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rejutka posted:Pretty sure in MoI Draconus observed that he had been forging a sword since before Dark. Then Draconus spoke, ‘Since the time of All Darkness, I have been forging a sword.’ So I suspect we'll have a better idea of the timeline once it's made clear what the time of 'All Darkness' was. I could see it meaning several things (before anything else existed, before Light existed, when Darkness was first brought to the world via Gate, etc...).
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rejutka posted:drat. At least we're not in the Rothfuss thread. Readers well into the onset of Stockholm syndrome in there defending a five year+ wait between books as being normal, and here we are, twiddling our thumbs anxiously because Erikson 'only' averages like a thousand pages a year heh.
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Is he actually worth reading? I had a gander at the blurb on the back of.... something about wind? and it read as a colossal  tripefest.
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rejutka posted:Is he actually worth reading? I had a gander at the blurb on the back of.... something about wind? and it read as a colossal Well, first book is a reasonably well written generic fantasy. Second is fanfic-caliber. The whole thing is average at its best and mindumbingly stupid at its worst. anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Jan 19, 2015 |
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Habibi posted:Then Draconus spoke, ‘Since the time of All Darkness, I have been forging a sword.’ I clearly need to re-read that book. I'm probably the only person alive who thinks this but I generally did not get too excited by FoD. I actually preferred Assail cue the posting about how this is insane, because it clearly is
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Infinite Karma posted:The Soletaken Tiste supposedly drank the blood of T'iam, and Rake drank first and deepest. Vitr is too close to vitae, i.e. blood, to be a coincidence that the Dragons came from there, and drinking Dragon blood turned a bunch of Tiste into Dragons. There are a number of occasions in the series where Tiam is mentioned as an entity and where different Ascendants say "Tiam you bitch". Also several mentions of Tiste sleeping with Tiam. Tiam also dies and is reborn constantly. Based on this I have a hard time seeing her as anything else than an Azathanai. In FoD it is also implied that different Azathanai have influence over different races. Olar Ethil - Dog-Runners/Imass Grizzin Farl/Kilmandaros - Forulkan/Forkrul Assail Draconus - Tiste (since he is Suzerain of the Night) Applying this to Tiam, that would make her having influence on dragons. Habibi posted:Kallor is human for all intents and purposes, but IIRC (though I don't have a reference) was into his life-extending alchemies even before the curse made him immortal. Given that said curse was leveled before Dragnipur was completed, and hence before the culmination of the conflict between Rake/Draconus (a conflict that, at least from my impression, preceded the mass exodus of the Tiste from their newly created realms back into the world, as Draconus has no appearance or mention in the flashbacks to that time), it probably is exactly him. Isn't it mentioned when the Crippled God is drawn down that Kallor having been doing the whole High King for a long time. In that case, it is probably in, although in a different realm. Baudin posted:I clearly need to re-read that book. The answer with Erikson is always to reread.
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rejutka posted:Is he actually worth reading? I had a gander at the blurb on the back of.... something about wind? and it read as a colossal Name of the Wind. Yeah, it's largely a Mary Sue adventure, with vague promises of an eminently unreliable narrator to bring things down to earth later on - but when that later on will be is unclear. He does write great prose (one of the better at it in the genre) and as mentioned, the first book is pretty good (and generic, IMO, largely in it being a 'follow the hero as he grows up' story), has an interesting take on magic, and lays down promising groundwork. But book two does very little to progress the main story (focusing instead on side adventures and too much rehashing of some of the more annoying goings on of the first book), introduces some elements that challenge one's suspension of disbelief (a society that hasn't figured out the connection between sex and impregnation), and dedicates an inordinate amount of time on its main character's sexual kung fu adventures with a sex fairy, in what has to rank as one of the most painful self-inserts of all time. To summarize my experience: I awaited the second book with almost as bated a breath as I have for most Malazan entries, but after reading it (which was now almost four years ago), lost nearly all interest in book three. But some people like it, so mileage will vary.
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Cardiac posted:
It's an interesting theory, but she is the God of or the first Eleint. I would be very surprised if she ended up having any link to the Azathanai (who are hard to kill, but don't get reborn after dying) aside from mating with/getting killed by/having her blood drunk by some of them. quote:Isn't it mentioned when the Crippled God is drawn down that Kallor having been doing the whole High King for a long time. In that case, it is probably in, although in a different realm. I'm pretty sure that him doing the High King thing for a long time was one of the big reasons a bunch of mages tried to throw a god at him in the first place. Not sure why it would have to be in a different realm? Habibi fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Jan 19, 2015 |
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Baudin posted:I'm probably the only person alive who thinks this but I generally did not get too excited by FoD. I actually preferred Assail cue the posting about how this is insane, because it clearly is You're going to get banished to the Rothfuss thread.
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Habibi posted:You're going to get banished to the Rothfuss thread. No accounting for good taste. e: actually the real reason is due to rushing FoD a bit and having a bit more time to read Assail on a few plane trips back to back while on vacation. Plus the actual vacation itself. Nothing quite like relaxing while reading a travel log set in not-The New World instead of reading a thousand page book in two days. Baudin fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Jan 19, 2015 |
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Jan 19, 2015 22:33
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anilEhilated posted:Well, first book is a reasonably well written generic fantasy. Second is fanfic-caliber. The whole thing is average at its best and mindumbingly stupid at its worst. I get the suspicion that writers taking too long with something usually ends up with a worse result. As with Martin, it's like the length of the writing is inversely proportional to how well received the book will be. Who knows, maybe the very first revision of Rothfuss book 2 was actually very good.
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Abalieno posted:I get the suspicion that writers taking too long with something usually ends up with a worse result.
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Jan 19, 2015 22:55
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I had great hopes for Rothfuss, Anthony Ryan and Scott Lynch and they all laid big fat turds. Rothfuss is probably hopeless now given the early success. Erikson Butcher and Rajaniemi are all I have now.
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Hand Row posted:I had great hopes for Rothfuss, Anthony Ryan and Scott Lynch and they all laid big fat turds. Rothfuss is probably hopeless now given the early success. What about Joe Ambercrombie? e: Scott Lynch's stuff was pretty entertaining and much better than a bunch of crap out there.
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Baudin posted:What about Joe Ambercrombie? Ambercrombie is fine but his worlds tend to be generic and he is writing a YA series right now. Lynch had a fantastic start but his series is going downhill, the third book was junk. I know some of it may be due to depression but I also think he has written himself into some corners, notably making mages way too powerful.
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Just wanted to let you all know I really appreciate the spoiler tags  Everyone is converging on this evil hellgod prison and the book is just about at the point of 'can't put it down' so yay!
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How was Ryan's Tower Lord? I enjoyed BloodSong but have held off on the sequel because of all the "this is just wallet padding filler" reviews.
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Rarity posted:Just wanted to let you all know I really appreciate the spoiler tags That first 2/3 masterful weaving of disparate stories and last 1/3 rollercoaster convergence finish that you can't put down pattern was what stood out to me the most when I first read him.
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Hand Row posted:Erikson Butcher and Rajaniemi are all I have now. Hmm, since recommending Bakker is problematic and with mixed results you could always try with Stover's "Acts of Caine". I do think there's absolutely no shortage of good stuff, but my taste is usually broader than most.
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Rarity posted:Just wanted to let you all know I really appreciate the spoiler tags Nooooooooooooooooo, post updates. 
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Hand Row posted:Ambercrombie is fine but his worlds tend to be generic and he is writing a YA series right now. It owns so far though. Really concise writing. I thought "gently caress, that's a really good sentence" about once a page for the entire thing.
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Abalieno posted:
I should say I do read more than those three authors. They are simply my holy poo poo must buy on release fiction authors. The second Tower Lord book is ok. Everything plays out by the numbers with no big reveals or twists so I would agree with the filler comments.
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Hand Row posted:I should say I do read more than those three authors. They are simply my holy poo poo must buy on release fiction authors. That's too bad. I finished the third Lightbringer or whatever book by Weeks last week, and it was well-written and interesting, but where the pieces all wound up at the end seemed like it could have been accomplished in fifty pages. Also I found
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I kinda liked Mieville if anyone is looking for another series. He's not amazing, and he overused kinda big words (see if you can keep track of how many times puissance is used in book 2, holy gently caress.) But the books are decent enough, and some of his nonhumans have some neat ideas. At least, in the New Crobuzon books that I've read, and I'm just about to start book 3.
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Abalieno posted:Hmm, since recommending Bakker is problematic and with mixed results you could always try with Stover's "Acts of Caine". I know some people have problems with Bakker, but for epic fantasy, he is really good. For people liking Erikson, I would recommend older writers like Fritz Leiber and Moorcock. Habibi posted:It's an interesting theory, but she is the God of or the first Eleint. I would be very surprised if she ended up having any link to the Azathanai (who are hard to kill, but don't get reborn after dying) aside from mating with/getting killed by/having her blood drunk by some of them. I guess we will see, and hopefully soon. We are really spoiled by Eriksons writing when a year feels like a long time. We got Willful Child last year and it was great given its premises.
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nucleicmaxid posted:I kinda liked Mieville if anyone is looking for another series. He's not amazing, and he overused kinda big words (see if you can keep track of how many times puissance is used in book 2, holy gently caress.) But the books are decent enough, and some of his nonhumans have some neat ideas. At least, in the New Crobuzon books that I've read, and I'm just about to start book 3.
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Cardiac posted:So I finished of FoD for the second time, in preparation for third reread of DoD and TCG and since I wanted more stuff on the Shake. Old Man Moon seems like the obvious answer. As I recall, his dialogue in BaB indicates that he is one of the oldest "gods" around.
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Alright. I'm on chapter 18 of DG and feel like I'm on edge of the Erikson rollercoaster. Time to dive in and see what all this has lead me to.
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Abalieno posted:Hmm, since recommending Bakker is problematic and with mixed results you could always try with Stover's "Acts of Caine". My biggest problem with the Acts of Caine is that there are only four books.
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Poldarn posted:My biggest problem with the Acts of Caine is that there are only four books. Stover's fascination with feces is kind of a problem but other than that yeah, I'd second the recommendation there. It's not Erikson level good but it's pretty good and has some of the best written combat I've read.
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Since I'm currently drawing a blank I've questions on 2 characters who appear in the main series and if they appeared at all in FoD or they're as yet unexplained or I just forgot which is all possible. Have Fisher Kel Tath's and Edgewalker's identities been revealed? I've not read any of ICE's stuff if thats important
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Oh god Sorry is normal again I did not see that coming and I feel so bad for her  ...Actually she's taking this rather well vvv Good point! Mea culpa 
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Rarity posted:Oh god Sorry is normal again I did not see that coming and I feel so bad for her You should probably spoiler that!
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Jose: the first one is the first one, it's just accomplished person not the focus. The second, no. Rarity: how are you finding getting grips with the everything?
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Jose posted:Since I'm currently drawing a blank I've questions on 2 characters who appear in the main series and if they appeared at all in FoD or they're as yet unexplained or I just forgot which is all possible. Have Fisher Kel Tath's and Edgewalker's identities been revealed? I've not read any of ICE's stuff if thats important Fisher Kel Tath's background is covered in Assail, since it's an ICE book I guess I could spoil it? RE: above Fisher Kel Tath's background is he's part Jaghut from the Assail continent, he left quite a while ago but returns to Assail in the book. Can't remember why!
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Baudin posted:Fisher Kel Tath's background is covered in Assail, since it's an ICE book I guess I could spoil it? Because Spite kicked his rear end to the curb and he got all mopey and homesick.
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Jose posted:Since I'm currently drawing a blank I've questions on 2 characters who appear in the main series and if they appeared at all in FoD or they're as yet unexplained or I just forgot which is all possible. Have Fisher Kel Tath's and Edgewalker's identities been revealed? I've not read any of ICE's stuff if thats important And Edgewalker is some ancient king who tried to take over Kurald Emurlahn but he failed and it enslaved him. Basically a failed Shadowthrone.
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02-6611-0142-1 posted:And Edgewalker is some ancient king who tried to take over Kurald Emurlahn but he failed and it enslaved him. Basically a failed Shadowthrone. I don't think that's actually the case, do you have a source for it?
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