/5SM). Putin can so easily create an "alternative reality" if you so will because they very very much want to believe. And here is a story about the collapse of large mammal wildlife after the fall of the USSR: http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-30886952 quote:The socioeconomic shocks following the collapse of the Soviet Union also affected the region's wildlife, researchers have suggested. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 07:20 on Jan 21, 2015 |
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There's something strangely poetic about the wolf population exploding in post-collapse Russia.
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Apropos song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IISi3Kuj7lI
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Apparently there's a rumor about "doghunters" using over the counter pneumonia medicine to poison and kill dogs in Moscow. Supposedly people stock up on syringes with vitamin B6 in case their animal eats poisoned food or licks pink medicine. It seems it's pretty regular occurence, with participants claiming they have to cull the population of stray dogs because of risk they pose.
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alex314 posted:Apparently there's a rumor about "doghunters" using over the counter pneumonia medicine to poison and kill dogs in Moscow. Supposedly people stock up on syringes with vitamin B6 in case their animal eats poisoned food or licks pink medicine. sounds like some grocery stores in russia are going to be well stocked this week
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