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CestMoi posted:When you think about it all western literature pre 1700 is just Bible fanfiction
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Smoking Crow posted:Poll: what is the name of the current trend in literary fiction? Post-Postmodernism? It's naivete in this troper's opinion and I think it is coming from the united states, garbage literature capitol of the world.
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Jan 18, 2015 06:52
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A lot of contemporary books have really naive protagonists whose world view is proven wrong or incomplete because it is largely black and white by some small event that they can not understand could happen to them. There is no reasoning behind why these bad things are happening to them like how 19th or 20th century protagonists would usually reason it out it just happens and they do not know why and so they mope and leak body fluids until they have some sort of revelation or come to peace with it and nothing ever really happens.
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Jan 18, 2015 06:57
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Mel Mudkiper posted:It is interesting that you list art, culture, and society as important elements to analyze but don't mention people themselves. There is a value to a writer focusing on the human experience in itself, and I would argue it's the most important element of good fiction. See, the problem is that the experience of the American human is worthless.
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Jan 18, 2015 15:17
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Stravinsky posted:A lot of contemporary books have really naive protagonists whose world view is proven wrong or incomplete because it is largely black and white by some small event that they can not understand could happen to them. There is no reasoning behind why these bad things are happening to them like how 19th or 20th century protagonists would usually reason it out it just happens and they do not know why and so they mope and leak body fluids until they have some sort of revelation or come to peace with it and nothing ever really happens. examples? I legitimately cannot think of anything off the top of my head that matches this description.
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Jan 18, 2015 15:32
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Stravinsky posted:A lot of contemporary books have really naive protagonists whose world view is proven wrong or incomplete because it is largely black and white by some small event that they can not understand could happen to them. There is no reasoning behind why these bad things are happening to them like how 19th or 20th century protagonists would usually reason it out it just happens and they do not know why and so they mope and leak body fluids until they have some sort of revelation or come to peace with it and nothing ever really happens.
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Jan 18, 2015 20:54
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Mel Mudkiper posted:examples? I legitimately cannot think of anything off the top of my head that matches this description. i guess john banville writes like that but he's not american
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Jan 18, 2015 21:00
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Everyone please stop talking about bad books, and talk about good books. Thank you.
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Jan 18, 2015 21:06
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No books are good.
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Jan 18, 2015 22:27
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That's a common misconception. Actually, there are some good books.
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Jan 18, 2015 23:11
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Mr. Squishy posted:No books are good. No, books are good.
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Jan 19, 2015 00:07
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CestMoi posted:Everyone please stop talking about bad books, and talk about good books. Thank you. I'm about halfway through The Tin Drum now and so far it's a very good book. Much funnier than I thought it would be. I'm sure I'm missing a lot since I'm reading it in English though.
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Jan 19, 2015 00:14
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should I go with Name of the Rose or History of the Siege of Lisbon next, real lit thread?
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Jan 19, 2015 16:46
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Read Siege of Lisbon, and then tell me if I should read it.
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Jan 19, 2015 16:55
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I've never read Eco, is he even worthwhile if I think Borges is garbage and am not a 16yo deeply impressed by a book mentioning Shah Babur?
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Jan 19, 2015 17:03
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ulvir posted:should I go with Name of the Rose or History of the Siege of Lisbon next, real lit thread? The answer is always Saramago and then more Saramago
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Jan 19, 2015 17:29
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Ras Het posted:I've never read Eco, is he even worthwhile if I think Borges is garbage and am not a 16yo deeply impressed by a book mentioning Shah Babur?
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Jan 19, 2015 18:09
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All this discussion of American literature has made me realize that every idea I've had for a story and never written is exactly "Man has epiphany about lonliness" Welp. Saved myself some time then.
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Jan 19, 2015 18:24
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UnoriginalMind posted:All this discussion of American literature has made me realize that every idea I've had for a story and never written is exactly "Man has epiphany about lonliness"
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Jan 19, 2015 18:31
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Someone rewrote Conrad's The Secret Sharer to be set in space and I should get around to checking it out one of these days.
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Jan 19, 2015 20:02
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Mr. Squishy posted:Someone rewrote Conrad's The Secret Sharer to be set in space and I should get around to checking it out one of these days. We should really just do Heart of Darkness in space. Apocalypse Now 2: The Revenge: In Space
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Jan 19, 2015 20:22
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I think that was Alien.
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Jan 19, 2015 20:28
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Mr. Squishy posted:I think that was Alien. No that was "I'm afraid of pregnancy: the movie"
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Jan 19, 2015 20:30
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Interstellar was To the Lighthouse In Spaaace
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Jan 19, 2015 20:41
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UnoriginalMind posted:All this discussion of American literature has made me realize that every idea I've had for a story and never written is exactly "Man has epiphany about lonliness" You think you would have known this already, UnoriginalMind.
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Jan 20, 2015 15:42
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I just got done reading Binary Star by Sarah Gerard and holy poo poo its really, really good. I picked it up because I liked the cover and it had reviews from writers I like, but I was kind of worried because the back cover synopsis makes it sound really hoaky. Its one of the best written books in a long time for me, just simply beautiful awesome prose.
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Jan 20, 2015 18:50
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mallamp posted:Make it "Spaceship has epiphany about loneliness" instead and you'll get goon support and ebook publishing deal within 2 weeks That's just Plus by Joseph McElroy
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Jan 21, 2015 03:53
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Does anyone know a word for vagina that has something to do with fortifications? i need to know, Tristram Shandy won't tell me what the word he is alluding to is.
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Jan 21, 2015 17:41
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Tristram Shandy is literally overflowing with weird euphemisms. The whole thing with his nose getting smashed while he's being delivered is one giant dick joke. I'm trying to remember something to do with fortifications - I'm guessing that's Uncle Toby? Off the top of my head, he says "hobby horse" a bunch, which was slang for prostitute. There's a joke about a "siege" being anal. You might be talking about the part where Toby and the corporal are talking about trenches, which is meant to be not-so-subtly talking about vaginas. I think there a few other places where he just casually mentions canals and mounds, too. In undergrad we read an essay about sexuality in Tristram Shandy, I'll see if I can find the source. I remember it arguing that Sterne actually uses indentation and the book's gutter in the trench scene to basically draw a crude vagina on the page, though I don't know how much of that argument was just reading too deeply into it.
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Jan 21, 2015 19:08
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Reminds me of an English professor who ~blew our minds~ when he said the greatest racial tension in Heart of Darkness could be said to be the black words on the white page.
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Jan 21, 2015 19:44
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Tristram Shandy is literally overflowing with weird euphemisms. The whole thing with his nose getting smashed while he's being delivered is one giant dick joke. Nah Uncle Toby says something about Tristrams mum not wanting a male midwife because she doesn't want anyone to see her **** at which point Tristram's dad snaps his pipe and ends the conversation and Tristram goes on this big thing about how not having the word said is more inherently funny than saying the word and he's trying to guess what word Toby might've said, if he hadn't been cut off. I think I read it wrong and he actually was guessing words like "backside" and "covered way" and decided covered way would be most likely, on account of Toby's dick being crushed by falling masonry.
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Jan 21, 2015 20:01
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Is there a single male character in that book whose genitals aren't mutilated?
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Jan 21, 2015 22:38
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CestMoi posted:Nah Uncle Toby says something about Tristrams mum not wanting a male midwife because she doesn't want anyone to see her **** at which point Tristram's dad snaps his pipe and ends the conversation and Tristram goes on this big thing about how not having the word said is more inherently funny than saying the word and he's trying to guess what word Toby might've said, if he hadn't been cut off. I think I read it wrong and he actually was guessing words like "backside" and "covered way" and decided covered way would be most likely, on account of Toby's dick being crushed by falling masonry. Hurr hurr, "cut off".
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Jan 22, 2015 05:35
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:In undergrad we read an essay about sexuality in Tristram Shandy, I'll see if I can find the source. I remember it arguing that Sterne actually uses indentation and the book's gutter in the trench scene to basically draw a crude vagina on the page, though I don't know how much of that argument was just reading too deeply into it. Sterne personally oversaw the publication of each volume, it's very likely he had control over how each page looked. It wouldn't surprise me to be honest. Dude was a horny priest.
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Jan 22, 2015 14:46
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Has someone talked about William Hope Hodgson yet? I really loved his book "The Night Land". It was the right kind of weird and is certainly a work of art: Real literature. It reminded me of the sometimes impenetrable writing of Mervyn Peake. (I gotta admit, I'm still stuck on the second book of his famous trilogy. I know, I know. It's shameful.)
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Jan 28, 2015 13:53
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Libluini posted:It reminded me of the sometimes impenetrable writing of Mervyn Peake. (I gotta admit, I'm still stuck on the second book of his famous trilogy. I know, I know. It's shameful.)
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Jan 28, 2015 20:29
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ulvir posted:should I go with Name of the Rose or History of the Siege of Lisbon next, real lit thread? I think Foucaults Pendulum is the best Eco book if you want to check him out.
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Jan 28, 2015 22:28
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Thomas Bernhard's books are supposed to be funny, right? Some guy I was talking to said he didn't like his stuff because it was too depressing. Then he looked at me really weirdly when I said I thought that's why they're funny. Who else is similar to Bernhard? I like books that are just one long insane rant with no punctuation.
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Jan 28, 2015 23:15
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anilEhilated posted:You're... not missing that much, the third book isn't that good. Yeah, that kind of happens if you want to write six books and plan for it, then die while writing the third one. Then someone else has to take what was written and some notes and somehow construct a book with a sensible ending out of it. Makes me wish Peake could have had someone to finish the series, like Robert Jordan had.
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Libluini posted:Yeah, that kind of happens if you want to write six books and plan for it, then die while writing the third one. Then someone else has to take what was written and some notes and somehow construct a book with a sensible ending out of it. Makes me wish Peake could have had someone to finish the series, like Robert Jordan had. Maeve Peake wrote another one which was published a year or so back, the title was Titus something.
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