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Joementum posted:Hoeven amendment says, "human activity contributes to climate change", failed 59-40. Are there seriously that many democrats that don't believe in climate change? I figured Manchin for sure, but who else? e: Or am I reading it wrong, 59 yeas to 40 nays?
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420DD Butts posted:Are there seriously that many democrats that don't believe in climate change? I figured Manchin for sure, but who else? 59 votes for saying it does cause climate change - 60 vote threshold. By my count, all of the Democrats except 2 (probably Manchin and Heitkamp maybe?) voted for both amendments.
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Jan 22, 2015 00:25
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Kalman posted:59 votes for saying it does cause climate change - 60 vote threshold. By my count, all of the Democrats voted for both amendments. Yeah, I realized that I may have been reading it wrongly after I posted that.
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Jan 22, 2015 00:26
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Yes, 59 yeas with a 60 vote threshold, because the Senate. Harry Reid is the absent member (he's having eye surgery next week), but the Hoeven amendment still would have failed with him there, one of those 15 Republicans would have flipped.
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Jan 22, 2015 00:35
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Joementum posted:Yes, 59 yeas with a 60 vote threshold, because the Senate. Harry Reid is the absent member (he's having eye surgery next week), but the Hoeven amendment still would have failed with him there, one of those 15 Republicans would have flipped. Yeah, pretty hard to see 59 as a coincidence.
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Jan 22, 2015 00:41
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Joementum posted:Yes, 59 yeas with a 60 vote threshold, because the Senate. Harry Reid is the absent member (he's having eye surgery next week), but the Hoeven amendment still would have failed with him there, one of those 15 Republicans would have flipped. Apparently Vitter flipped from yes to no to get to 59 already.
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Jan 22, 2015 00:43
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Kalman posted:Apparently Vitter flipped from yes to no to get to 59 already. John Hoeven also voted against it. "It" in this case being the Hoeven amendment.
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Jan 22, 2015 00:49
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Joementum posted:John Hoeven also voted against it. "It" in this case being the Hoeven amendment. At least they're ever ripe for comedy, that lot.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Man, the State of the Union must have really left an impression. I guess science can still be a bipartisan issokay what's the catch here?  you think they actually care about facts. I think the best explanation is that Republicans want Obama to veto the Keystone XL bill, and then single this out as some kind of hypocrisy. Which strikes me as an incredibly useless amount of politicking that, in two years, is going to be raised in primaries and Republicans will have to explain it to their crazy base, and no, I don't think Inhofe's explanation will fly with anyone. It's absurd on its face.EDIT: actually, it was probably voted on this way to prevent it from becoming a campaign issue during the elections in 2016. You can't bring up your opponent's denial of climate change, because they're on record as having voted that it's not a hoax. Now you could press on the 'manmade' part, but that's just more hard-to-communicate nuance. Ghost of Reagan Past fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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The Aardvark posted:Wait, what? Is there documentation of this or somewhere I can watch. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 
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So is he basically saying "yeah it's happening, but we're not the cause of it/we shouldn't do poo poo about it"?
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Joementum posted:¯\_(ツ)_/¯  Indeed, Congressman Douche, indeed.
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It is amazing to think that there are easily observable instances of humans completely altering local environments (marsh draining, smog, etc.) and yet it is somehow entirely fantastical that we could do the same to the atmosphere on a global scale. These people are living in a fairy world. Hell, didn't the affect of CFCs on the ozone layer show us that it really isn't that hard to completely alter how systems on Earth work?
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Jan 22, 2015 01:45
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420DD Butts posted:These people are living in a fairy world. It's interesting how some people get a pass when in any other context they'd be considered straight up delusional.
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Jan 22, 2015 01:46
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:So is he basically saying "yeah it's happening, but we're not the cause of it/we shouldn't do poo poo about it"? This assertion, of course, will not last through the next cold snap.
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Accretionist posted:It's interesting how some people get a pass when in any other context they'd be considered straight up delusional. I'm certain that if I ran around shouting about how gravity doesn't exist people would think I'm a loon, and yet despite almost every climate or atmospheric scientist agreeing that we are altering the Earth's atmosphere, it's accepted to deny reality. It's like the people who deny evolution despite the fact that every sane biologist would tell you it is a fact and has been proven to exist for decades now. It's a pretty amazing indictment of our country.
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Of course, if you mosey on over to his official YouTube channel you will find this video titled "Inhofe speaks on why climate change is a hoax, as defined by Whitehouse Amendment #29" wherein he surprisingly co-sponsored the bill and cites "biblical evidence" for climate change. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpBjM0qmIWU Followed by this one where he talks about the #Climategate email conspiracy and magazine covers and polar bears and such. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT9ZeEFDVyM So, you know, still preeeeeeetttttyyy hoaxy.
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420DD Butts posted:I'm certain that if I ran around shouting about how gravity doesn't exist people would think I'm a loon, and yet despite almost every climate or atmospheric scientist agreeing that we are altering the Earth's atmosphere, it's accepted to deny reality. It's like the people who deny evolution despite the fact that every sane biologist would tell you it is a fact and has been proven to exist for decades now.
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Jan 22, 2015 01:58
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420DD Butts posted:Hell, didn't the affect of CFCs on the ozone layer show us that it really isn't that hard to completely alter how systems on Earth work? Tetraethyl lead in gasoline finally stopped after a dude was loving pissed about all the atmospheric lead screwing with his experiments to date the Earth. Lead was known to be toxic since like Pliny the Elder.
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DemeaninDemon posted:to date the Earth See what happens when society gets perverted by gay marriage? It's just like all the non-profit groups said. You get weirdos like this trying to make love to Gaia or whatever. Makes me sick.
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Jan 22, 2015 02:10
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Joementum posted:Hoeven amendment says, "human activity contributes to climate change", failed 59-40. I thought the senate only needed 50 votes now? Wtf
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Jan 22, 2015 02:17
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effectual posted:I thought the senate only needed 50 votes now? Wtf The 50 vote threshold is only for executive and non-SCOTUS judicial appointments. Legislation still requires 60 votes for cloture. Technically, amendments only require 50 as well, but the leadership often reaches an agreement to hold them to a 60 vote standard because their votes come before the cloture vote so the assumption is that you don't want to agree to anything that can't pass cloture. The Senate, ladies and gents! (edit: And, by the way, I simplified the rules there and didn't mention how agreements on the motion to proceed affect the amendment process or timing.) Joementum fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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ErIog posted:See what happens when society gets perverted by gay marriage? It's just like all the non-profit groups said. You get weirdos like this trying to make love to Gaia or whatever. Makes me sick. You know how many holes the Earth has? Imagine the gang bang possibilities.
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Jan 22, 2015 02:25
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John Boehner, Shadow President http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/01/21/378874982/boehner-invites-israels-netanyahu-to-address-congress-on-iran I'm sure this will be a constructive addition to the debate
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Quote of the night, “But unlike my favorite coach in high school, who happened to be black, he has been more divisive — when I had a coach that brought us together as a team like never before. I thought this president would do that. He has divided more than united, so that’s been heartbreaking.” ~ Louie Gohmert, on President Obama.
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Joementum posted:The 50 vote threshold is only for executive and non-SCOTUS judicial appointments. Legislation still requires 60 votes for cloture. Technically, amendments only require 50 as well, but the leadership often reaches an agreement to hold them to a 60 vote standard because their votes come before the cloture vote so the assumption is that you don't want to agree to anything that can't pass cloture. Did they not change the threshold back to 60 when defining new rules?
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Badger of Basra posted:Did they not change the threshold back to 60 when defining new rules? They did not. There were a lot of Republican Senators who are perfectly happy with it at 50, especially if President Romney happens in 2016. It's something of a moot point right now anyway because they control the chamber so they can defeat any of Obama's nominees with 51 votes, or by just not bringing the nomination up for a vote in the first place.
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House Republicans just pulled their fetal pain bill because the whip count showed they didn't have the votes to pass it. It was scheduled for a vote tomorrow. The reason it was scheduled for a vote tomorrow is that's the date of the annual March for Life on the National Mall outside the Capitol. 
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Being on political mailing lists makes my inbox look kind of weird sometimes.
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loquacius posted:Being on political mailing lists makes my inbox look kind of weird sometimes.  The President appears to be stalking you.
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loquacius posted:Being on political mailing lists makes my inbox look kind of weird sometimes. You should sign up for the Tea Party mailing lists they are loving amazing imo. Politics without internal coherence, random paid advertisements for alzheimer's and erectile dysfunction snake oil quackery, subject lines that straight up sound like good things but are supposed to scare me. It's got it all. Leftist + especially Democratic mailing lists are just boring.
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Joementum posted:House Republicans just pulled their fetal pain bill because the whip count showed they didn't have the votes to pass it. It was scheduled for a vote tomorrow. Ohoho, this is gonna be good. indeed
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zoux posted:As someone who knows nothing about Seattle politics, are they right about Sawant? It's possible to be correct as hell ideologically and useless as a legislator. The Seattle city council only has 9 members. It's hard to be useless in a group that small so I don't think it's accurate to say she is. I strongly suspect the allegations of being "useless" come from people that have a fundamental misunderstanding of how the Seattle city council typically operates. Especially since the King County government is plenty powerful in its own right
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Joementum posted:House Republicans just pulled their fetal pain bill because the whip count showed they didn't have the votes to pass it. It was scheduled for a vote tomorrow. America's second favorite crosseyed dingbat changed her planned vote to a yea after some men came over to explain it to her on a level she could understand as a woman, without any fancy pie charts or graphs.
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zoux posted:OMG he's black too Swore his oath on a Quran annotated by Jefferson, which was pretty much a masterstroke.
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Joementum posted:House Republicans just pulled their fetal pain bill because the whip count showed they didn't have the votes to pass it. It was scheduled for a vote tomorrow. Oh god that could not come at a better time!
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Oh god that could not come at a better time! I can think of better times, such as in the middle of a blizzard, during a hailstorm, during a 100+°F heat wave, in a hurricane, or while the place is flooded with sharkodile infested waters ridden with cholera.
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DemeaninDemon posted:
pictured: Atlanta, Georgia, c. 2021
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So Boehner invited BiBi to speak at congress? Kinda creepy...
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CommieGIR posted:So Boehner invited BIb to speak at congress? Kinda creepy... And the awkwardness occurs when Pelosi invited Rami Hamdallah to speak before him Mr Ice Cream Glove fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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