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Why would anyone want president Biden? He's perfect as VP because he's funny and doesn't actually do anything, his actual policies are pretty awful.
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Jan 21, 2015 20:13
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MaxxBot posted:Why would anyone want president Biden? He's perfect as VP because he's funny and doesn't actually do anything, his actual policies are pretty awful. Keep little girls away from him: 
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Jan 21, 2015 20:17
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MaxxBot posted:Why would anyone want president Biden? He's perfect as VP because he's funny and doesn't actually do anything, his actual policies are pretty awful.
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Jan 21, 2015 20:21
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:What's Hilary got over him? Genuinely asking here. I view them as basically equals on policy except Biden is especially awful on criminal justice and the drug war. Hillary polls better and would probably do considerably better with women, for me it's basically a lesser of two evils scenario so I want the most likely winner.
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Jan 21, 2015 20:24
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:What's Hilary got over him? Genuinely asking here. Most of the donor class, probably all of the big name campaign people.
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Jan 21, 2015 20:42
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Biden has a lot of natural charisma too. Even if he doesn't win, having him in the primaries would be amazing.
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Jan 21, 2015 20:43
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Biden didn't exactly cover himself in glory regarding the Waco inquiry.
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Jan 21, 2015 21:03
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A3th3r posted:ahhh.. my nemesis MIGF appears once again. Clinton will have to try to overcome 'Liberal Fatigue' if she hopes to win the presidency. America has already had 8 years of a Democrat in the hot seat so it really depends on whether they want more of the same or if they 'Vote for Change.' Buddy, you must be from Canada, 'cause there ain't anywhere outside an ivy tower where 'middle class white' means 'liberal.' Nativity In Black posted:Biden has a lot of natural charisma too. He's already written one wildly successful SotU
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Jan 21, 2015 21:28
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Armani posted:Keep little girls away from him: She's literally the daughter of the Delaware senator who took over after (the Senator who took over after) Biden stopped being a Delaware senator. Also they're both from Delaware where everyone knows everyone else, there's like 10 people here if you round up enough.
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Jan 21, 2015 21:47
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:What's Hilary got over him? Genuinely asking here. She's not viewed as the distant second place contender. Thus, she has momentum and institutional support, as well as people taking her far more seriously than they do the Vice President. Perception is more important than reality and the general public perception of Biden is that he's a cartoonish gaffe machine, despite that not really holding any water during his time as VP. Even people who like the guy tend to think of him as Onion Biden, rather than as a serious statesman. That's not an easy thing to overcome. In terms of more tangible stuff, about all Biden can truly "beat" Clinton on is legislative tenure. Their positions aren't wildly different on most issues, so he can't really pitch himself as a meaningful alternative to Clinton in terms of policy goals. I would also argue that Secretary of State is a more significant role than VP, both in terms of visibility and actual responsibilities.
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Jan 21, 2015 21:51
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Nativity In Black posted:Biden has a lot of natural charisma too. He didn't do much in the 2008 primaries. Even Edwards had more traction than he did.
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Jan 21, 2015 21:52
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ElegantFugue posted:She's literally the daughter of the Delaware senator who took over after (the Senator who took over after) Biden stopped being a Delaware senator. So what? When I see how handsy Biden is over and over, I feel as though I should lay 50/50 odds that a Cosby shoe will drop. Well maybe not Cosby, but a long line of women who might feel that he basically molested them.
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Jan 21, 2015 21:54
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sullat posted:He didn't do much in the 2008 primaries. Even Edwards had more traction than he did. a sitting vice-president has more visibility and can round up more money (even with Hilary sitting on the main democratic donor streams) than a small-state Senator with two failed presidential runs already on his resume.
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Jan 21, 2015 21:55
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SedanChair posted:So what? When I see how handsy Biden is over and over, I feel as though I should lay 50/50 odds that a Cosby shoe will drop. Well maybe not Cosby, but a long line of women who might feel that he basically molested them. I wonder why they wouldn't have come out to do so at any point in the past. Biden's been running in primaries a couple times and has been a Senator for decades, it isn't like there wouldn't have been dumptrucks full of Scaifebux lined up down the block for anyone with a remotely plausible accusation.
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Jan 21, 2015 21:57
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Biden was running for vice-president in 2008.
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Jan 21, 2015 21:58
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SedanChair posted:So what? When I see how handsy Biden is over and over, I feel as though I should lay 50/50 odds that a Cosby shoe will drop. Well maybe not Cosby, but a long line of women who might feel that he basically molested them. Well, you're equally free to interpret it as either "She's probably used to this," or "She probably has to deal with this constantly." Based on his history, Cosby shoes seem sort of unlikely to me, though.
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Jan 21, 2015 22:00
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:What's Hilary got over him? Genuinely asking here. A lock on the female vote.
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Jan 21, 2015 22:25
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:What's Hilary got over him? Genuinely asking here. In the current polls, Hillary is up 50 points over Biden. That's going to hurt him a lot, especially when it comes to fundraising.
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Jan 21, 2015 22:57
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The more fun question is who would hillary pick as vp
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Jan 21, 2015 23:08
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:The more fun question is who would hillary pick as vp Michelle would fit the narrative best. Certainly not a male VP.
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Jan 21, 2015 23:15
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:The more fun question is who would hillary pick as vp I know it would never, ever happen but I kind of want her to pick Bill as her veep and then resign on her first day for no other reason than to piss off the right. It's a stupid dream but the head explosions from the right would be hilarious.
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Jan 21, 2015 23:33
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ToxicSlurpee posted:I know it would never, ever happen but I kind of want her to pick Bill as her veep and then resign on her first day for no other reason than to piss off the right. It's a stupid dream but the head explosions from the right would be hilarious. And rightly so, as he cannot legally hold either position.
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Jan 21, 2015 23:41
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ReidRansom posted:And rightly so, as he cannot legally hold either position. Yep, VP has to basically meet all criteria for the Presidency, so Bill's a no-go.
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Jan 21, 2015 23:45
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This will never happen, but a Clinton-Warren ticket would be amazing. Does Ernst have a chance at all? Her speech was average and forgettable, which is a good thing most of the time (unless your speech was amazing, which is rare). She seems like a better version of Palin or O'donnell.
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Jan 22, 2015 00:20
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ReidRansom posted:And rightly so, as he cannot legally hold either position. Pretty sure it's legal if he gets elected speaker of the house instead though.
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Jan 22, 2015 00:36
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FAUXTON posted:Yep, VP has to basically meet all criteria for the Presidency, so Bill's a no-go. The 22nd amendment only says a president can't get elected more than twice. Since a vice president doesn't become president through election it should still be legal.
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Jan 22, 2015 00:46
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A Bag of Milk posted:The 22nd amendment only says a president can't get elected more than twice. Since a vice president doesn't become president through election it should still be legal. The 12th Amendment specifies that a VP must be eligible for President.
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Jan 22, 2015 00:47
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My Imaginary GF posted:Buddy, you must be from Canada, 'cause there ain't anywhere outside an ivy tower where 'middle class white' means 'liberal.' All along the Pacific Coast, much of New England, arguably the mountain states and some of the upper mid-west. I am from Oregon and I still sometimes miss references to rich conservative white people. When I was growing up, the rich white people I knew were into yoga, Buddhism, environmentalism, and trying to outdo each other with multicultural experiences. I only much later realized that in less cool parts of the country, being rich and white meant you...ordered the expensive stuff at Olive Garden. Which isn't totally irrelevant in partisan discussion, because there is a big chunk of educated, affluent people along the Pacific Coast who could and would hold fundraisers and support someone like Elizabeth Warren.
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Jan 22, 2015 00:56
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computer parts posted:The 12th Amendment specifies that a VP must be eligible for President. Bill is eligible to be President (natural born, old enough etc.), just not eligible to stand for election to become President. Not that this is an even remotely plausible scenario or anything though.
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Jan 22, 2015 01:11
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sullat posted:He didn't do much in the 2008 primaries. Even Edwards had more traction than he did. John Edwards' '08 campaign imploded because he was caught in an affair with a female staffer.
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Jan 22, 2015 01:25
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Edwards dropped out of the race before the affair became public. His wife died in between the two events.
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Jan 22, 2015 01:57
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A3th3r posted:John Edwards' '08 campaign imploded because he was caught in an affair with a female staffer. And yet he still did better than Biden, is the issue. Someone else thought Biden was running for VP, I'm not convinced. He just got lucky Obama wanted someone pre-vetted. Edwards was running for VP by the time he conceded, but then, he was also going a little nuts according to Game Change.
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Jan 22, 2015 02:05
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Daduzi posted:Bill is eligible to be President (natural born, old enough etc.), just not eligible to stand for election to become President. Look at these RAW dorks over here.
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Jan 22, 2015 02:29
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SNAKES N CAKES posted:Michelle would fit the narrative best. Certainly not a male VP. Michelle might actually be the strategically optimal choice. Bill and Barack back in the White House with smiles bigger than Biden's. That's got to do a number on the Republican base since so many of them are refusing Obamacare out of spite and have no one to help with their rage strokes.
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Jan 22, 2015 03:39
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I sincerely wish that Joe Biden gets to become the first ever 3 term vice president, and after the first ever 4 term vice president.
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Jan 22, 2015 04:14
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A3th3r posted:John Edwards' '08 campaign imploded because he was caught in an affair with a female staffer. Didn't he drop out before then?
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Jan 22, 2015 04:16
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Gyges posted:Michelle might actually be the strategically optimal choice. Bill and Barack back in the White House with smiles bigger than Biden's. That's got to do a number on the Republican base since so many of them are refusing Obamacare out of spite and have no one to help with their rage strokes. I'm absolutely certain this won't happen, but I don't think I've ever wanted to be wrong so badly in my life.
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Jan 22, 2015 04:27
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Badger of Basra posted:Didn't he drop out before then? Yeah. Edwards campaign was already over, but supposedly (according to Game Change and probably bullshit) his top staff knew about the affair and promised to sabotage the campaign if he actually came close to winning the nomination. I highly doubt that, though.
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With the scrutiny we put candidates under combined with the digital trail that modern communications create the only real way to never have your affair discovered is to not gently caress around.
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